Ricoh - Gut Feeling (1 Viewer)

shmmeee

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Old ‘Faggie fingers‘ Ann Lucas and Tim Fisher are to blame with the club not being at the Ricoh.

TBF neither of them can fix it now and it ain’t fixed. Joy and Waspswhatshisface now. Raking back in this stuff just bogs everyone down IMO. The last thing the club needs is to expand the cast of chancers villains and morons.
 

Liquid Gold

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I don’t agree with the argument that we should go back at the earliest opportunity. This should be our final time outside of the city and the terms of any return should mean that we’re secure for years to come, this can’t come around again in a few years time. I don’t want to be paying half of our revenues to a London rugby club forever, if we’re of such value to the arena then we should be recognised as such by receiving our revenues and then taking some of the risks away. A part ownership model would be sensible if they weren’t leveraged in over their heads on it. Wasps will not be able to repay those bonds in less than two years and any refinancing will be on punishing terms, that’s when it will all come to a head.
 

Liquid Gold

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There's plenty of clubs who share who don't have that issue, particularly in the US. Its an issue that can be resolved but relies on Wasps being reasonable.
Its easily done, not just in the US. Bristol City and Bears don’t have an issue. Wasps came in and wanted to stamp their authority on the place and in doing so pushed us out making it not our home. Moving out badge to put theirs in place, making it much bigger, wasps branding everywhere, wasps adverts, their badge being bigger, their signs behind kiosks, over charging us for hospitality, kicking us out of hospitality, moving our fixtures around, not allowing us our own stewards, kicking us out 2 hours after full time etc. etc. etc.

As Robins said we moved from a stadium we weren’t welcome at to one that we were welcome at. If Wasps want us back it also has to be Coventry City’s football stadium, not just Wasps’ rugby stadium that Coventry City play in.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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I dont care. It's my 40th today and I'm getting smashed #threadjack

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Happy 40th weeman.

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jto123

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I don’t agree with the argument that we should go back at the earliest opportunity. This should be our final time outside of the city and the terms of any return should mean that we’re secure for years to come, this can’t come around again in a few years time. I don’t want to be paying half of our revenues to a London rugby club forever, if we’re of such value to the arena then we should be recognised as such by receiving our revenues and then taking some of the risks away. A part ownership model would be sensible if they weren’t leveraged in over their heads on it. Wasps will not be able to repay those bonds in less than two years and any refinancing will be on punishing terms, that’s when it will all come to a head.

Another good point. We can't have a future and become a great team until we are guaranteed a stadium. No point agreeing to come back if it's only for three years. Even ten years would be relatively short term. I also don't fancy renting with Wasps who have shown no respect to the club that gave them their stadium and are the true lifeblood of the city.
 

mr_monkey

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There's plenty of clubs who share who don't have that issue, particularly in the US. Its an issue that can be resolved but relies on Wasps being reasonable.

I think you have hit the nail on the head there mate. Wasps have had it so easy with the stadium (including sisu making it easy by going to Northampton) that they thought we would just roll over and accept the indemnity clause because we had to be at the stadium.

Hopefully now time has passed and the people and landscape involved has changed things can be a bit more reasonable and move forward
 

ccfcchris

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What legals do you think they won't drop? There are no legals, as established and confirmed many, many times. Why do people keep falling for "the legals", a line that is only pushed by Wasps and the Council?
I should have said The EU complaint. Does that make you feel better love?
 

shepardo01

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Its easily done, not just in the US. Bristol City and Bears don’t have an issue. Wasps came in and wanted to stamp their authority on the place and in doing so pushed us out making it not our home. Moving out badge to put theirs in place, making it much bigger, wasps branding everywhere, wasps adverts, their badge being bigger, their signs behind kiosks, over charging us for hospitality, kicking us out of hospitality, moving our fixtures around, not allowing us our own stewards, kicking us out 2 hours after full time etc. etc. etc.

As Robins said we moved from a stadium we weren’t welcome at to one that we were welcome at. If Wasps want us back it also has to be Coventry City’s football stadium, not just Wasps’ rugby stadium that Coventry City play in.
As much as I hate Wasps, (read my posts!) In the tunnel/changing areas, on CCFC matchdays, there was a clever system that allowed CCFC to have branding (it was a massive team photo, crowd pictures and badges etc) all the way along both walls in the tunnel corridor. For anybody that has been down there, that is a pretty long couple of walls.
This was interchangeable and looked pretty damn good!
The home changing room (although they did kick us out of the original one purposely made for us, which was impressive!) also has murals of Jimmy Hill, killer lifting the FA Cup, crowds etc too....
I do hate seeing the digital signage in black gold on our old ricoh matchdays though... and have been surprised that nobody has launched a few stones at it...
 

chiefdave

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When we're playing at the Ricoh and ACL/Wasps goes bust mid-season how do we fulfill our fixtures? Do they leave us a key for the turnstiles or something?
If ACL went bust mid-season the administrators would be called in and they would need as much income as possible to pay creditors so we'd be fine. If ACL was then sold by the administrator our lease would remain in place.
 

cc84cov

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Are people forgetting if wasps did go bust the ground falls back into the hands of the council ?
 

