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David O'Day

David O'Day

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Lads! 0.2% of GDP as capital spending, tax cuts and deregulation will see us through the coronavirus depression!
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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New deal my arse

He could always take a real leap and legalise cannabis like FDR ended prohibition of alcohol as part of his new deal. Let’s face it, the war on drugs isn’t working, we need a fresh approach and this could be part of managing it and through legalisation we could take money from criminals hands and add it to the tax pot, pun intended.
Just for some scope here’s an article on the illegal cannabis trade and what it generates The UK Cannabis Report: legal cannabis market to reach £2.31bn by 2024
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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In another example of the rules don’t apply to us ie the Tories, Andrew Brigden calling for the Labour mayor of Leicester to resign after admitting that he broke the lockdown rules. This is the same Andrew Brigden who said Cummings must stay and it’s a witch-hunt.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
Have a look at that study they just did into the views of voters, party members and MPs. Tory MPs are absolutely batshit, like 18th century Dickens villains. They just aren’t cut out to recover the economy.
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It isn't just about economic recovery, there needs to a fundamental paradigm shift.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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fernandopartridge said:
It isn't just about economic recovery, there needs to a fundamental paradigm shift.
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Nah, paradigm shifts and revolutions are overrated.

WHAT DO WE WANT?

SMALL INCREMENTAL CHANGE!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

WHEN THE SOCIOECONOMIC INDICATORS SUGGEST!

But in all seriousness this is a once in a lifetime chance to make big changes to the country for the better and set us up for decades to come, just like post war. This lot just don’t have the ambition or the competence to do anything. Look at them blathering on about dualling the A1 like it was the NHS. Losers.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
Nah, paradigm shifts and revolutions are overrated.

WHAT DO WE WANT?

SMALL INCREMENTAL CHANGE!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

WHEN THE SOCIOECONOMIC INDICATORS SUGGEST!

But in all seriousness this is a once in a lifetime chance to make big changes to the country for the better and set us up for decades to come, just like post war. This lot just don’t have the ambition or the competence to do anything. Look at them blathering on about dualling the A1 like it was the NHS. Losers.
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They'll keep getting elected every 5 years though
 
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PVA

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shmmeee said:
The fact we can’t beat this shower is shameful. Heading in the right direction though. I think you’ll see some Tory voters break in Jan when it hits home Brexit has properly happened and no one can stop it.
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I know this isn't the Brexit thread, but this Twitter thread about some pig ignorant Leave voters who, it turns out, didn't know what they were voting for is relevant to your comment and is comedy gold

A thread written by @archer_rs
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
155 deaths today, 690 new infections.
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On cases, maybe maybe not:



Do we know if they’re reporting Pillar 1,2 or both in the briefings?

Also one more death than this time last week. Concerning.

Edit: yep looks like they’re only reporting around 20% of cases now. Of course they are.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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PVA said:
I know this isn't the Brexit thread, but this Twitter thread about some pig ignorant Leave voters who, it turns out, didn't know what they were voting for is relevant to your comment and is comedy gold

A thread written by @archer_rs
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I honestly don’t believe that’s real. Seems too much like a Remainer caricature. But then I used to think all the Brexit morons in comment sections were bots sooo
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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NorthernWisdom said:
What's the difference between pillar one and pillar two?
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  • Pillar 1: swab testing in Public Health England (PHE) labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers
  • Pillar 2: swab testing for the wider population, as set out in government guidance
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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shmmeee said:
Do we know if they’re reporting Pillar 1,2 or both in the briefings?
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Just reading about it. They've only been passing on full data on pillar 1 which is ridiculous as pillar 1 and 2 are exactly the same test, only difference is pillar 1 is carried out by the NHS and pillar 2 by private companies.

Of course no daily briefings anymore so they can't be questioned on this.
Central government could be sitting on data that masks the real number of coronavirus infections at a local level, a Financial Times investigation has revealed.

The number of new cases in the regions only includes pillar 1 data from hospitals and not pillar 2 from commercial labs and home tests.

It means that in places like Leicester, which has been forced back into lockdown this week, up to 90 per cent of new cases could have been missed by the local authorities, leading to a delayed response.

Local leaders have criticised the slow response from the Government and Public Health England (PHE) in sharing case and testing data for the city.

Leicester mayor Sir Peter Soulsby said he had been trying “for weeks” to access data on the level of testing in the city and was only given access last Thursday.

According to the most recent data, published on Monday, there have been 1,056 cases in Leicester since the outbreak began.

But Leicester City Council said that the latest figures it has received show there have been 3,216 Covid-19 cases confirmed in the city since the start of the pandemic.

A Public Health England official, who declined to be named, said non-publication was a ministerial decision.

“The Department for Health and Social Care need to make the decision to publish — and they should — but we can’t push them because we are their arms-length body.”

Kate Ardern, who leads health protection and emergency planning for Greater Manchester, said the information being sent to local authorities from tests conducted under pillar two lacked the granularity or timeliness needed to pre-empt an outbreak.

For the past two months she and colleagues had been making their concerns known to officials and ministers, she said.

“If I don’t know who is being tested, and getting positive tests, in the community because one of the major elements of the testing system isn’t currently sending me complete and reliable intelligence . . . it actually hampers our ability to get ahead of the curve on outbreak management,” said Ms Ardern.
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