Wasps Again (1 Viewer)

David O'Day said:

Get fucked


Shmmeee in Unite? I'll hve to ask around

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I’ll take that as an admission that you were wrong and have no response to the actual point being made.

Do you need me to write up an apology?

Promotion this season will really get them

GaryJones said:

Good!!
Im conflicted though - not sure which would give me the most satisfaction - Sky Blues getting promoted or Wasps getting relegated!!
Tricky one. :nailbiting:

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I know you are joshing, but I get the sentiment. Wasps are a sideshow to me when it comes to the team doing well. But it would be brilliant is they went down and we went up.

Watch the lack of concern about”legal” if that happened

Liquid Gold said:

No, he said claim conspiracy, which you do every time something about the trust or the council is mentioned even though most of the things claimed have proven to be facts.

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And yet he’s the one bringing up who I’m related to rather than addressing the points raised.

shmmeee said:

I’ll take that as an admission that you were wrong and have no response to the actual point being made.

Do you need me to write up an apology?

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You have lost the plot today mate - have a real for a few hours.

Doesn’t mean I agree with some of the others in this futile discussion by the the way

Edit: bringing family stuff into it is out of order by the way

shmmeee said:

And yet he’s the one bringing up who I’m related to rather than addressing the points raised.

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Because your head is so far in the sand about the points raised you don't raise a reasonable point.

My concerns about the trust are shit out of luck according to you.

Also your gif game is weak af.

shmmeee said:

Yes mate. That’s it. Totally not that you can’t dispute any points and desperately need to try and find some reason to ignore what I’m saying.

Fucking hell. Literally on this thread is me going “the trust are shit and pointless” and you’ve managed to parse this as “he defends the trust cos his Dad used to be on the board”

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I'm not ignoring what you are saying. I am pointing out that its desperate nonsense.

After all it was you who said your dad won't come in here because of my sisu links and that I got free season tickets. I'm pretty sure that carries through

You might want to look at the nonsense you come out with before you try to claim others are on about conspiracies.

shmmeee said:

I didn’t say it was you did I? I forget who it was, they gave it a like and a “good point”.

So desperate.

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So why are you mentioning it to me?

shmmeee said:

And yet he’s the one bringing up who I’m related to rather than addressing the points raised.

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I have addressed them and your behaviour and attitude towards it is heavily related to who you are related to.

You desperately try to claim everything is a conspiracy.

Maybe we can compare my links to sisu and yours to the trust and council?

Liquid Gold said:

Because your head is so far in the sand about the points raised you don't raise a reasonable point.

My concerns about the trust are shit out of luck according to you.

Also your gif game is weak af.

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Oh no hitting me where it hurts, my gif game!

Inmade a simple point about how to change a democratic institution and you lot got triggered and shat the bed and still several pages later can’t explain why I’m wrong without resorting to insults.

shmmeee said:

Oh no hitting me where it hurts, my gif game!

Inmade a simple point about how to change a democratic institution and you lot got triggered and shat the bed and still several pages later can’t explain why I’m wrong without resorting to insults.

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Nobody is triggered and it's been mentioned why it won't change anything?

You didn't answer which trust members voted for Tim kalns to be on the board?

Nick said:

I have addressed them and your behaviour and attitude towards it is heavily related to who you are related to.

You desperately try to claim everything is a conspiracy.

Maybe we can compare my links to sisu and yours to the trust and council?

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Please quote the post in this thread where I claim conspiracy. I mean you aren’t just randomly throwing shit in the hopes of moving the goalposts are you? Dom would hate thag.

shmmeee said:

Please quote the post in this thread where I claim conspiracy. I mean you aren’t just randomly throwing shit in the hopes of moving the goalposts are you? Dom would hate thag.

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I didn't say in this thread ..

No goalposts are being moved, it's how you operate. Very desperate about particular things.

This time is another of your dad's old boys clubs.

Nick said:

Nobody is triggered and it's been mentioned why it won't change anything?

