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Grendel

Grendel

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Astute said:
50k is a huge salary for anyone who hasn't lost track of reality.

Can't afford to save on 50k or more a year? Living beyond your means. Too much debt when you shouldn't need debt. If you can afford to save you should be able to live well on 2.5k a month.

No need to do a Billy Big Bollocks especially at a time like this.
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I’ve left work so I’m not giving it anything - one person in a family could earn the £50 grand and the spouse stayed at home to look after children. As ever your comprehension skills and lack of ability to read has let you down
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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cc84cov said:
Can you imagine the amount of court cases the premier league & EFL would have in their hands let’s not forget SISU batter people in court altho I’ve not seen them win one yet ;)
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Exactly, from liverpool to the championship teams to us and whoever's istop of the national league. United and Chelsea who sue as well

They'd have to prove they tried everything to try and finish to have a chance in court.
 
Saddlebrains

Saddlebrains

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Back on track.....

The governments took a bumming recently with the handling of this. But surely these numbers are showing that if anything, out of everyone in Europe, we've done the best at keeping numbers down?

I don't want to talk too soon, and if course the numbers will go up before the affect of lockdown takes place, but either We have nailed things to the day timeframe wise or our containment phase pissed all over what anyone else was able to do?
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Saddlebrains said:
Back on track.....

The governments took a bumming recently with the handling of this. But surely these numbers are showing that if anything, out of everyone in Europe, we've done the best at keeping numbers down?

I don't want to talk too soon, and if course the numbers will go up before the affect of lockdown takes place, but either We have nailed things to the day timeframe wise or our containment phase pissed all over what anyone else was able to do?
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The latter is true
 
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wingy

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shmmeee said:
Just hypothesising here, but could be that quite a few people started taking things into their own hands a week or so before the government as it became clear the issues in Italy were serious. That would mean you’d see some impact around now.

That said we’ve seen two or three day stalls before then it getting back on trend.
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I think there is something to this.
Being ahead of the advice.
How measurable though?
Anybody's guess.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Astute said:
50k is a huge salary for anyone who hasn't lost track of reality.

Can't afford to save on 50k or more a year? Living beyond your means. Too much debt when you shouldn't need debt. If you can afford to save you should be able to live well on 2.5k a month.

No need to do a Billy Big Bollocks especially at a time like this.
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Grendel just said that somebody on 50k will have expenses that match their salary. That is undoubtedly true. Yes making savings is very affordable on that salary but a lot of people don't, they instead spend more on property and goods.
 
cc84cov

cc84cov

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Saddlebrains said:
Back on track.....

The governments took a bumming recently with the handling of this. But surely these numbers are showing that if anything, out of everyone in Europe, we've done the best at keeping numbers down?

I don't want to talk too soon, and if course the numbers will go up before the affect of lockdown takes place, but either We have nailed things to the day timeframe wise or our containment phase pissed all over what anyone else was able to do?
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Agree with this
 
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wingy

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Saddlebrains said:
Back on track.....

The governments took a bumming recently with the handling of this. But surely these numbers are showing that if anything, out of everyone in Europe, we've done the best at keeping numbers down?

I don't want to talk too soon, and if course the numbers will go up before the affect of lockdown takes place, but either We have nailed things to the day timeframe wise or our containment phase pissed all over what anyone else was able to do?
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We're potentially on the same path as France
 
Saddlebrains

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Theres a long horrible road still to go down, but if we nail this, and we will know in the next 10 days or so, but if we do nail this, then the government, medical advisors, NHS, in fact the whole country should be immensely proud of ourselves.

Not wanting to put a curse on it of course but so far so good. Well as good as over 1000 deaths can be. RIP to all of them
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Saddlebrains said:
Theres a long horrible road still to go down, but if we nail this, and we will know in the next 10 days or so, but if we do nail this, then the government, medical advisors, NHS, in fact the whole country should be immensely proud of ourselves.

Not wanting to put a curse on it of course but so far so good. Well as good as over 1000 deaths can be. RIP to all of them
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there's definitely cause for optimism given the numbers and the assessment by Niall Ferguson earlier. Fingers crossed it's not misplaced.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Saddlebrains said:
Back on track.....

The governments took a bumming recently with the handling of this. But surely these numbers are showing that if anything, out of everyone in Europe, we've done the best at keeping numbers down?

