EFL to end season this week - City likely to be promoted (3 Viewers)

clint van damme said:

They'd essentially be voting to risk their play off place and play games they'll lose money playing to chance their arm getting an automatic place.
Are they going to do that?
Bearing in mind both Oxford and Boro have to play us away which is pretty much a guarantee of dropped points.

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Exactly mate.

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If we're talking about morals and voting for playing on clubs, in the playoffs in particular, have got it completely the wrong way round. Loyalty to 5 other clubs on a vote is far less important that saving the very existence of several clubs in the league. We all know how important a football club is to people and if those clubs die because of a vote it will lie solely at the door of those voting to continue. Fuck loyalty to a group created a week ago and try to preserve hugely important community institutions.

OffenhamSkyBlue said:

I think that's the first grammatical error i've seen @shmmeee make! So maybe it isn't??!

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I plead autocorrect m’lud

shmmeee said:

Imagine the drama if Joy or Tim we’re on Twitter.

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They could be on here for all we know.

Specs WT-R75 said:

West Ham & Bournemouth have both played 29 games. They have both played the exact same number of Home (14) and Away games (15). They both have the same number of points, and West Ham have a better goal difference. Under wPPG Bournemouth move above West Ham.

So what this means is that wPPG is not basing the results of the league based on the results of the 29 games, in actual fact it is deciding based on the predicted results of the remaining 9 games. That's a massive concept change from what PPG is trying to do.

Once you get into the prediction game we are going to have to start looking at which teams have top half teams to play away from home and so on. You open a massive can of worms with wPPG.

Edited to update home/away number.

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Any PPG calculation is a prediction until the end of the season. The point is that localised effects around who plays top half or on a Wednesday aren’t as reliable or significant as home advantage is to pretty much every sport ever. And while there may be quirks like you state, they’re no different to teams that have played fewer home games getting a punished right now.

The politics of it is another matter. But as there’s a qualitative difference between home and away games I feel it should be taken into account as it’s a simple fix.

People are saying on twitter its 51% between all 3 leagues not Individual leagues?

The gradual unveiling of Liquid Gold as Seppala is a nightmare few would recover from.

Evo1883 said:

People are saying on twitter its 51% between all 3 leagues not Individual leagues?

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I think thats a vote to agree to either of the two options and then the individual leagues vote for their preferred outcome - I think!!

clint van damme said:

I think thats a vote to agree to either of the two options and then the individual leagues vote for their preferred outcome - I think!!

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So the options will pass in all divisions easily I'd imagine, then individual leagues?

jto123 said:

It is from the EFL, but the Premier League could still get involved.

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The FA as the governing body of the sport in England .... and have a strained relationship with the PL at times have said there must be promotion & relegation...... if the PL try to ignore this .... the FA could sanction them

Colin Steins Smile said:

The FA as the governing body of the sport in England .... and have a strained relationship with the PL at times have said there must be promotion & relegation...... if the PL try to ignore this .... the FA could sanction them

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True, but as has been shown in previous times, it is the Premier League who hold the power, particularly with their bank balance.

Evo1883 said:

So the options will pass in all divisions easily I'd imagine, then individual leagues?

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I can't see what the alternative is. What would anyone have to gain from opposing it?
I could see the Championship then voting to continue their season though.

shmmeee said:

Any PPG calculation is a prediction until the end of the season. The point is that localised effects around who plays top half or on a Wednesday aren’t as reliable or significant as home advantage is to pretty much every sport ever. And while there may be quirks like you state, they’re no different to teams that have played fewer home games getting a punished right now.

The politics of it is another matter. But as there’s a qualitative difference between home and away games I feel it should be taken into account as it’s a simple fix.

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West Ham have the better home record, and more home games than away games left to play...

The DMaC is back on it.

Finally told to get on with playing?

AFCCOVENTRY said:

The DMaC is back on it.

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He kinda has a point. We are not voting stop because we can't afford it, we are voting stop because it is in our best interests. Oh well, I am sure he won't turn his nose up at the Godden promotion fee.

AFCCOVENTRY said:

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Finally told to get on with playing?

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Not sure he’s quite got the hang of how secret ballots work.

Even if the vote goes to “play on”, there’ll be a number of reasons why it’ll end up going to PPG.

