Fans back in grounds in September (1 Viewer)

Magwitch

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Completely understand why people are keen to go to games again (I'm really missing away days), but I really can't see us been allowed in until spring next year. I think winter is when the second spike is likely to hit. I think it is also a good point that lower leagues simply won't survive without crowds though. Is there a possibility that next season won't be played at all? The only way it can be is if the premier league provides funds to league 1 and 2 as far as I am concerned.
If that happens leagues will just have to adapt and downsize and that includes wages.
 

Warwickhunt

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That's because we locked down too late, there was not track and trace system in place and we've failed to seal our borders. In short our governments response has been weak.
As for sunlight it does help a little....but my point was that that minimal impact disappears in the shorter days, so come autumn there is increased chance of a second spike.
I would have thought that if we had shite weather during lockdown it would have kept the idiots indoors and the transmission rate would have dropped sooner,
 

jto123

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If that happens leagues will just have to adapt and downsize and that includes wages.

I don't see why they should when they can just choose not to play the season which would make more financial sense. The only people that would be forcing them would be the premier league because they need promotion and relegation from the leagues below. Therefore they should surely support the leagues with some cash.
 

mr_monkey

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so in the last 38 days , there have been 13 covid deaths in cov
in the 43 previous days there were 206 deaths (almost 5 a day)
The last death was on june 4th (death free for 2 weeks)

we have virtually the same number of days in total before the end of September

People who died with covid not necessarily deaths from covid... not meaning to be a dick about it but it's a subtle difference that the press seem to ignore
 

hill83

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so in the last 38 days , there have been 13 covid deaths in cov
in the 43 previous days there were 206 deaths (almost 5 a day)
The last death was on june 4th (death free for 2 weeks)

we have virtually the same number of days in total before the end of September

That is precisely because of no large gatherings though.
 

Warwickhunt

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i recon a 1/3 capacity would give you enough room to be socially distant (it will be 1 meter soon) so using SA or RICOH they could open all gates and all of the seating areas and by allocating tickets to gate entrances and directing those people to seats which have been allocated to those gate entrances and managing the queue lines would work?
 

cc84cov

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A vaccine the ultimate answer ? Who in gods name is gonna wanna take a vaccine from this government? They’ve pretty much fucked up the whole way through lol
 

shmmeee

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People who died with covid not necessarily deaths from covid... not meaning to be a dick about it but it's a subtle difference that the press seem to ignore

It’s really not. The press ignore it because it’s silly bollocks. Excess deaths shows the impact of corona, what exactly is written as cause of death is irrelevant. Unless you’ve got a hypothesis that explains a concurrent spike in deaths for unrelated reasons.
 

Brylowes

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It’s really not. The press ignore it because it’s silly bollocks. Excess deaths shows the impact of corona, what exactly is written as cause of death is irrelevant. Unless you’ve got a hypothesis that explains a concurrent spike in deaths for unrelated reasons.
Exactly ‘you can’t easily explain 65000 deaths away.
 

Magwitch

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i recon a 1/3 capacity would give you enough room to be socially distant (it will be 1 meter soon) so using SA or RICOH they could open all gates and all of the seating areas and by allocating tickets to gate entrances and directing those people to seats which have been allocated to those gate entrances and managing the queue lines would work?
That could probably work, in theatres, cinemas, zoos, tennis, golf perhaps even horse racing but the trouble is football fans are a different animal old habits such as arriving the last minute, herd mentality and being basically an arse follows us all about unfortunately. We all know if 10% are allowed at certain clubs double or treble that will turn up, then what do authorities do let them in where they can corral them or wander the town.
 
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fatso

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September seems a bit too soon, I think it will be january at least.
And even then, no away fans.
I dread to think how many clubs might go to the wall before all this is over, unless the powers that be can come up with a way to support the lower leagues.

Getting promotion when we did, might just prove to be way more important than any of us could imagine.
 

Warwickhunt

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I know but what a
Exactly ‘you can’t easily explain 65000 deaths away.
But what about all the deaths that have occured because people would not or could not get to their Doctors or hospital as they were frightened of catching the virus, a lot of these people probably had heart problems,blood pressure problems, diabetes etc they could have survived and not become a statistiic if you ask me.
 

Magwitch

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I know but what a

But what about all the deaths that have occured because people would not or could not get to their Doctors or hospital as they were frightened of catching the virus, a lot of these people probably had heart problems,blood pressure problems, diabetes etc they could have survived and not become a statistiic if you ask me.
Well that is the unspoken about issue there is the official line of 45000 or so coronavirus deaths, but there are thousands of early deaths from other issues not dealt with in time because of coronavirus will probably never get near the correct full figure but I’d guess it’s similar to the one above... frightening
 

covcity4life

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Japan had 33 cases yesterday and no deaths, has strict immigration rules and a populace used to social distancing, with experience of SARS, and very compliant with government instructions. We are not Japan by any measure.
Fair comment but i still thibk fans will be back soon

Italy and Spain want fans back possibly for last few games of this season and thrybwere hit hard

Septemeber for sure
 

mr_monkey

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Exactly ‘you can’t easily explain 65000 deaths away.

