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chiefdave

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As would I because if there is proof that children’s transmission rates are vastly lower than adults then I have much less opposition to coming in.
Would be interesting to see the evidence, tried googling it but the only thing that came up was the Royal College of Paediatricians saying media reports had been incorrectly suggested that children cannot transmit COVID-19 based on their research.
Within the summary, the authors refer to some findings produced by the China/World Health Organisation (WHO) joint commission: “Notably the China/WHO joint commission could not recall episodes during contact tracing where transmission occurred from a child to an adult”.

News outlets reported this finding, out of context, as the overall result of the review.

Whilst the review did not document any specific cases where a child to adult transmission occurred, it described several studies that offer contradictory evidence on the potential for transmission.

The review did not conclude that adults cannot catch the virus from children. It stated (at the time that the news articles were written) that “the role of children in passing the disease to others is unknown, in particular given large numbers of asymptomatic cases”.

Dr Alasdair Munro, one of the authors of the review, told us that “the quote is taken from the China/WHO joint commission and ignores all the other subsequent evidence which is completely consistent with child to adult transmission, albeit seemingly less than adult to adult transmission.”

The Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health have issued a statement to stress that the news reports “have incorrectly suggested that children cannot transmit COVID-19. This is not the RCPCH position, nor is it based on evidence.”
 

Sick Boy

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As I found out. I b b honesty I have been on one emirates long haul to Dubai economy and that wasn’t too bad but then again their business class is out of this world
I found Emirates to be terrible in economy. Singapore Airlines’ economy is actually not bad at all, went in business with them before as well and that was brilliant.
 

David O'Day

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OK what am I missing because I've read the article and this seems a fairly key line "All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected".
It looks like there is a possibility while it doesn't stop the momley from getting the virus the effects are far less.

If this is true in humans it ould help as FP says as a stop gap in that you could give it to people and while they still got the virus they would be far less ill.

They will need to tighten this up on the human trials and see if possible what happens with people with serious health conditions as it will be stupid if we give it to everyone and they end up killing their older relatives



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Brighton Sky Blue

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It looks like there is a possibility while it doesn't stop the momley from getting the virus the effects are far less.

If this is true in humans it ould help as FP says as a stop gap in that you could give it to people and while they still got the virus they would be far less ill.

They will need to tighten this up on the human trials and see if possible what happens with people with serious health conditions as it will be stupid if we give it to everyone and they end up killing their older relatives



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To be fair to Dom he had to get samples from monkey rectums as part of the study so I get why he doesn’t want the work dismissed
 

chiefdave

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It looks like there is a possibility while it doesn't stop the momley from getting the virus the effects are far less.

If this is true in humans it ould help as FP says as a stop gap in that you could give it to people and while they still got the virus they would be far less ill.

They will need to tighten this up on the human trials and see if possible what happens with people with serious health conditions as it will be stupid if we give it to everyone and they end up killing their older relatives
Also seems to suggest that it doesn't last very long so a key will be is it as effective when given again. That would also impact the ability to immunise everyone. Its a huge task to immunise millions in the first place let alone if you have to repeat it every few weeks.
 

David O'Day

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Also seems to suggest that it doesn't last very long so a key will be is it as effective when given again. That would also impact the ability to immunise everyone. Its a huge task to immunise millions in the first place let alone if you have to repeat it every few weeks.
Yep they need to see how long it works for but if it lasts say 6 months it would worth it but there is a long ling way to go

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Grendel

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Really because I saw the same thing and it seemed to be that not enough evidence existed to make that conclusion definitively


I found Emirates to be terrible in economy. Singapore Airlines’ economy is actually not bad at all, went in business with them before as well and that was brilliant.

Try ASEAN airlines - what a dire experience. If in Africa avoid Mango airlines what a nightmare
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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US Senator Richard Burr being investigated by the FBI for mass selling stocks off the back of being given classified information that Covid would tank the market in late January. He was one of 3 (out of 100) senators who voted against what he did being a crime.
 

BodicoteSkyBlue

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I’m afraid I won’t be rushing for a vaccine, that’s been knocked up inside a few months. If it hasn’t been tested on puppies & monkeys in cages for several years then it’s not for me just yet.
 

skybluetony176

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I’m afraid I won’t be rushing for a vaccine, that’s been knocked up inside a few months. If it hasn’t been tested on puppies & monkeys in cages for several years then it’s not for me just yet.
Don’t worry. I caught the backend of an interview with a spokesperson from the BMA this morning on the radio and the gist of it was that the government is blowing smoke up everyones arse. Even if they can get results in the lab (which as yet they can’t) there’s a rigorous testing regime so no way will it be available when government officials were trying to suggest yesterday it would be. It’s headline politics and cruel because it’s selling false hope.
 

NorthernWisdom

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Don’t worry. I caught the backend of an interview with a spokesperson from the BMA this morning on the radio and the gist of it was that the government is blowing smoke up everyones arse. Even if they can get results in the lab (which as yet they can’t) there’s a rigorous testing regime so no way will it be available when government officials were trying to suggest yesterday it would be. It’s headline politics and cruel because it’s selling false hope.
Frankly, I'd be more reassured by that, then by the government telling me it can be sorted in an unfeasibly short space of time. I can accept risk, and the need to manage risk, but I want realism and competence in managing that risk thankyou very much.
 

skybluetony176

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Yep safety trials are safety testing

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There is a section on the NHS website for clinical trials and basically there’s 4 stages to get through, the first being to see if it has an adverse reaction on humans. They start with a tiny dosage of the drug tested and build it up over a period of time while monitoring for adverse reactions, that’s all that will maybe be starting in June/July and that stage alone can take months depending on results. Once again the government are selling snake oil.
 

BodicoteSkyBlue

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Didn’t see yesterday’s “briefing”. Did they suggest a date for a vaccine? I wouldn’t be surprised with this lot if Matt Hancock has his kids (assuming he has any) vaccinated live on TV, bit like when Gummer fed his kids a burger during the mad cow crisis!
 

skybluetony176

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Didn’t see yesterday’s “briefing”. Did they suggest a date for a vaccine? I wouldn’t be surprised with this lot if Matt Hancock has his kids (assuming he has any) vaccinated live on TV, bit like when Gummer fed his kids a burger during the mad cow crisis!
Don’t think it was at the briefing, think it was a number of ministers in TV interviews throughout the day.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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There is a section on the NHS website for clinical trials and basically there’s 4 stages to get through, the first being to see if it has an adverse reaction on humans. They start with a tiny dosage of the drug tested and build it up over a period of time while monitoring for adverse reactions, that’s all that will maybe be starting in June/July and that stage alone can take months depending on results. Once again the government are selling snake oil.

Pretty disheartening to see tens of millions chucked on punts at anything that seems vaguely credible
 

wingy

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There were claims within weeks from certain countries that their scientists had it nailed apart from testing regimen.
The first was China, the second Isreal .
One for the conspiracy theorists?
China had been developing a multi variety Corona vaccine as late as June.

Edit:- there was a Sars 1 type vaccine that got 80% there but failed to get the investment.
 
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