I don't want to talk too soon, and if course the numbers will go up before the affect of lockdown takes place, but either We have nailed things to the day timeframe wise or our containment phase pissed all over what anyone else was able to do?
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It seems strange I admit
 
Grendel

Grendel

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fernandopartridge said:
Grendel just said that somebody on 50k will have expenses that match their salary. That is undoubtedly true. Yes making savings is very affordable on that salary but a lot of people don't, they instead spend more on property and goods.
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Or as a family they decide only one of the two parents need to work
 
Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit

Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit

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I've just spoken to one of the guys who works with me, his grandfather died last Wednesday, probably not of COVID-19 but they need to do a post-mortem blood test to confirm - they are still waiting for the test. This means that if he test positive he will go into the figures when he's tested rather than when he died. Makes you wonder how many bodies they still have to test and potentially add to the figures!
 
Skyblueweeman

Skyblueweeman

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Saddlebrains said:
Back on track.....

The governments took a bumming recently with the handling of this. But surely these numbers are showing that if anything, out of everyone in Europe, we've done the best at keeping numbers down?

I don't want to talk too soon, and if course the numbers will go up before the affect of lockdown takes place, but either We have nailed things to the day timeframe wise or our containment phase pissed all over what anyone else was able to do?
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Agree with what you've said there.

I think ze Germans take some credit though. Their numbers are decent - if that's a term that can be used in such a scenario. I know it's all down to medical provisions and testing etc. but still.
 
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skybluesam66

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Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit said:
I've just spoken to one of the guys who works with me, his grandfather died last Wednesday, probably not of COVID-19 but they need to do a post-mortem blood test to confirm - they are still waiting for the test. This means that if he test positive he will go into the figures when he's tested rather than when he died. Makes you wonder how many bodies they still have to test and potentially add to the figures!
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But many of these would have died anyway
Many people die in hospital at the end of a long illness from pneumonia, and that is marked as the cause of death
In reality, it was there immunity closing down , which meant they then contracted pneumonia

I suspect covid-19 is very similar
 
shmmeee

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Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit said:
I've just spoken to one of the guys who works with me, his grandfather died last Wednesday, probably not of COVID-19 but they need to do a post-mortem blood test to confirm - they are still waiting for the test. This means that if he test positive he will go into the figures when he's tested rather than when he died. Makes you wonder how many bodies they still have to test and potentially add to the figures!
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Would also explain a lull at the weekends wouldn’t it as lab staff etc go home? I wonder if that’s in the data...
 
shmmeee

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skybluesam66 said:
But many of these would have died anyway
Many people die in hospital at the end of a long illness from pneumonia, and that is marked as the cause of death
In reality, it was there immunity closing down , which meant they then contracted pneumonia

I suspect covid-19 is very similar
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Everyone will die eventually ;)

There was an interesting guy on More or Less who said your risk of dying by age group was virtually identical to your risk of dying over the next year anyway and in many ways the virus just brought those deaths forward.

Was very keen to point out that doesn’t mean you have no deaths for the rest of the year of course!
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
Or as a family they decide only one of the two parents need to work
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But if they then can't live on £50k pa then they made the wrong decision or are spending beyond their means. Plenty of families with both working don't get to £50k in total
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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wingy said:
I think there is something to this.
Being ahead of the advice.
How measurable though?
Anybody's guess.
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let’s face it, it was hardly the government was it, they fucked it all up so badly they ended up passing the virus between themselves and spent weeks saying that we should all get it to develop immunity
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit said:
I've just spoken to one of the guys who works with me, his grandfather died last Wednesday, probably not of COVID-19 but they need to do a post-mortem blood test to confirm - they are still waiting for the test. This means that if he test positive he will go into the figures when he's tested rather than when he died. Makes you wonder how many bodies they still have to test and potentially add to the figures!
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even Andrew Neil is saying that the figures are fudged.
 
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wingy

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skybluesam66 said:
But many of these would have died anyway
Many people die in hospital at the end of a long illness from pneumonia, and that is marked as the cause of death
In reality, it was there immunity closing down , which meant they then contracted pneumonia

I suspect covid-19 is very similar
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I can't swear to this but I think I've read something suggesting it's the immune response that is bringing on the pneumonia.
They describe the lung's filling with debris rather than fluid though.
 
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Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But if they then can't live on £50k pa then they made the wrong decision or are spending beyond their means. Plenty of families with both working don't get to £50k in total
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well then someone who can’t live on £25k a year and have that removed for a few weeks have lived beyond their means so should not require support
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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wingy said:
I can't swear to this but I think I've read something suggesting it's the immune response that is bringing on the pneumonia.
They describe the lung's filling with debris rather than fluid through.
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Correct- the body does not recognise the alien infection so does what it knows how to do, floods the area with its own cells, which causing inflammation on the lungs, pneumonia and basically you drown
 
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wingy

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Skyblueweeman said:
Agree with what you've said there.

I think ze Germans take some credit though. Their numbers are decent - if that's a term that can be used in such a scenario. I know it's all down to medical provisions and testing etc. but still.
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Yep
Not sure if there hasn't been some debate around the German count though.
 
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