A message to Thorn Haters... (1 Viewer)

Imagine you are a builder, employed to build a house.
However, your superiors take away the bricks to build the house, leaving you with an impossible task.
The people paying for you to build the house are whine, complain and blame you, but it is completely out of your hands that you cannot do the job.

Thorn might not be the best manager in the world, but we wouldn't know. Save your judgements for the day he is given the correct tools to do the job (if that day ever comes)

In the meantime, get behind the man because he is doing his best and quite frankly I think just being in the mix to stay up towards the end of the season was an achievement.

Get behind Andy Thorn and blame the people who are responsible. These people are not just sisu, but the entire management of the club for the last 10 years.

SISU OUT. PUSB.
 

BrumSkyBlue

New Member
Well Said. I'm not saying he's the next Fergy, but we could do a LOT worse than Thorn - at the very least he's got an eye for a player.

What self respecting manager in their right mind would come to us in our current predicament?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
What self respecting manager in their right mind would come to us in our current predicament?

they wouldn't but he'll stay whatever happens. He worships the sisu dollar.
 
Exactly, he is almost certainly not the next fergy, but you never know until he's given the right tools.
To criticise him is simply unfair.

That's the other thing, if we got rid of Thorn like some people do, who would we get that is more qualified?
Like you say, no self respecting/ reputable / ambitious manager would come to us at the moment, regardless of us being a 'big club' for the league.
 
they wouldn't but he'll stay whatever happens. He worships the sisu dollar.

And you would quit a well paid job on principle? Thorn is like the rest of us. A scout is hardly the best paid job in football, he has to support a family. Not all people involved in football live on another planet.
 

SuperCov

New Member
I like AT, I feel he did a good job with the circumstances. If he has funds (to pay wage packets) to get in faces (whether they be loans or free transfers) and I'm not talking one or two, more like six or seven. Then I'd give him at least til Christmas to see where we are at.

Isn't AT taking his coaching badges?

We dropped 28 points from winning postions last year and only gained eight from losing ones. So was this down to the inexperience of the team or was it Thorn's management?
 

dazzled2u

New Member
His hands will still be tied next season as his budget is zero as it stands we are only looking at free transfers and if the transfer embargo isn't lifted soon the best of the free options will have been picked up by other clubs.

As we currenly stand it will be the youth team next season as we all know that most of the senior defenders will be gone.
 
I like AT, I feel he did a good job with the circumstances. If he has funds (to pay wage packets) to get in faces (whether they be loans or free transfers) and I'm not talking one or two, more like six or seven. Then I'd give him at least til Christmas to see where we are at.

Isn't AT taking his coaching badges?


We dropped 28 points from winning postions last year and only gained eight from losing ones. So was this down to the inexperience of the team or was it Thorn's management?

I still can't believe that AT escaped with plaudits ringing in his ears despite the worst record in CCFC history and relegation to the Third Division.

All previous Championship managers bar a couple were hounded out by fans and club alike with anti manager posters held aloft to hasten their departure.

Yes we all know that AT was restricted in the transfer market due to financial restrictions but he must take a fair bit of the blame for the demise with his team selection, style of play, substitute strategy and his weakness in assessing and implementing a game
saving tactical change.

I personally like AT but even the most loyal AT fan must agree with some of the above observations.

PUSB
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
And you would quit a well paid job on principle? Thorn is like the rest of us. A scout is hardly the best paid job in football, he has to support a family. Not all people involved in football live on another planet.

So no self respecting manager would come and we are now a registered charity supporting a scout to do a managers job.
 

kingharvest

New Member
Thorn made mistakes, but you could see the learning going on - he's learnt from a lot of these mistakes.

No-one knows this squad of players better than Thorn, and there is no guarantee that a new manager coming in would be able to adapt to the limitations he's faced with.

Thorn has accepted these, he hasn't really bitched and moaned that much - until the end of the season - and ultimately, i think above the money or anything else, and in a way, just like the fans - the reason he's stayed is because he has a genuine love for the club. Just like the fans, i think he has shown incredible loyalty based on the fact that this club was here before SISU and will be here after SISU (well, maybe!!!).

I think he has the right to be given a chance to get us back up.

Or maybe, at a club that is as unstable as any out there, we should recruit a different manager try to make things even more unstable.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
AT is who we have rightly or wrongly. He has the "tools" he has and there are other managers financially handicapped. Bet there isnt one manager who would say he has all the tools he needs but that shouldnt disguise or excuse the lack of numbers & quality in our squad.

