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SkyBlueDom26 said:

Oh dear, someones still upset from the result.

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Not being funny Dim but I’m right

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Not being funny Dim but I’m right

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Hate to break it to you but you aren't

SkyBlueDom26 said:

Hate to break it to you but you aren't

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You arse lick Johnson no matter what he says or does. Any comment on him using unelected peerages to keep people in the Cabinet? Or that he seems to just be following Cummings’ orders?

Brighton Sky Blue said:

You arse lick Johnson no matter what he says or does. Any comment on him using unelected peerages to keep people in the Cabinet? Or that he seems to just be following Cummings’ orders?

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shmmeee said:

Always projection from the right. They follow their leader like a cult so everyone else must as well. They care about “winning” so everyone else must as well.

It really is the ideology of lack of imagination.

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You both couldn't be more up Corbyns arse if ya tried, defend him on everything..... Would probably want him to stay on as labour leader due to the fact he's about as leftie as it gets!

Socialism has been rejected fellas, time to accept it instead of looking bitter

Sick Boy said:

Yep, the remain arugement was arrogant and half-hearted and never truely sold the EU in a positive light and reverted to scare tactics. If the will is there in the future then it will be up to the next generation to fight for the country to join again.

I do feel for those who are going to lose their EU-associated rights of FoM though.

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What did most damage was those who told remain voters they were thick and shouting down those remain voters that tried to put their point across. It then became an argument and not a debate. And who listens to the other side on any subject and admits they might be wrong when having an argument?

I still have hope of all this bullshit being resolved. Now the vast majority of the arguing has ceased people can start talking. Hopefully they will start listening. Then the best result will be the end result.

The EU isn't in a good place. We are doing better so far than expected. But that could soon change. The bullshit needs to stop and they need to get around a table and talk. They need to reach a compromise. The end goal for everyone should be the same. Working together.

Leaving the EU can be done by name but most of it stay the same. The EU has countries not members but that wirk very closely. The EU needs our trade. The UK needs trade with the EU. So what could be so hard.....

Brighton Sky Blue said:

You arse lick Johnson no matter what he says or does. Any comment on him using unelected peerages to keep people in the Cabinet? Or that he seems to just be following Cummings’ orders?

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Baron Mandelson?

SkyBlueDom26 said:

You both couldn't be more up Corbyns arse if ya tried, defend him on everything..... Would probably want him to stay on as labour leader due to the fact he's about as leftie as it gets!

Socialism has been rejected fellas, time to accept it instead of looking bitter

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Are you blind or just thick as pig shit?

dazed&confused said:

Baron Mandelson?

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Ah, ‘Labour did it!’

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Are you blind or just thick as pig shit?

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Or at the wind up!

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Ah, ‘Labour did it!’

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They did.

clint van damme said:

Asked you before, has Corbyn ever lost him job for colluding with a foreign government or for passing information to a Chinese multinational?
2 of the current cabinet have.

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How could he? He’s the leader and he’s never had a job before to lose

Brighton Sky Blue said:

You arse lick Johnson no matter what he says or does. Any comment on him using unelected peerages to keep people in the Cabinet? Or that he seems to just be following Cummings’ orders?

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Labour have used more than this government

Grendel said:

How could he? He’s the leader and he’s never had a job before to lose

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exactly, but we have actual proven security risks in the current cabinet, one who was lucky not to be prosecuted for his transgression.

clint van damme said:

exactly, but we have actual proven security risks in the current cabinet, one who was lucky not to be prosecuted for his transgression.

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Mr Corbyn once according to minutes of a meeting recorded in Hansard broke security rules by giving the IRA a map and guided tour of all the commons shortly after the murder of an MP by said terrorist group

Grendel said:

Mr Corbyn once according to minutes of a meeting recorded in Hansard broke security rules by giving the IRA a map and guided tour of all the commons shortly after the murder of an MP by said terrorist group

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if you're referring to Sinn Fein they were allowed into the commons. I'm not sure if they're still allowed. I doubt anyone convicted of membership of the provisional IRA would have been.

clint van damme said:

if you're referring to Sinn Fein they were allowed into the commons. I'm not sure if they're still allowed. I doubt anyone convicted of membership of the provisional IRA would have been.

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Linda quigley and Gerald Mgauchlin were convicted IRA terrorists

Grendel said:

Labour have used more than this government

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This government is in its infancy

shmmeee said:

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Dim by name Dumb by nature

dazed&confused said:

They did.

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How is that a ‘gotcha’?

Grendel said:

Linda quigley and Gerald Mgauchlin were convicted IRA terrorists

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but he was never censored for it? It can't have been considered a serious security breach, (which I admit surprises me).
And Corbyn has gone, the ministers involved in the two incidents I mentioned, (both resulting in them losing their jobs), are currently sitting in the cabinet. They are in a position to repeat offend. Williamson is even in a post that requires minimal clearance for a minister because his offence was so serious.

You can't keep excusing questionable behavior from the current government by saying but Corbyn, but Corbyn, it's ludicrous.

Sick Boy said:

There’s nothing on there about leaving the customs union and single market either.

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Oh dear, David Cameron spelt our exactly what leave would mean prior to the referendum, he said there would be only one referendum, and a no vote would result in the uk being out of the customs union, out of the single market, out of the European courts, and out of the Schengen treaty. Etc etc
All of this is a matter of historic record, and his speeches are on utube for anyone to listen to.
How come your not aware of it? Please tell me you didn’t vote without having a fucking clue!

Brighton Sky Blue said:

How is that a ‘gotcha’?

