Rumour from the boardroom (1 Viewer)

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 28, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
He's not deluded at all. He's one of several thousand who simply refuse to go to Birmingham. I respect his stance. I also respect all those that go to St Andrews.

I respect his stance the delusion is thinking that it’s making any difference

Irish Sky Blue · Dec 28, 2019

Covstu said:
We need to weigh up the value of 3-4k more on the attendance or keeping consistency at SA. I would prefer to stay for the remainder of the season, see it out and have a more productive discussion at the end of the season. We are in a weak bargaining position at the moment and would move back to a shit pitch to finish the season which could derail us completely.
I hear people saying we would get 17k back there if we moved, I think we all know that’s nonsense and previous seasons demonstrate this, we need to get back home but we can’t put the club at risk by a catastrophic deal which limits us down the line

Why only 3 or 4K more? Where do those figures come from? We averaged 12k last season. In the Mowbray season, the attendances were as high as 17k until the wheels came off.

Irish Sky Blue · Dec 28, 2019

ccfc1234 said:
SISU are not blameless but the price they were quoted for the ricoh was far too high so they made a commercial decision to leave and try and prove the asset was over priced by distressing it to drive the price down. Surely this is their right as a business? While that happened wasps were courted and given a deal far better than the one we refused. It is for that reason I blame the Council on two levels. 1. They were unrealistic with what they tried to charge us for the Ricoh and 2. They offered a sporting franchise a better deal than we were ever offered as they were so bitter that we proved that the stadium was over priced all along.

Business is brutal and SISU played hard ball to make the Council understand how wrong their valuation was. The council then gave the stadium away cheaply amd in an underhand way to the point it could be called state aid to a rugby club as a two fingers to CCFC and SISU.

The problem with this is that Sisu’s ‘hard ball’ stance involved using our football club as the hostage. They weren’t bothered about the damage to the club or the distress they caused to thousands of fans. You talk about Sisu’s rights as business people to do what they want. What about the rights of the fans who expect the owners of their football club, a cherished and much loved community asset, to look after it and make the right decisions for it’s benefit?
Sisu have used our club in their business ‘games’ and have had no thought for people or club, only minimising their losses. They have been a disaster for the club and for the city. That is not excusing Wasps or CCC it is simply telling it the way it is with regard to Sisu.
The phrase ‘it’s business’ seems to be a way of excusing what they have done to our club.

The coventrian · Dec 28, 2019

christonabike said:
If people don’t go to Brum we won’t have a club to come back or is this too much to comprehend?
Wasps have us over a barrel yet people want us back at a huge financial disadvantage what ever as long as we play in “Cov”.
We will just continue to be a small team in the 3rd division forever. Travel costs ffs it’s £5 return at many places and your back in Coventry by 6.30 at the latest.
We want our own destiny we all do but it has to be achieved and going back cap in hand isn’t going to do it.
Half the people I speak to vow never to go but these don’t go to more than 5 games a year at the Ricoh! Unless we have a huge money pot and fook Wasps off it’s either play second fiddle and go back or suffer 6k attendances until a better deal can be done.

Absolute myopic dissolution bollocks.
Who put us in this situation you fucking idiot?

TTG · Dec 28, 2019

The coventrian said:
Absolute myopic dissolution bollocks.
Who put us in this situation you fucking idiot?

Absolute myopic dissolution bollocks.
Do you want to watch your team play or not you fucking idiot?

TTG · Dec 28, 2019

The coventrian said:
Our ground is occupied because sisu decided to break the lease to try and bust acl.
They also repeatedly said that they were not interested in the ricoh as they were building their own ground.
Lets not lie about why we're at the pig sty.
What exactly did you expect the council to do with a 32k empty stadium? Mothball it just incase sisu were lieing?
We're here because sisu fucked up big time.
Yes the council were courting wasps before we left but were they at the ricoh before we left? No. Look closer to home to point the finger.

Yes, but now that wasps are here, they probably could have made life alot more easy for us.

TTG · Dec 28, 2019

The coventrian said:
Pathetic.

How?

