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David O'Day

David O'Day

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TomRad85 said:
Your proof that most people breaking rules and heading off to their 2nd homes are Tories. Where is it? Or is it ok for you to make baseless blanket statements?

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Oh tom, 2nd home ownership and voting intentions kid. Google it

Now prove there what you claim or give your mum her laptop back
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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shmmeee said:
Famed virologist Amir Khan?
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And there was someone else famous too but the name escape me, hang on,..

Here we go- confirmed 'Coronavirus = 5G = Mind control = Kill the elderly':

Amir Khan
Amanda Holden
Calum Best
Woody Harrelson
Jason Gardiner (Dancing on Ice apparently, had to google him)
Lee Ryan
 
TomRad85

TomRad85

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David O'Day said:
Oh tom, 2nd home ownership and voting intentions kid. Google it

Now prove there what you claim or give your mum her laptop back
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This is almost as tedious as the time you told me Lookman was better than Maddison.

We both know she's not Tory, David so let's leave it shall we?

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Brylowes

Brylowes

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shmmeee said:
Just saw what Bill Gates is doing, basically throwing billions away to knock a few months off time to market for the vaccine.

The man puts other billionaires to shame.
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The very idea of individuals having billions while others are starving goes against everything I believe in........and I honestly believe he feels the same.
 
tisza

tisza

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Ring Of Steel said:
And there was someone else famous too but the name escape me, hang on,..

Here we go- confirmed 'Coronavirus = 5G = Mind control = Kill the elderly':

Amir Khan
Amanda Holden
Calum Best
Woody Harrelson
Jason Gardiner (Dancing on Ice apparently, had to google him)
Lee Ryan
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regular brains trust there then :)
 
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CCFCSteve

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Ring Of Steel said:
I don't know why Hancock just doesn't say something like "herd immunity was part of our original plan but we had to react to what was happening"- thats reasonable enough, but all the bullshit just further takes away the guy's credibility.
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But as we know (as I’ve attached this previously) it wasn’t the governments plan to ‘take it on the chin’

Here is the transcript of what Boris Johnson said on This Morning about the new coronavirus

This was from 5 March, 10-14 days prior to implementation of social distancing measures ie saying they would take measures to flatten the peak rather that just let everyone get it.

From my understanding, what most commentators appear to be missing (or ignoring) is that the herd immunity theory is still there as a potential underlying longer term benefit of flattening the curve ie you try to minimise the pressure on NHS via lockdowns (which will have to continue until a vaccine is found or antibody tests potentially allow some kind of immunity certificate), gradually more of the population will get it, hopefully without us breaching NHS capacity (although this is unlikely in the next week or two), so with time you have a chance of building herd immunity.

obviously that is very much a last resort as we hope the vaccine will be with us before then or the virus just disappears (the latter being very unlikely unfortunately)

ps the more accurate questions are...1) did the government believe they could do this without implementing strict measures and 2) whether the government implemented the distancing measures soon enough to ensure NHS capacity isn’t breached (which also ties into expansion of capacity and ventilator orders)

I’m not trying to be pedantic but there’s a difference with how some people frame the above
 
Grendel

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Grendel

Grendel

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To be fair Emily Thornberry doesn’t have 2 homes - she has 3
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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CCFCSteve said:
But as we know (as I’ve attached this previously) it wasn’t the governments plan to ‘take it on the chin’

Here is the transcript of what Boris Johnson said on This Morning about the new coronavirus

This was from 5 March, 10-14 days prior to implementation of social distancing measures ie saying they would take measures to flatten the peak rather that just let everyone get it.

From my understanding, what most commentators appear to be missing (or ignoring) is that the herd immunity theory is still there as a potential underlying longer term benefit of flattening the curve ie you try to minimise the pressure on NHS via lockdowns (which will have to continue until a vaccine is found or antibody tests potentially allow some kind of immunity certificate), gradually more of the population will get it, hopefully without us breaching NHS capacity (although this is unlikely in the next week or two), so with time you have a chance of building herd immunity.

obviously that is very much a last resort as we hope the vaccine will be with us before then or the virus just disappears (the latter being very unlikely unfortunately)

ps the more accurate questions are...1) did the government believe they could do this without implementing strict measures and 2) whether the government implemented the distancing measures soon enough to ensure NHS capacity isn’t breached (which also ties into expansion of capacity and ventilator orders)

I’m not trying to be pedantic but there’s a difference with how some people frame the above
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Vallance was still talking about herd immunity after that
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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TomRad85 said:
This is almost as tedious as the time you told me Lookman was better than Maddison.

We both know she's not Tory, David so let's leave it shall we?

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Oh that story that didn't happen, more lies
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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Ring Of Steel said:
don’t know too many specifics but pretty much everywhere is awash with first hand accounts of how bad it is. I assume we’re now saying they’re all lying as well. I know one nurse in Cov and she says it’s pretty bad and scary, as it would be, but also that they are getting by at the moment, no overload yet and they expect the toughest times to come in a week or two. It’s emerging that doctors are overruling people who don’t tick “DNR” so as to avoid overloading the system in the days to come, which is fairly worrying if you’re one of the ones affected or over a certain age.

