Our Landlords (BCFC)...astonishing stuff (1 Viewer)

AndreasB · Mar 6, 2020

If anyone has access to The Athletic, there is an incredible story released this morning about just how bad things are at Birmingham.
Its a Longread but believe me its worth it. It is so bad its almost worrying for CCFC to be associated with them. Only real mention of us is around the rent we pay £1m for the season apparently. Not sure if I had seen that figure elsewhere but feels a lot?

Anyway, pdf attached

torchomatic · Mar 6, 2020

It's like a soap opera.

Nick · Mar 6, 2020

Dong farting in the directors boxes!

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 6, 2020

I think that figure is north of the mark

Nick · Mar 6, 2020

Can that journo have a look into us?

shmmeee · Mar 6, 2020

The club now has a 25-year lease to play at their own stadium, for
which they pay £1.25 million per year. Coventry City, who are tenants at the stadium, pay £1 million per annum.

So we are pretty much paying their rent for them? No wonder they’re so welcoming!

Interesting article. Sounds like nightmare owners. Hope the club comes out the other side intact.

chiefdave · Mar 6, 2020

AndreasB said:
Only real mention of us is around the rent we pay £1m for the season apparently. Not sure if I had seen that figure elsewhere but feels a lot?

I've heard people mention that figure before but it seems high to me. Of course when dealing with football stadiums 'rent' is very often not comparing like with like. It could be its approaching that figure but includes all match day costs, car parking, hospitality, policing etc which would probably be about right and very different to paying £1m and then everything else on top.

fernandopartridge · Mar 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
So we are pretty much paying their rent for them? No wonder they’re so welcoming!

Interesting article. Sounds like nightmare owners. Hope the club comes out the other side intact.

It's a bit like the ACL - CCFC deal!

Grendel · Mar 6, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
I think that figure is north of the mark

The figure often quoted is £750,000 it could be that we pay per game and that’s league games only - the other thing of course is we have no idea what the wasps proposed offer was but it would be a lot more than the prior arrangement

shmmeee · Mar 6, 2020

Grendel said:
The figure often quoted is £750,000 it could be that we pay per game and that’s league games only - the other thing of course is we have no idea what the wasps proposed offer was but it would be a lot more than the prior arrangement

You’re making a valiant effort, but there’s no way we are financially better of in Brum. It was the best of a bad situation. Even the club and owners say this.

Grendel · Mar 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
You’re making a valiant effort, but there’s no way we are financially better of in Brum. It was the best of a bad situation. Even the club and owners say this.

How am I making a valiant effort? I’m making a point regarding the way the figure could be calculated

Oddly of the 3 landlords we have had to play under the local council offered the most expensive deal

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Mar 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
You’re making a valiant effort, but there’s no way we are financially better of in Brum. It was the best of a bad situation. Even the club and owners say this.

I’m sure I read somewhere that the rent is higher, than our last Ricoh deal but the revenue deal was far better. Unfortunately crowds being down means that we are being hit financially

shmmeee · Mar 6, 2020

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I’m sure I read somewhere that the rent is higher, than our last Ricoh deal but the revenue deal was far better. Unfortunately crowds being down means that we are being hit financially

We are definitely worse off. Robins says so. Joy says so. Boddy says so. It’s not a partisan point.

ccfcricoh · Mar 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
We are definitely worse off. Robins says so. Joy says so. Boddy says so. It’s not a partisan point.

Don't think anyone is disagreeing are they?!

Just no idea how much worse off we are i suppose!

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Mar 6, 2020

Grendel said:
The figure often quoted is £750,000 it could be that we pay per game and that’s league games only - the other thing of course is we have no idea what the wasps proposed offer was but it would be a lot more than the prior arrangement

In your thread you say "no idea what the wasps proposed offer was" and then you say"it would be a lot more"do you know? It might not fit in with your assumption and be lower. After all most people on here think Wasps are on their uppers

Grendel · Mar 6, 2020

thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
In your thread you say "no idea what the wasps proposed offer was" and then you say"it would be a lot more"do you know? It might not fit in with your assumption and be lower. After all most people on here think Wasps are on their uppers

The deal with Anderson was £750,000 with no exit clause - the fact is the more on the uppers they are the more they want as the arrangement has to add revenue - if we are promoted the gap between the parties wants just widens

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Mar 6, 2020

Grendel said:
The deal with Anderson was £750,000 with no exit clause - the fact is the more on the uppers they are the more they want as the arrangement has to add revenue - if we are promoted the gap between the parties wants just widens

If we get promoted would you not expect it to go up and if so what would you estimate the deal to be and would it be worth it ? Anyone know the value of items like Fand B and parking are they significant?

Nick · Mar 6, 2020

thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
If we get promoted would you not expect it to go up and if so what would you estimate the deal to be and would it be worth it ? Anyone know the value of items like Fand B and parking are they significant?

Guess it depends on what the deal includes etc.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Mar 6, 2020

Igorrant here but have we had F and B and Parking included in our SA deal if so are they worth much? Also surely their offer would go up as well .Some solution has got to be be found and I think the S B P and Mark82 have done tremendously well so far they have my thanks.