Covstu · Dec 28, 2019

Irish Sky Blue said:
Why only 3 or 4K more? Where do those figures come from? We averaged 12k last season. In the Mowbray season, the attendances were as high as 17k until the wheels came off.

Okay a little cynical but I doubt we would see anything near 17k apart from the first game back. Let’s face it we seen 17k attendances very rarely, it generally sat at 11-12k even that season. 2016/17 and 17/18 we rarely got over 10k.

Skyblueweeman · Dec 28, 2019

The coventrian said:
Our ground is occupied because sisu decided to break the lease to try and bust acl.
They also repeatedly said that they were not interested in the ricoh as they were building their own ground.
Lets not lie about why we're at the pig sty.
What exactly did you expect the council to do with a 32k empty stadium? Mothball it just incase sisu were lieing?
We're here because sisu fucked up big time.
Yes the council were courting wasps before we left but were they at the ricoh before we left? No. Look closer to home to point the finger.

Jesus wept.....

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The coventrian · Dec 28, 2019

Corrado said:
Quite the contrary- a sensible post to secure the club

Total and utter delusional bollocks.

The coventrian · Dec 28, 2019

Skyblueweeman said:
Jesus wept.....

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What part of that is wrong?
Is history not your strongest subject?

pipkin73 · Dec 29, 2019

Guess the holidays are over and your back on the pay roll, what's the betting no posts over New Years Eve and Day.

clint van damme · Dec 29, 2019

Covstu said:
Okay a little cynical but I doubt we would see anything near 17k apart from the first game back. Let’s face it we seen 17k attendances very rarely, it generally sat at 11-12k even that season. 2016/17 and 17/18 we rarely got over 10k.

I think you are 100 percent on with your analysis Stu and I agree we wouldn't be getting 17000 if at the Ricoh.
However, to return our crowds to those levels we need to be in Cov. Don't think we'll ever be able to do it in Birmingham

The coventrian · Dec 29, 2019

TTG said:
Absolute myopic dissolution bollocks.
Do you want to watch your team play or not you fucking idiot?

Not in Birmingham no.

The coventrian · Dec 29, 2019

pipkin73 said:
Guess the holidays are over and your back on the pay roll, what's the betting no posts over New Years Eve and Day.

Payroll? Holidays? Oh I see. As I have a different opinion to you I must be on the councils or wasps payroll? People like you need some more material. I'm not addicted to being on here either as a lot of you lot are. I actually have a life..
I actually work at land rover solihull and I go back Thursday night. Would you like me to upload a picture of my pass? Weird.

The coventrian · Dec 29, 2019

clint van damme said:
I think you are 100 percent on with your analysis Stu and I agree we wouldn't be getting 17000 if at the Ricoh.
However, to return our crowds to those levels we need to be in Cov. Don't think we'll ever be able to do it in Birmingham

I think itd be around the 13k mark. Reason being is this is the 2nd time we've been moved and I think this time around the club wont get the reception it did against gillingham as a lot of people would of simply walked away.

clint van damme · Dec 29, 2019

The coventrian said:
I think itd be around the 13k mark. Reason being is this is the 2nd time we've been moved and I think this time around the club wont get the reception it did against gillingham as a lot of people would of simply walked away.

Wouldn't disagree with that and to get those people back we have to be in Cov in my opinion.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 29, 2019

The coventrian said:
I think itd be around the 13k mark. Reason being is this is the 2nd time we've been moved and I think this time around the club wont get the reception it did against gillingham as a lot of people would of simply walked away.

Is it just the Ricoh you’d want them to play at? If so they can’t so what do you think they should have done this year to keep your support?

Flying Fokker · Dec 29, 2019

Terry_dactyl said:
I think people are making the best of a bad situation. I don’t believe anyone prefers cov being in Birmingham.
If you can afford it, and it’s not too much of a pain In the arse in terms of travel, my advice is to get yourself up there.
As far as I can see these are the only two reasons not to attend. Especially if you miss it and are “very tempted”. I mean, and this may be controversial, it’s only football, it’s hardly a huge moral decision. It some time feels like people are proclaiming that they’re conscientious objectors or something. Get up there and enjoy watching city again!