I do wish we would get away from AT haters or AT lovers ....... most people are neither......... most people know who is to blame for getting the finances so wrong and in that way all but disabling our team.......... BUT. Folk are entitled to their own opinion of his performance, entitled to judge that performance if they see fit ....... each person is entitled to their opinion and god forbid those opinions are ever all the same or all positive.

Saying you cannot judge him until he gets the money is neither accurate or true. Of course you can if you choose to but it is a better judgement if you take all factors into account when doing so. Please don't label those with a different opinion on AT .... i agree with the sentiment of support the team (which includes AT ) but we are able to marry the questioning of AT with support of the team without incongruity...... it isnt personal for most ... its just an opinion no less valid than anyone elses

My support is for the team ........... individuals are part of that .......... but players and managers come and go.

Would AT be my choice .......... nope .......... but he is what we have and it isnt going to change. Will I question what he does or how ..... yep .......... but in doing so I might learn from it and sometimes I might be right and he gets it wrong (he is human)...... trouble is my opinion costs nothing but his decision can cost points money position even jobs.

just my opinion
 
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AT is who we have rightly or wrongly. He has the "tools" he has and there are other managers financially handicapped. Bet there isnt one manager who would say he has all the tools he needs but that shouldnt disguise or excuse the lack of numbers & quality in our squad.

Fantastic post, and exactly the message I tried to get accross with this post.
I don't love Thorn, but am merely saying that we have no evidence to hate him.
 

ICHAN

Well-Known Member
Im with OSB on this regarding labeling posters who have differant views on the manager, I doubt anyone hates him personally, as I guess non know him personally.
My view is that he should not have been given the job, he was a scout who was thrown in at the deep end, however on him taking the job he knew full well what the constraints were, he had been around the club long enough to know all about sisu and the way they work.
However on taking the job I am afraid as far as I am concerned the points return and the dreadful wins up until the little spell up towards the end of the season was just not acceptable, and any other manager would have/has been hounded out by the fans with this kind of return.
As a team/results business nice bloke does not come into it, trying his best doesn't come into it, we got relegated with a team that did prove itself it could fight for a result when needed towards the end of the season, but unfortunatly it was to late.
Do I blame AT yes as well as I blame SISU and the players (most) for lack of commitment and fighting spirit that should be shown when they are representing the people who pay their money to be entertained.

As for no-one could do better how can this be answered as we do not know because we have a manager in place.
Who would want the job? how do we know because we have a manager in place.
But to say no-one to these questions is in my opinion ridiculous.

I agree stability is needed but why suddenly want that stability on the manager merry-go-round with a scout as manager when other managers have been sacked for far less?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
We exhausted this debate to death all season long with circular arguments and no shift in opinions. The conclusion is always the same-nobody 'hates' Thorn. Everyone accepts that SISU are clearly the most culpable for this debacle, but it is also mistaken to say that he takes zero responsibility either. He has made mistakes himself and set out the team in an overly negative way, especially on the road.
On balance, most would say that SISU carry most of the blame, with the rest divided between Thorn and the more senior players who didn't step up. There is no vendetta against AT, just acknowledgement of his shortcomings as a manager. Can we just let it lie?
 

Sick Boy

Well-Known Member
I don't understand why some people think others 'hate' Thorn, just because they think he isn't up to the job, doesn't mean that people hate him.

Unless you are a 14 year old plastic yank, using the word 'haters' doesn't make any sense.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
Forget the semantics: this thread was started in response to someone else starting a thread saying Thorn had to go! I'm happy to let it lie-I want to let it lie. But some people just won't let it go, and I can't help but post the counterviewpoint. Otherwise, as usual, there will be the inevitable post by somebody on here saying "what I don't get is, if these people love Thorn so much, how come they never say why he's a good manager.."...zzzzzzzz
 
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/17266-Thorn-is-a-MAJOR-problem!

This bloke clearly has an issue with Thorn.


Also, the idea of a forum is to have constructive chat and arguments. Not to make snide remarks to someone who is making a logical point. Evidently there are people who dislike Thorn, hence the reason i posted. This post was not about the word 'haters' . It was merely a term used to describe people who dislike Thorn and was designed to stop whining and make people say sense.

just because they think he isn't up to the job,
my point is exactly that. How do we know whether he's up to the job or not? Read the post before you comment.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
All could be just a misunderstanding due to a spelling mistake.

I've got a lovely Thorn hat,and sure that there are many more of us out there.

Nice that somebody is trying to reach out to us poor Thorn Hatters, who get abused on a daily basis for our lifestyle choices.

I'm a Thorn Hatter, and i'm proud!!
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
Based on what?

Probably that he plays pretty football...and yet we only won nine games and got relegated.