Being reported that the Nightingale Hospital- that the NHS is being charged rent at £1-2m per week by the Abu Dhabi owners, no idea if that was public knowledge but seems a bit... ‘off’ if true. As is Jacob Rees’ Mogg’s company (think he owns 15%) touting for business saying the opportunities for outstanding returns is amazing. That is true, but disaster capitalism unfortunately looks like it knows no boundaries of decency.
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2-3 million a month apparently whereas the American owned NEC are giving it free
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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CCFCSteve said:
But as we know (as I’ve attached this previously) it wasn’t the governments plan to ‘take it on the chin’

Here is the transcript of what Boris Johnson said on This Morning about the new coronavirus

This was from 5 March, 10-14 days prior to implementation of social distancing measures ie saying they would take measures to flatten the peak rather that just let everyone get it.

From my understanding, what most commentators appear to be missing (or ignoring) is that the herd immunity theory is still there as a potential underlying longer term benefit of flattening the curve ie you try to minimise the pressure on NHS via lockdowns (which will have to continue until a vaccine is found or antibody tests potentially allow some kind of immunity certificate), gradually more of the population will get it, hopefully without us breaching NHS capacity (although this is unlikely in the next week or two), so with time you have a chance of building herd immunity.

obviously that is very much a last resort as we hope the vaccine will be with us before then or the virus just disappears (the latter being very unlikely unfortunately)

ps the more accurate questions are...1) did the government believe they could do this without implementing strict measures and 2) whether the government implemented the distancing measures soon enough to ensure NHS capacity isn’t breached (which also ties into expansion of capacity and ventilator orders)

I’m not trying to be pedantic but there’s a difference with how some people frame the above
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no there isn’t, the advisors, experts, “nudge unit” all explicitly stated that herd immunity was the policy. Boris was just being his usual flippant and stupid self so can’t read too much into that (and it’s an indication of how shit he is when you have to ignore what the PM says), however herd immunity was the official policy, that can’t be denied. Then they realised it was wrong so did the U turn, and if they’d have said “we need to change this” then ok, fair enough, everyone is in uncharted waters- but they didn’t, they lied repeatedly.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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skybluetony176 said:
About 3 years ago a good mate of mine got a very serious chest infection that hospitalised him. It wasn’t as serious that he needed a ventilator but it did spread to his respiratory track putting him on oxygen for a week. It took him best part of a year to fully recover and even then it was only because he went on a complete lifestyle change both losing weight, cutting down on alcohol and taking regular light exercise. He was told that because he’d had an infection in his respiratory tract he’d most likely be susceptible to them again in the future. Anyone of any age who gets this to a seriousness that they’re going to have to be put on a respirator can expect it to possibly have consequences for the rest of their life.
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Yep, well be seeing the fallout of this for years to come due to the increased susceptibility of those that had it, esp severe cases, picking up secondary infections in future.

Worst case is this virus mutates enough for re-infection to be more likely. Spread quickly but not have the ability to fight it off the second time.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Otis said:
I do think a vaccine will be found more quickly than that, but probably would not ready to administer globally until next year.

It's okay talking of culling the old and the infirm, unless of course you are old or infirm.
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Clutching at straws but as more people recover and will have the anti-bodies in their system the more potential raw material we have to create a vaccine.
 
Grendel

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David O'Day said:
Once again why do you seem to think mostly means all? Even you aren't this stupid
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Well it’s a sweeping statement David and as your socialist chums all think it’s a good idea if they can afford it
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Clutching at straws but as more people recover and will have the anti-bodies in their system the more potential raw material we have to create a vaccine.
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yes definitely, you’re right. When there is a vaccine then we can start to get serious about herd immunity and try to get some people back out to kick start the economy- it was sheer madness in the beginning though.
 
RegTheDonk

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shmmeee said:
Except you made two points. And couldn’t they just use a statutory instrument?
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The policy I believe is to encourage people to comply and reluctantly issue fixed penalty tickets if you don't. The law allows them to use reasonable force to make you go home.
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yep, well be seeing the fallout of this for years to come due to the increased susceptibility of those that had it, esp severe cases, picking up secondary infections in future.

Worst case is this virus mutates enough for re-infection to be more likely. Spread quickly but not have the ability to fight it off the second time.
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The whole world will have to learn to be able to go full lockdown almost overnight from now on. First case was when- Dec 28th I think, we are so interconnected that’s it took the bones of 3 months to close countries off- being interconnected is a wonderful thing but from now on in the mechanism is going to have to be there to shut everything instantly, going from 3 mths to say 1 week saves thousands of lives. Clearly health systems around the world will also have to adapt- I’m not sure this will “never go away” but the world is going to have to change to deal with it, because it will happen again.

One thing all human history has taught is that “decadence always comes before a fall”, and instead of being obsessed with creating systems for accumulating wealth, things, stuff, obsessed with political parties etc, the world now has to create systems to protect the species adequately, at the moment we are sadly lacking.

edit- create systems that protect the environment too, we have spent years essentially creating a giant coffin for us all, that has to change pronto.
 
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Grendel

Grendel

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Brylowes said:
well I’m certainly no expert on Contagions ‘but from what I can make out we are probably
facing 3 stark choices.

1, we isolate totally until a credible vaccine is found, could take years.

2, we live as normal accepting the fact it’s basically a cull of the old and infirm + some
unfortunate others until a credible vaccine is found, could take years.

3, A mix of the two, with occasional lockdown’s as and when needed to relieve pressure on medical needs and equipment, until a credible vaccine is found, could take years.

I think we’ll kick off with No3 in an attempt to keep the economy ‘and life as we know it’ going with some semblance of normality, before moving on to No2 when reality tells us No3 is unsustainable.
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All economies are tanking to levels of slowdown not seen in a century. It’s impossible for the economy not to resume until a vaccine is found as most people won’t have a life to then return to.
 
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