Irish Sky Blue

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It basically comes down to this again:

If Sisu drop the legals Blah blah blah

like others have said starve them out. They’ll be gone by Christmas and the wicked Witch will begin her term with an elephant In the top. The size of a football stadium.
If you could guarantee that Wasps are going to go bust or are going to clear off back to London then fine. The fact is that you cannot know with any certainty how long they will carry on for. If it is a war of attrition it will be costing the City as well as hurting Wasps. What if they don't go bust by Christmas? What if they are still alive and kicking this time next year and we are still not back in Coventry? Do we 'starve them out' for another year? If a new stadium was in sight then maybe you could say leave the Ricoh to Wasps. We all know any new stadium is probably fantasy and even if it somehow starts to be a possibility it is going to be years in the planning and building.
Not playing in our own city is unsustainable for our club. We need to be home. St Andrews was only palatable as the team was so good.
I would think that if Wasps are going to go to the wall, having Ccfc at the Ricoh will only delay it happening. Why the need to deprive ourselves of income and the pleasure of watching our team at home for something that either will or will not happen anyway?
 

ccfcway

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a badge here and there, an ad etc.

doesn't matter, it still looks like a ccfc stadium. They wont eascape that until they fork out and remove the seats
 

clint van damme

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I hate wasps being in Cov, I hate that we are reliant on them having a change of heart in order for us to be back at the Ricoh but in my opinion we need to be back in Cov next sesaon so we can give MR and the team as much support as posdsible both financially and vocally (Covid permitting).
Who knows, with a bit of luck we might fluke promotion to the EPL and that would really be a game changer for the club.
 

TomRad85

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I hate wasps being in Cov, I hate that we are reliant on them having a change of heart in order for us to be back at the Ricoh but in my opinion we need to be back in Cov next sesaon so we can give MR and the team as much support as posdsible both financially and vocally (Covid permitting).
Who knows, with a bit of luck we might fluke promotion to the EPL and that would really be a game changer for the club.
I very much used to agree with you, always said I'd never go to St Andrews but I caved in the end, always thought I'd give anything just to be back in Coventry. Honestly though, the thought of going back and propping up Wasps' finances makes me sick to my stomach.

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clint van damme

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I very much used to agree with you, always said I'd never go to St Andrews but I caved in the end, always thought I'd give anything just to be back in Coventry. Honestly though, the thought of going back and propping up Wasps' finances makes me sick to my stomach.

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I'm not over the moon about it but I think it will be a bit soul destroying for Robins if we're still at St.Andrews with 8,000 home fans and 5 or 6,000 away supporters at our home games.
 

TomRad85

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I'm not over the moon about it but I think it will be a bit soul destroying for Robins if we're still at St.Andrews with 8,000 home fans and 5 or 6,000 away supporters at our home games.
You're probably right. My hatred of Wasps likely makes me irrational on the subject, but fuck me I hate Wasps.

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clint van damme

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You're probably right. My hatred of Wasps likely makes me irrational on the subject, but fuck me I hate Wasps.

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we're stuck between a rock and a hard place, neither option is great but they're the only two we've got at the moment.
 

Kingokings204

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we're stuck between a rock and a hard place, neither option is great but they're the only two we've got at the moment.

yes I agree. You could say building a new stadium in Coventry is option 3 but it’s simply not realistic and has never been realistic imo whilst obviously it would be a good option.

It’s either Ricoh and 20-30k gates especially for some games like villa for example and more money and bigger budget or its float in Brum waiting for wasps to go bust which isn’t anytime that soon.
 

CCFC88

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Its easily done, not just in the US. Bristol City and Bears don’t have an issue. Wasps came in and wanted to stamp their authority on the place and in doing so pushed us out making it not our home. Moving out badge to put theirs in place, making it much bigger, wasps branding everywhere, wasps adverts, their badge being bigger, their signs behind kiosks, over charging us for hospitality, kicking us out of hospitality, moving our fixtures around, not allowing us our own stewards, kicking us out 2 hours after full time etc. etc. etc.

As Robins said we moved from a stadium we weren’t welcome at to one that we were welcome at. If Wasps want us back it also has to be Coventry City’s football stadium, not just Wasps’ rugby stadium that Coventry City play in.
How does it work in Bristol, is it owned by City and the bears a tenants? What kind of crowds do the bears get?
 

CCFC88

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I think the tone of some of Robins' comments since promotion suggests he expects us back at the Ricoh. I wouldn't be surprised if he's been assured by JS on one of their afternoon tea dates at Coombe Abbey that they'll do all they can to have us back there.

Obviously it's not all in our court and requires the indemnity to be dropped on their side.

Does anybody see a scenario where we become joint owners?
 

Liquid Gold

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How does it work in Bristol, is it owned by City and the bears a tenants? What kind of crowds do the bears get?
As Cranfield says they are both owned by Steve Lansdown and he is majorly bank rolling them. They used to own the Memorial ground which is now Bristol Rovers' home. but they had to sell it when in difficulties, Lansdown bought them and moved them to Ashton Gate and they are quite aggressively market from there under the 'Bristol Sport' umbrella. They share retail shops, ticketing operations and you can even get a joint season ticket for the two of them, never an issue with fixture clashing as they work with the EFL and RFU to ensure they are on opposite weekends or a TV fixture. I once saw Bears play on a Friday night game when the weather was terrible, rained non stop but the pitch was perfect for City to play the next day.

Basically they have a sensible operation that would have been possible here if it wasn't for Wasps' inferiority complex that means they have to try and assert themselves as stadium owners and act like the primary team in the local community.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I would would rather be locked in a box all day being subjected to stinking farts than do a deal with SISU

One little change and you get the exact line of the council, which many have said is a ridiculous position to take and letting personal feelings get in the way of sound reasoning.

So if you're attitude is anything but deal with Wasps you also must appreciate the stance of the council re SISU, esp as SISU tried to bankrupt ACL.
 

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