Evo1883
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I think Sheffield Wednesday push them close.... Historically that is
It's also hard to discount forests 2 European Cup successes, well also the fact they've won more major honours
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I think Sheffield Wednesday push them close.... Historically that is
It's also hard to discount forests 2 European Cup successes, well also the fact they've won more major honours
SlowerThanPlatt
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Sheffield Wednesday not for me. Big club yes but not bigger than Sunderland. They last got 30k avg in 1968. Even we have a 30k avg more recently than them in 1970
Evo1883
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On attendances over the last 30 years or so yes I agree Sunderland are bigger than all the clubs outside the Premier league..
Just a bit more to it IMO than attendances.
Either way, big club don't really belong at this level tbh
Londonccfcfan
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Absolutely agree, we’re not different to most clubs when it comes to big fluctuations in attendances in time dependant on how teams do.
Newcastle late eighties early nineties still under Keegan 17 to 20k to 50k in 2000.
Chelsea’s I remember them getting 8to 10k in late eighties to 40k under Gullit.
Man City mid 90s 25k average to 50k average 10years later.
In just 10 years most these clubs average attendances more than doubled.
Chelsea’s fluctauations in attendances is just mental, going from 50k plus in history down when they had 100k stadium to 10/15k in eighties then back up 40/50 plus. Just few years later.
Reminds of all the chants back in the day.
“Where were u when you were were shit”............ I remember singing that at Stamford bridge in mid 90s.
stay_up_skyblues
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Should I blame Nick for the many BCFC posts cropping up on my Facebook timeline? Cookies?
Looking forward to this one. At worst, it will be a big crowd and a chance finally this season (at home) to have some backward and forward chanting. At best, we do them 3-0 and keep this run going.
Looking forward to this one. At worst, it will be a big crowd and a chance finally this season (at home) to have some backward and forward chanting. At best, we do them 3-0 and keep this run going.
Londonccfcfan
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“Where were our fans when we were shit”.....?
3years ago in league 2 we got 6k official attendance at the Ricoh vs Carlisle at home. Midweek game. I was there probably wasn’t more than 4K there.
Less than what we get at StAndrews.
3years ago in league 2 we got 6k official attendance at the Ricoh vs Carlisle at home. Midweek game. I was there probably wasn’t more than 4K there.
Less than what we get at StAndrews.
harvey098
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If we went back up to the championship (at the Ricoh) attendances would without doubt be greater than the last time we were in the champ.
We would be riding on success in the same way our first game back in league one last season was 3k higher than the first game of our relegation season.
(Only fair to take into account the first game of the season(s) because the rest of the attendances are effected by performance. This is about initial appetite)
We would be riding on success in the same way our first game back in league one last season was 3k higher than the first game of our relegation season.
(Only fair to take into account the first game of the season(s) because the rest of the attendances are effected by performance. This is about initial appetite)
ccfcway
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also they know those who have paid but not attended
Londonccfcfan
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The empty seats around you kinda gives it away.
Give over. Bigger than Forest?
Sky Blue Harry H
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Tried not to bite, but I couldn't help it!
Back at the old Highfield Road, every so often an attendance would be announced that just wasn't believable. Those who attended years ago will know what I mean.
I have had no problem with the St Andrew's attendances, until that Ipswich cup game. I'd had a wander around just prior to kick off, looking for a friend (set myself up for a joke there, hope Hill83 isn't reading) When the attendance was announced, i'll be honest, I was extremely sceptical, and was again v Bristol Rovers in the replay (albeit, I hadn't walked around the stand that evening). Not saying I knew what the attendance was, just sceptical - particularly that first game, and I wasn't alone.
Ring Of Steel
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Never sure where this Sheffield Wednesday thing came from, they’ve never pulled in enormous crowds and I think they’re overestimated in terms of size.
pusbccfc
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Not too sure on this. Well supported but that's it.
Since the war they have won exactly the same amount of trophies as we have.
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Ring Of Steel
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You’re missing the point. Within the same season their crowds would not fluctuate as much as ours would. The general rise of crowds since the 80s is not the point being made, its that with us we can wildly swing from match to match.
Ring Of Steel
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Who does that? I never completely bought into the whole “they’re lying about the attendance” thing myself
pusbccfc
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Considering they are in a two-club city with another equally sized club, their crowds have been decent the last 40 years.
Ring Of Steel
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Decent yes but not one of the monsters of the game which is a widely held opinion.
I think Derby have brilliant support- not a big place but what I’d call a proper football town, it’s in their genes. More loyal than Forest for sure. Never 50k plus or anything but always good gates.
pusbccfc
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Yeah, definitely agree with Derby. Moving to their new stadium did the club wonders. It's what should have happened with us.
SlowerThanPlatt
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They get more in L1 than we would in the Premier League
Not sure you can just cancel out a period to suit your argument or you could say since the start of the Premier League Wigan have won more than Leeds
Ring Of Steel
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You are dead right there. That’s the difference- the Baseball Ground was a legendary place and loud & atmospheric as hell, but they didn’t spend a decade and a half complaining, they kept behind the team, it’s what they do. I know there are big reasons why it didn’t happen with us but you know what I mean.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Evo1883
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No I'm saying forest have won 8 major trophies including 2 European cups
Sunderland have won 7 major trophies
Sheffield Wednesday 6
Ring Of Steel
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It’s a combination of things- Sunderland are a bad club living in the 1930s with good support. Forest are a club with much more recent success but would never pull in Sunderland’s crowds- does that make them bigger? I dunno, probably not though. We’re easily as big as teams like Brum, WBA (rarely sold out in the Prem), Brighton, Palace, Southampton (actual crowds 5k+ lower than reported) etc- there’s a CCFC shaped gap in the top league at some stage without us looking out of place.
Ring Of Steel
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They always seem to say they think we’re bigger than we think we are. That’s what decades of failure will do for your self image. Watford said we had the best support there they’d seen in years.
pusbccfc
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Big time difference between that and the war.
Ring Of Steel
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pusbccfc
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We are definitely in that tier of Birmingham, Southampton, etc. Leicester would have sat in there too until their recent success.
Ring Of Steel
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I couldn’t agree more with you there.
fernandopartridge
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Strangely I think our away support now is far better than I ever recall in the top flight, plenty of sub 1k turnouts even for Saturday games
Ring Of Steel
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Definitely. Other clubs have grown their crowds and we’re no different, it’s just that we went about it a weird way with boycotts and constant disasters, we see our growth in away support, home would catch up if the off the field stuff was sorted and we went up again.