You didn't answer which trust members voted for Tim kalns to be on the board?

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I have no Fucking clue who Tim Kalns is! What’s it got to do with the point that most people who whine about the trust can’t be arsed to do anything but whine?

shmmeee said:

I have no Fucking clue who Tim Kalns is! What’s it got to do with the point that most people who whine about the trust can’t be arsed to do anything but whine?

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Errmm he was the bloke put on the board that no members were asked about and then kicked off because of his antics.

There have been multiple examples of people willing to help change things. It's almost as if I've offered to help bring them into the new age with technology. People are very willing to help, this is the point people are making.

shmmeee said:

Oh no hitting me where it hurts, my gif game!

Inmade a simple point about how to change a democratic institution and you lot got triggered and shat the bed and still several pages later can’t explain why I’m wrong without resorting to insults.

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I'm not insulting you, just telling you where you can improve. Much more helpful than you offered me with "Suck it up" when I asked how I would be able to assist with a change in that oh so democratic institution.

Nick said:

I didn't say in this thread ..

No posts are being moved, it's how you operate. Very desperate about particular things.

This time is another of your dad's old boys clubs.

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Well as we are in this thread what’s the point of raising it if not to move the goalposts?

shmmeee said:

Well as we are in this thread what’s the point of raising it if not to move the goalposts?

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Because it's exactly what you do. You seemingly scrape the barrel to defend something you have no idea about.

The same as what you are doing on this thread.

I have answered your points, you then just ignore them and make things up.

Nick said:

Errmm he was the bloke put on the board that no members were asked about and then kicked off because of his antics.

There have been multiple examples of people willing to help change things. It's almost as if I've offered to help bring them into the new age with technology. People are very willing to help, this is the point people are making.

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Moving goalposts again. What has offering web design help got to do with how you change direction of the board?

Nick said:

Because it's exactly what you do. You seemingly scrape the barrel to defend something you have no idea about.

The same as what you are doing on this thread.

I have answered your points, you then just ignore them and make things up.

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I’ll try you then:

Why do people who want the Trust to change direction not get involved?

shmmeee said:

Moving goalposts again. What has offering web design help got to do with how you change direction of the board?

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You said people can't be arsed to to anything but whine. How on earth is it moving the goalposts to mention the offer of helping them technically to mean they can communicate and get views of their members quickly and easily.

Surely the trust members decide the direction of the trust? That's why the board should be listening to them and taking things in.

shmmeee said:

I’ll try you then:

Why do people who want the Trust to change direction not get involved?

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Because they're shit out of luck.

Liquid Gold said:

I'm not insulting you, just telling you where you can improve. Much more helpful than you offered me with "Suck it up" when I asked how I would be able to assist with a change in that oh so democratic institution.

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You do suck it up. That’s reality. How’s moaning on here every time anything gets mentioned working out for you?

I realised the Trust was pointless outside of its original aim of fan ownership ages ago. I also accepted I don’t have the time or energy to try and change it. I am literally in your position.

shmmeee said:

I’ll try you then:

Why do people who want the Trust to change direction not get involved?

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I have offered to get involved.

Why if I feel I can help do I have to go and sit in a pub for a few hours listening to people like Lionel Bird talk shit?

So many businesses are getting away from having to go to meetings and do it all via the internet. Why do the trust actively refuse to communicate with it's members?

shmmeee said:

I’ll take that as an admission that you were wrong and have no response to the actual point being made.

Do you need me to write up an apology?

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Basically you accused me of talking about something I wasn't, looked foolish then ran away.

Brave brave Sir Shmmeee buggering up and running away

Nick said:

I have offered to get involved.

Why if I feel I can help do I have to go and sit in a pub for a few hours listening to people like Lionel Bird talk shit?

So many businesses are getting away from having to go to meetings and do it all via the internet.

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I'd get involved if it could modernise it's voting system.

David O'Day said:

I'd get involved if it could modernise it's voting system.

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I have offered to help with that, not interested.