The club playing in Birmingham. It just isn’t right and you might as well be supporting a third Birmingham club. But judging by the crowds there it is not much of a pull for the locals. After all, we are Coventry City.

The moral argument is more principle. The more fans go to Birmingham the more we lose as a city. SISU does not give a toss about the city or the fans. But they have their own principles driven by what they consider to be right and just.

theferret · Dec 29, 2019

Covstu said:
Okay a little cynical but I doubt we would see anything near 17k apart from the first game back. Let’s face it we seen 17k attendances very rarely, it generally sat at 11-12k even that season. 2016/17 and 17/18 we rarely got over 10k.

I think he was making a comparison with the Mowbray season, which I think is a fair one. Around the new year/Xmas period that season we got 15.5K against Oldham, 17.7K for Port Vale, 15.5K for Walsall and 17.1K for Burton, in 4 consecutive games and the away followings from those teams wasn't great. I think we'd at least match last seasons average of 13K if we were playing in Cov.

clint van damme · Dec 29, 2019

theferret said:
I think he was making a comparison with the Mowbray season, which I think is a fair one. Around the new year/Xmas period that season we got 15.5K against Oldham, 17.7K for Port Vale, 15.5K for Walsall and 17.1K for Burton, in 4 consecutive games and the away followings from those teams wasn't great. I think we'd at least match last seasons average of 13K if we were playing in Cov.

Any more news on a return Ferret or has that gone quiet (apologies for putting you on the spot!)

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 29, 2019

Flying Fokker said:
The club playing in Birmingham. It just isn’t right and you might as well be supporting a third Birmingham club. But judging by the crowds there it is not much of a pull for the locals. After all, we are Coventry City.

The moral argument is more principle. The more fans go to Birmingham the more we lose as a city. SISU does not give a toss about the city or the fans. But they have their own principles driven by what they consider to be right and just.

I thought that for Northampton but it’s different this season we had no choice and still don’t

Terry_dactyl · Dec 29, 2019

Flying Fokker said:
The club playing in Birmingham. It just isn’t right and you might as well be supporting a third Birmingham club. But judging by the crowds there it is not much of a pull for the locals. After all, we are Coventry City.

The moral argument is more principle. The more fans go to Birmingham the more we lose as a city. SISU does not give a toss about the city or the fans. But they have their own principles driven by what they consider to be right and just.

You’ll have no argument from me on that, it isn’t right. I also think every fan that goes to St. Andrews thinks the same...we should be playing in Coventry. In the short/medium term this seems unlikely. Where would you like us to play? The Rioch doesn’t seem a viable option.

Sky Blue Harry H · Dec 29, 2019

The coventrian said:
I actually work at land rover solihull

Irony
I suppose you'd rather work at land rover if it was based in Coventry but, as it's outside our city, you have to travel?

theferret · Dec 29, 2019

clint van damme said:
Any more news on a return Ferret or has that gone quiet (apologies for putting you on the spot!)

The last update I had was boxing day. I'm obviously doubtful myself now after being given the impression it was 'nailed on' for so long. A lesson in why you should never repeat these things in public! It is still possible for end of Jan I'm told, but there is a snag, but don't know what this is. I think I may have offended the person in question though by suggesting they know less than they are making out. A bit unfair perhaps, and hopefully just a short delay.

TTG · Dec 29, 2019

The coventrian said:
Not in Birmingham no.

That proves you don't give a shit about football, your not gonna achieve anything and your not watching football

What about answering my other quotes

zuni · Dec 29, 2019

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Irony
I suppose you'd rather work at land rover if it was based in Coventry, but as it's outside our city, you have to travel?