In fact, I predict that a lot of clubs will vote to play on, bowing to fan and chairman pressure after the word “integrity” is banded around like a fake Rolex.

When the practical realities kick in, testing, a probable increase in Covid infection (and resultant media panic) as the general population goes mixing again, players refusing to play, some teams unable to play for financial reasons etc. the season will be called off and we will go to PPG.

Tell me I’m wrong.

Haha

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Specs WT-R75 said:

He kinda has a point. We are not voting stop because we can't afford it, we are voting stop because it is in our best interests. Oh well, I am sure he won't turn his nose up at the Godden promotion fee.

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For a long time I was adamant the season should be finished. It's now becoming increasingly clear that that is going to be very difficult.

Houchens Head said:

I think this lockdown is getting to me. I'm starting to miss Snowflake and his stupid posts!

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I think you need help, call 999 .

There is the issue of the second potential spike in infections. If the government is so confident of test, track and trace ..... why are all the nightingale hospitals being kept on standby despite being mostly empty?
The NHS is clearly keeping extra capacity for the autumn or when the lifting of restrictions cause another problem

Before League 1 can vote on how they want the season to end, across the EFL 36 teams or 51% (13 of which must be championship) have to vote for a new rule that basically protects EFL from potential legal action. Only when this majority across EFL is reached can the League 1 vote happen.

I like the people saying if you vote for PPG and are in play off places then you should not be allowed to play them. Like some sort of crazy blackmail.

Evo1883 said:

Adrian Durham said

The only good thing to come out of this is Coventry city will be promoted because they deserve it, Mark Robins and the fans deserve it

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The Champagne is at the ready.

lets buy Toney for £5m and sell him for £25m the season after, that will go down well

Colin Steins Smile said:

There is the issue of the second potential spike in infections. If the government is so confident of test, track and trace ..... why are all the nightingale hospitals being kept on standby despite being mostly empty?
The NHS is clearly keeping extra capacity for the autumn or when the lifting of restrictions cause another problem

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Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

Specs WT-R75 said:

He kinda has a point. We are not voting stop because we can't afford it, we are voting stop because it is in our best interests. Oh well, I am sure he won't turn his nose up at the Godden promotion fee.

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To be fair we don't know why the club are voting stop now. As much as it gives us promotion it also saves the club a lot of money. We all know finances were tight so if we suddenly needed £500K ti finish the season with virtually no revenue coming in it may have needed Sepalla to open the cheque book. Whose to say she hasn't instructed Boddy on how to vote?

Issue I have with DMac and the others who are complaining is they aren't putting forward any practical solution other than a vague play more games. How about giving a breakdown of the costs and how clubs will be able to fund it, explain what will happen with expired loans and players no longer under contract.

ccfcway said:

lets buy Toney for £5m and sell him for £25 the season after, that will go down well

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£25 - are you sure?

Somerset Sky Blue said:

£25 - are you sure?

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good point, you dont sell at the bottom of the cycle

AFCCOVENTRY said:

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Finally told to get on with playing?

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It’s not just football that’s driving him, take a look at some of the other things he posts and you’ll see he’s a one of the “it’s all overblown anyway” crew

Philosorapter said:

They could be on here for all we know.

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Which one was "Snowflake"

Sunderland only want to finish the season because their defence is so good at social distancing

pfceggchaser said:

Well we are voting to play on. I can’t see Oxford or Fleetwood deserting their principles either. That’s 9 certs imo.

It’ll come down to the Blackpool, Bristol Rovers and Lincoln imo. I think the vote to curtail will win. But not by as much as predicted.

Voting to end; You, Rotherham, Wycombe, Burton, Shrewsbury, Accrington, MK Dons, Rochdale, Wimbledon, Bolton and Southend. So that’s definitely 11.

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I’m sure fleetwood said they probably vote to end if there was a play off place.

Colin Steins Smile said:

There is the issue of the second potential spike in infections. If the government is so confident of test, track and trace ..... why are all the nightingale hospitals being kept on standby despite being mostly empty?
The NHS is clearly keeping extra capacity for the autumn or when the lifting of restrictions cause another problem

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I heard a while back that the idea is that once the covid numbers come right down existing hospitals will start to catch up on all the other operations etc and covid 19 patients will all go to the Nightingale sites