Liquid Gold said:

Because they're shit out of luck.

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Round and round we go. Do you think a majority of Trust members are unable to attend meetings? Why? If it’s a lost cause why are you wasting energy on them? Why not use what we do have in a large active online community to offer another fans voice?

Because

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Most people can’t be arsed and would rather whine on here.

Literally the only point I’ve made in this thread and look how upset you all got. It’s honestly hilarious. People dig piling in to call me stupid, jobless, crayon eater, saying it’s all because of who my Dad is.

Obviously I hit a nerve.

shmmeee said:

Round and round we go. Do you think a majority of Trust members are unable to attend meetings? Why? If it’s a lost cause why are you wasting energy on them? Why not use what we do have in a large active online community to offer another fans voice?

Because

*drum roll*

Most people can’t be arsed and would rather whine on here.

Literally the only point I’ve made in this thread and look how upset you all got. It’s honestly hilarious. People dig piling in to call me stupid, jobless, crayon eater, saying it’s all because of who my Dad is.

Obviously I hit a nerve.

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I'm not asking for other people I'm asking for me, a trust member./ How I get involved. I'm sorry that triggers you so badly.

shmmeee said:

Round and round we go. Do you think a majority of Trust members are unable to attend meetings? Why? If it’s a lost cause why are you wasting energy on them? Why not use what we do have in a large active online community to offer another fans voice?

Because

*drum roll*

Most people can’t be arsed and would rather whine on here.

Literally the only point I’ve made in this thread and look how upset you all got. It’s honestly hilarious. People dig piling in to call me stupid, jobless, crayon eater, saying it’s all because of who my Dad is.

Obviously I hit a nerve.

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There isn't a nerve hit, you have just shown you haven't got a clue but will try and defend it.

People want a trust that will represent members properly. As members is that unreasonable?

People are annoyed because they are a cut price pr team for wasps and the council but claim to talk on behalf of them.

Liquid Gold said:

I'm not asking for other people I'm asking for me, a trust member./ How I get involved. I'm sorry that triggers you so badly.

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I don’t think you can. I’d leave. I did leave.

Nick said:

There isn't a nerve hit, you have just shown you haven't got a clue but will try and defend it.

People want a trust that will represent members properly. As members is that unreasonable?

People are annoyed because they are a cut price pr team for wasps and the council but claim to talk on behalf of them.

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Then those people need to organise and make changes and not expect people who they have been insulting for years to spin on a dime and do whatever they say shouldn’t they?
Or those people need to realise they don’t need the trust because they already have a modern actively platform for fans that could be used to organise a better fans voice with blackjack and hookers.
Or they need to accept they can’t be arsed with all of that and get what they are given. That’s life.

edit: please show where I have defended the trust as opposed to point out why moaning is a less useful use of our time than organising

shmmeee said:

I don’t think you can. I’d leave. I did leave.

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Good for you, I don't know why you're so against members criticising an organisation you have no interest in. Sounds like it's none of your business.

Nick said:

I have offered to help with that, not interested.

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Is it possible to get another organisation recognised as the official trust?

shmmeee said:

Yes. I think if the Trust just represented a handful of people they would have less of a claim to be the voice of the fans or whatever. I think that’s fairly obvious. To be honest I can’t remember the last time I saw anything from them. I think mostly they live rent free in your head and have very little impact in the wider debate.

But keep getting angry at them. I’m sure that and a couple of more stars in Wasps will have us back any second.

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Here's a question then, how many people do they claim to represent?

It seems that you're the one getting angry and abusive here mate, at people expressing frustration with the trust. Your only answer seems to be 'suck it up' and you're getting a bit shirty with those who'd rather not.

It's given that you're not bothered about it any more, maybe some of us are though. You're not going to change that, why not take some of your own advice and accept it.

David O'Day said:

Is it possible to get another organisation recognised as the official trust?

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I've spoken to supporters united about this, they said the SBT have open elections and to stand for that if I want change. As mentioned, it's over 200 miles for me.