GaryJones · Mar 6, 2020

AndreasB said:
If anyone has access to The Athletic, there is an incredible story released this morning about just how bad things are at Birmingham.
Its a Longread but believe me its worth it. It is so bad its almost worrying for CCFC to be associated with them. Only real mention of us is around the rent we pay £1m for the season apparently. Not sure if I had seen that figure elsewhere but feels a lot?

Anyway, pdf attached

Cracking read - makes me feel that our club is being run a lot better than BCFC is - now that has surprised me somewhat.
Carry on the good work CCFC.

ccfc92 · Mar 6, 2020

Nick said:
Can that journo have a look into us?

ccfc92 · Mar 6, 2020

GaryJones said:
Cracking read - makes me feel that our club is being run a lot better than BCFC is - now that has surprised me somewhat.
Carry on the good work CCFC.

To be fair, CCFC is being self run by Boddy and Robins. I always thought of it like that anyway.

SISU are just some faceless entity who happen to own us.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Mar 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
We are definitely worse off. Robins says so. Joy says so. Boddy says so. It’s not a partisan point.

I never said we weren’t worse off, just saying what I’d read. Id imagine if the crowds were up to the 15k mark though, we’d be making money

Gibbo · Mar 6, 2020

It has struck me that since we were relegated SISU have managed us at least as well as and in some ways better than many other clubs outside the top tier. See Bury, Bolton, Oldham, Birmingham, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday and the mess they are all in. Unless they have a sugar daddy or some property many clubs are on their uppers. SISU are not a sugar daddy. The questions are - what took them so long; does it all hang on Robins (their 9th manager); is it scaleable to the next tier; what on earth are they getting out of it after 15 years?

The Overson thing was the latest example of an improvement. He wants to invest (tick), but does not want to get dragged into the Ricoh melodrama. But there is a deal to be done around the training facilities, the long term benefit from which definitely appeals to a genuine supporter like Overson.

Don't get me wrong. We need a sugar daddy, not SISU. But as we are where we are, and over the last three years, in a difficult situation partly of their own making, they have made a reasonable fist of it. They have not "backed" Robins, by giving him shitloads of money, but they have tried to create space between the big financial stuff and the playing side, as far as is possible.

shmmeee · Mar 6, 2020

Gibbo said:
It has struck me that since we were relegated SISU have managed us at least as well as and in some ways better than many other clubs outside the top tier. See Bury, Bolton, Oldham, Birmingham, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday and the mess they are all in. Unless they have a sugar daddy or some property many clubs are on their uppers. SISU are not a sugar daddy. The questions are - what took them so long; does it all hang on Robins (their 9th manager); is it scaleable to the next tier; what on earth are they getting out of it after 15 years?

The Overson thing was the latest example of an improvement. He wants to invest (tick), but does not want to get dragged into the Ricoh melodrama. But there is a deal to be done around the training facilities, the long term benefit from which definitely appeals to a genuine supporter like Overson.

Don't get me wrong. We need a sugar daddy, not SISU. But as we are where we are, and over the last three years, in a difficult situation partly of their own making, they have made a reasonable fist of it. They have not "backed" Robins, by giving him shitloads of money, but they have tried to create space between the big financial stuff and the playing side, as far as is possible.

We’re top of the league. I’d argue Robins has had enough backing so far.

I’d agree, since the second relegation and Fisher moving to the background we are well run. Just the stadium situation blotting the record really.

Liquid Gold · Mar 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
So we are pretty much paying their rent for them? No wonder they’re so welcoming!

Interesting article. Sounds like nightmare owners. Hope the club comes out the other side intact.

I’m reading that as the stadium owners are getting £2.25m so we’re paying less than them in their own stadium. Could be wrong as usual.

Ricketts · Mar 6, 2020

We would be better off buying Saint Andrews

shmmeee · Mar 6, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
I’m reading that as the stadium owners are getting £2.25m so we’re paying less than them in their own stadium. Could be wrong as usual.

Ah hadn’t thought of that. In which case Brums owners make ACL look like a housing charity. £2.25m/year rent for that?

Monners · Mar 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
Ah hadn’t thought of that. In which case Brums owners make ACL look like a housing charity. £2.25m/year rent for that?

Blues fans have told me the same. Their club pays the ground owners £1m and we pay £750k. So they are paying more to play in their own ground than the tenants are!

Liquid Gold · Mar 6, 2020

The FA needs to get a rule in that means once connected a club and stadium can never be separated.

alfielloyd · Mar 6, 2020

Grendel said:
How am I making a valiant effort? I’m making a point regarding the way the figure could be calculated

Oddly of the 3 landlords we have had to play under the local council offered the most expensive deal

how the council have continuously avoided criticism for behaving so negatively towards all those associated with coventry city is astounding, a football club is made up of many layers, the owners being just one layer, they are in a situation where they should be directed to take the moral high ground as opposed to their current infantile position.

letsallsingtogether · Mar 7, 2020

Ricketts said:
We would be better off buying Saint Andrews

Yep knock it down and extend Morrisons.

Nick · Mar 7, 2020

letsallsingtogether said:
Yep knock it down and extend Morrisons.

That's out of order.

A bigger B&M would be better

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