I'm not trying to explain all the deaths away, just merely making a point that not all deaths in the numbers reported are from people dying directly of the virus but dying after testing positive for the virus. People died of heart attacks and brain aneurysms and been included in the figures because they tested positive for the virus.

I'm not dismissing the impact of it at all as I can't imagine what those poor people/families who have been affected are going though but to say that that many people have died directly of the virus just isn't true
 

You'll Never Beat McPake

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They will take Corona out the back, stab it to fuck, beat it and then go back to catching bullets in their teeth and drinking 90% proof Vodka like it's water.
Its actually Belarus not Serbia and I know that they are not happy with their President who basically told them to drink vodka and take saunas. They see this as "He doesn't care about us".
 

Brylowes

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Its actually Belarus not Serbia and I know that they are not happy with their President who basically told them to drink vodka and take saunas. They see this as "He doesn't care about us".
Well ours told us to ‘wash our hands’ and sing ‘happy birthday’ I know which I’d prefer.
 

Paxman II

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It could well be some sort of crowd percentage will be allowed back at the start of next season if there are no significant spikes. Following from that, the target would have to be the Xmas games for normalcy to return albeit with some new hygeine rules in place for a while. If we are back at work, taking holidays, flying and taking cruise holidays and god forbid still having mass protest gatherings, then why would we not be back watching football?
 

better days

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Mate, who are you!?
That made me laugh
I'm involved in a few different things including logistics - distributing stuff including for Oxford Uni, NHS and some others taking part in the clinical trials
Know a few people in football too which is how I get to hear things
I only post info that I know isn't going to cause problems or scupper deals etc
 

skybluesam66

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1999 2000 winter, there was just under 50000 excess deaths attributed to the bad flu epidemic of the year
2015 an extra 45000
so 65000 to 50000 /45000 is not a big step
I certainly dont remember any mass panic that in 99/00 - the only bug people were panicking about was the Millennium variety

so it needs some sort of perspective
 

Liquid Gold

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That made me laugh
I'm involved in a few different things including logistics - distributing stuff including for Oxford Uni, NHS and some others taking part in the clinical trials
Know a few people in football too which is how I get to hear things
I only post info that I know isn't going to cause problems or scupper deals etc
How would deals be scuppered by people posting on a football forum?
 

chiefdave

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1999 2000 winter, there was just under 50000 excess deaths attributed to the bad flu epidemic of the year
2015 an extra 45000
so 65000 to 50000 /45000 is not a big step
I certainly dont remember any mass panic that in 99/00 - the only bug people were panicking about was the Millennium variety

so it needs some sort of perspective
Be interesting to know what percentage of the population got the flu in 99/00 and 15
 

Magwitch

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1999 2000 winter, there was just under 50000 excess deaths attributed to the bad flu epidemic of the year
2015 an extra 45000
so 65000 to 50000 /45000 is not a big step
I certainly dont remember any mass panic that in 99/00 - the only bug people were panicking about was the Millennium variety

so it needs some sort of perspective
I think it’s how easy and quickly it spreads thats the big problem aswell as some complex medical problems it seems hits the older generation
 

RegTheDonk

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That made me laugh
I'm involved in a few different things including logistics - distributing stuff including for Oxford Uni, NHS and some others taking part in the clinical trials
Know a few people in football too which is how I get to hear things
I only post info that I know isn't going to cause problems or scupper deals etc
They seem to be making a big fuss about getting this Oxford drug into mass production. In your opinion, is this throwing money at the production in the hope that it's going to be OK, or do they honestly think this will be a game changer? Not trying to put you on the spot, just would be nice to have some input from a source who's not swayed by government/anti-government PR.

I guess if there is something really positive on the horizon, it may mean a return to crowds quicker than anticipated.
 

better days

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They seem to be making a big fuss about getting this Oxford drug into mass production. In your opinion, is this throwing money at the production in the hope that it's going to be OK, or do they honestly think this will be a game changer? Not trying to put you on the spot, just would be nice to have some input from a source who's not swayed by government/anti-government PR.

I guess if there is something really positive on the horizon, it may mean a return to crowds quicker than anticipated.
The professor heading it up at the start said she thought it had an 80% chance of success
It worked on macaques which are apparently the closest primates to us for this purpose
The fact that manufacturing has started is a very positive sign I'd say
Testing had to be extended to Brazil a few weeks back as the incidence of the virus has diminished so much here
Certainly not bad news
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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1999 2000 winter, there was just under 50000 excess deaths attributed to the bad flu epidemic of the year
2015 an extra 45000
so 65000 to 50000 /45000 is not a big step
I certainly dont remember any mass panic that in 99/00 - the only bug people were panicking about was the Millennium variety

so it needs some sort of perspective

Lower deaths while everyone was still acting in a normal manner. Going out, meeting up, close contact. We've got a higher death toll from this while not doing those things. Had we not the deaths would be significantly more with higher transmission and overwhelming of healthcare capacity (unfortunately had we acted sooner they could also have been much lower)
 

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