That makes no sense, he travels to work because he has to...
Your football club should be in your home town, if people hadn’t gone to Northampton sisu would most likely not repeated the same fuck up

Sisu have created this whole catastrofuck and yet people on this site blindly blame wasps and the council...the council are cunts no doubt, wasps opportunistic twats but sisu are to blame

We MUST play in our home town ASAP...where’s the proof that sisu will build a ground? Fucking no where...zero
Lie after lie after fucking lie

If they showed any real intent then more would go to brum...ffs

NorthernWisdom · Dec 29, 2019

zuni said:
if people hadn’t gone to Northampton sisu would most likely not repeated the same fuck up

I have a certain sympathy for people not going (frankly, it should be of concern that we wipe so many people off our average gate so quickly), but this is a nonsensical statement.

zuni said:
We MUST play in our home town ASAP...where’s the proof that sisu will build a ground? Fucking no where...zero
Lie after lie after fucking lie

And there certainly is a lack of ground progress! Nero did better, even stopping to play a tune or two.

skybluetony176 · Dec 29, 2019

Here’s a thought. Saracens were docked points and fined for salary cap breach. If Wasps have cooked their books although it might not be to bypass the salary cap but because of the bonds is it possible that it’s inadvertently put them in the same breach of rules as Saracens and therefore face the same punishment? We can hope.

Grendel · Dec 29, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Here’s a thought. Saracens were docked points and fined for salary cap breach. If Wasps have cooked their books although it might not be to bypass the salary cap but because of the bonds is it possible that it’s inadvertently put them in the same breach of rules as Saracens and therefore face the same punishment? We can hope.

No they’ve been fined for it already - breach of salary cap

skybluetony176 · Dec 29, 2019

Grendel said:
No they’ve been fined for it already - breach of salary cap

Based on information known at the time. The breach was 10’s of thousands and deemed accidental whereas the Saracens breach was in the millions and deemed deliberate. If an outcome of the FCA investigation is that Wasps breach was actually more serious than known at the time and if it’s proven that they’ve deliberately cooked the books then given the severity of Saracens punishment the RFU would surely have to revisit the punishment given to Wasps at the time. There’s a big difference between accidentally doing something and deliberately doing something.

fernandopartridge · Dec 29, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Based on information known at the time. The breach was 10’s of thousands and deemed accidental whereas the Saracens breach was in the millions and deemed deliberate. If an outcome of the FCA investigation is that Wasps breach was actually more serious than known at the time and if it’s proven that they’ve deliberately cooked the books then given the severity of Saracens punishment the RFU would surely have to revisit the punishment given to Wasps at the time. There’s a big difference between accidentally doing something and deliberately doing something.

I think Wasps' issues will be about how they're reporting income rather than expenditure. You wonder whether the cash investment from Richardson that they tried to report as revenue was just the overt bit...

Adge · Dec 29, 2019

christonabike said:
If people don’t go to Brum we won’t have a club to come back or is this too much to comprehend?
Wasps have us over a barrel yet people want us back at a huge financial disadvantage what ever as long as we play in “Cov”.
We will just continue to be a small team in the 3rd division forever. Travel costs ffs it’s £5 return at many places and your back in Coventry by 6.30 at the latest.
We want our own destiny we all do but it has to be achieved and going back cap in hand isn’t going to do it.
Half the people I speak to vow never to go but these don’t go to more than 5 games a year at the Ricoh! Unless we have a huge money pot and fook Wasps off it’s either play second fiddle and go back or suffer 6k attendances until a better deal can be done.

A poor angle to come from and “blame” people who decide not to go as if it’s the fans fault.
Is it too hard to “comprehend“ as you put it that whichever way people spin it or decide who/which parties are to blame, once again, the end product is the same-we have been moved out of Coventry through the choice of the owners and not because fans are/have chosen not to go.

Grendel · Dec 29, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Based on information known at the time. The breach was 10’s of thousands and deemed accidental whereas the Saracens breach was in the millions and deemed deliberate. If an outcome of the FCA investigation is that Wasps breach was actually more serious than known at the time and if it’s proven that they’ve deliberately cooked the books then given the severity of Saracens punishment the RFU would surely have to revisit the punishment given to Wasps at the time. There’s a big difference between accidentally doing something and deliberately doing something.

It’s a total different issue to salary cap offences

MalcSB · Dec 29, 2019

Grendel said:
It’s a total different issue to salary cap offences

Is it punishable by a points deduction?

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