Sorry apologies to all, I have hated everyone else connected with the club, and today its Thorns turn.

If people disagree, so be it, I dont fekkin care today, I hate them all and am hoping for the big win on the Euro millions to buy the club and kick Seppallas finnish arse all the way out of the building.

Sorry need to stop typing and to beathe.........................calm.
 

olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
Lets not forget, AT's season was only slightly worse than other "experienced" managers we have had, albeit it did get us relegated....
 

cheever

New Member
Get behind Andy Thorn and blame the people who are responsible. These people are not just sisu, but the entire management of the club for the last 10 years.

SISU OUT. PUSB.

But how can we protest against BR et al....?

To state that AT is blameless is utter madness....we have got behind him all season, we've followed and supported the team, what else can we do???

However, it is pre-season and the correct time to discuss whether this man can take us forward through his tactical nous and motivational ability.

What have you seen in those two areas which suggests that supporting AT will achieve any form of success in L1.

I wager that he will lead us to mid-table obscruity at the very best....in the THIRD TIER OF ENGLISH FOOTBALL, which is NOT awash with money or massive clubs we can't compete against....:facepalm:
 

Sumo the Micky Quinn

Well-Known Member
As for someone who dosen't live in the UK, In a tourist location I come across fans from all over the UK.

A big majority 'fans outside of the championship' don't even know what league we are in especially fans of Prem clubs, hence the question 'Is that a Man City top?' then look closly 'Oh it's Coventry - What league are you in now?'

Even fans of championship teams question why are we bottom of the league.

What I'm saying is that alot of fans outside Coventry haven't a clue whats going on at our club, then when I explain usual responce is 'A bit like Blackburn then'.

So many people say NO ONE would apply for the position of City Manager.

I don't think we will be short of candidates if the position arises, but IF the candidates looked more deeply into the club financies they may think twice, wasn't Di Matteo linked with the position last year but his down fall possibly was he lived in the area so maybe brought the Telegraph and thought 'Not worth it'.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...n-on-taking-coventry-city-job-92746-28347010/

Addy Bothroyd said he didn't look into any details about Coventry before applying for the job, I belive Peter Reid said the same, He was atracted to Coventry as it was a big club but didn't look into any thing else, was expecting more of a bigger budget.

Do any managers actually look into the club they are applying for Or is it more of a quick look through their A to Z or satnav, or the back pages of the nationals for a league table as to remind them where Coventry is. I'm out of work I need a job, any job as long as i'm not stacking shelves at Tesco.

Watching the Southampton game on the TV, no mention of our problems and why we finished bottom, So is it any wonder why people outside of Coventry know anything about City or even heard of SISU.
 
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SuperCov

New Member
I still can't believe that AT escaped with plaudits ringing in his ears despite the worst record in CCFC history and relegation to the Third Division.

All previous Championship managers bar a couple were hounded out by fans and club alike with anti manager posters held aloft to hasten their departure.

Yes we all know that AT was restricted in the transfer market due to financial restrictions but he must take a fair bit of the blame for the demise with his team selection, style of play, substitute strategy and his weakness in assessing and implementing a game
saving tactical change.

I personally like AT but even the most loyal AT fan must agree with some of the above observations.

PUSB

I just don't think he's had an easy ride and to do what he did was still a good job, we were one of the favourites to get relegated last year and to be within a chance of survival from where we were at Christmas was quite remarkable in my opinion.

I agree that he made errors in his subtitutions, style of play, team selection etc but it was the fact that we dropped so many points is why I'd stick with him (til Christmas at least). I know that sounds odd but if, and it's a big if, he learns from this and becomes a better manager we'd do alright. We only needed eight or nine points to stay up last season, and with all that went on, on and off the pitch it wasn't too bad. Maybe if he'd have been slighty more experienced we'd have survived?

If next season he's still making the same mistakes, then it's easy he'd have to go.
 

Macca

Well-Known Member
I don t think I can cope with another season of poor old thorn. He gets into bed with sisu, he takes the consequences
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
That's very childish, even for you.

It's his only currency. What's childish and laughable is people like you who are taken in by him. He is only interest in his SISU paycheck. He is as guilty as all other SISU employees for our problems. Get rid of him and the cracks in the SISU empire will start to show.

Keep him if you want to keep SISU.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
I don't think he was given anything like the tools to do the job and as a raw manager with raw kids made plenty of mistakes. However for balance, I think the exact same situation with Boothroyd in charge and although it wouldn't have been pretty, we would have been organised and I don't think we would have been relegated. Is that a reason to get rid of him now? I'm still undecided tbh.
 

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