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You asked for comments. I commented.

fatso said:

Oh dear, David Cameron spelt our exactly what leave would mean prior to the referendum, he said there would be only one referendum, and a no vote would result in the uk being out of the customs union, out of the single market, out of the European courts, and out of the Schengen treaty. Etc etc
All of this is a matter of historic record, and his speeches are on utube for anyone to listen to.
How come your not aware of it? Please tell me you didn’t vote without having a fucking clue!

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Oh dear, and the Leave lot also went on about no one talking about threatening the UK’s place in the single market.

The UK has never been in Schengen either by the way.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

This government is in its infancy

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So were Labour when Blair appointed his flat mate

fatso said:

Anti austerity will always poll well among those who forget, or never new why austerity was brought about in the first place.
Anti austerity voters rarely know or understand that we as a nation are 1.8 trillion pounds in debt, or that it's the 8 million people that Blair's government let in that's the real cause for the current issues in the NHS, and not underfunding by the Tories. (Infact if you even mention immigration now, you get shouted down for being racist, despite it being the biggest single issue in the referendum)
In fact I'd say, many voters are completely politically unaware, they vote labour because they always have, or if they see queues at A&E it's easier to blame lack of funding than to look further into the issue for the truth.

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Honestly, you haven't got a clue about what causes the problems in the NHS. 8m people coming into the country mostly pay tax and contribute to the NHS, the problem is that the number of OAPs in the country has grown. In 25 years the number of people in the population that are retired has grown by 2.7m people, given that age brings numerous ailments they are the real reason the NHS struggles, along with deliberate under funding by the Tories.

Immigrants from within the EU have the healthcare paid for by their country of birth.

Immigrants from outside the EU pay the NHS levy.

Astute said:

What did most damage was those who told remain voters they were thick and shouting down those remain voters that tried to put their point across. It then became an argument and not a debate. And who listens to the other side on any subject and admits they might be wrong when having an argument?

I still have hope of all this bullshit being resolved. Now the vast majority of the arguing has ceased people can start talking. Hopefully they will start listening. Then the best result will be the end result.

The EU isn't in a good place. We are doing better so far than expected. But that could soon change. The bullshit needs to stop and they need to get around a table and talk. They need to reach a compromise. The end goal for everyone should be the same. Working together.

Leaving the EU can be done by name but most of it stay the same. The EU has countries not members but that wirk very closely. The EU needs our trade. The UK needs trade with the EU. So what could be so hard.....

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Certainly was the case on the EU thread: leavers were, and continue to be, as thick as pigshit . Given the result of last week's second referendum there are even more thickies than ever before.
The thickies won but it must be hugely rewarding for the losers to continue to be far superior.

fernandopartridge said:

Honestly, you haven't got a clue about what causes the problems in the NHS. 8m people coming into the country mostly pay tax and contribute to the NHS, the problem is that the number of OAPs in the country has grown. In 25 years the number of people in the population that are retired has grown by 2.7m people, given that age brings numerous ailments they are the real reason the NHS struggles, along with deliberate under funding by the Tories..

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To be fair, Labour had a good chunk of those years in power under Blair/Brown and underfunded the NHS relative to the age increases and longer living public.
They also gave us the magical PFI solution which legacy has caused debts of 4 times the amount that was used to implement the austerity measures.

As I said previously, you have to assess years after they go but also have balance in your viewpoint, I agree the Conservatives have underfunded the NHS relative to costs and people living longer through advanced health knowledge and advancement in medicine but so did Labour.
Labour also had the 10 years build up to our worst ever financial crisis riding that gravy train of debt rather than taxing the crap out of for proper infrastructure at the time.
Not for or against - just balance

Mild-Mannered Janitor said:

To be fair, Labour had a good chunk of those years in power under Blair/Brown and underfunded the NHS relative to the age increases and longer living public.
They also gave us the magical PFI solution which legacy has caused debts of 4 times the amount that was used to implement the austerity measures.

As I said previously, you have to assess years after they go but also have balance in your viewpoint, I agree the Conservatives have underfunded the NHS relative to costs and people living longer through advanced health knowledge and advancement in medicine but so did Labour.
Labour also had the 10 years build up to our worst ever financial crisis riding that gravy train of debt rather than taxing the crap out of for proper infrastructure at the time.
Not for or against - just balance

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Labour increased NHS spending 6% per year in real terms, agree on PFI which is an abomination but ironically fits with the idea of austerity as it doesn't go on the treasury balance sheet.

fernandopartridge said:

Honestly, you haven't got a clue about what causes the problems in the NHS. 8m people coming into the country mostly pay tax and contribute to the NHS, the problem is that the number of OAPs in the country has grown. In 25 years the number of people in the population that are retired has grown by 2.7m people, given that age brings numerous ailments they are the real reason the NHS struggles, along with deliberate under funding by the Tories.

Immigrants from within the EU have the healthcare paid for by their country of birth.

Immigrants from outside the EU pay the NHS levy.

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I don't think that's quite the correct picture. It's correct that an ageing population contributes significantly to the issue, and that the OpEx costs of treating EU migrating is broadly neutral; but the CapEx costs per EU migrants are not fully covered and, mostly certainly, a significant drain is both the OpEx and CaPeX costs of non-EU immigration.

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:

Certainly was the case on the EU thread: leavers were, and continue to be, as thick as pigshit . Given the result of last week's second referendum there are even more thickies than ever before.
The thickies won but it must be hugely rewarding for the losers to continue to be far superior.

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Astute said:

What did most damage was those who told remain voters they were thick and shouting down those remain voters that tried to put their point across. It then became an argument and not a debate. And who listens to the other side on any subject and admits they might be wrong when having an argument?

I still have hope of all this bullshit being resolved. Now the vast majority of the arguing has ceased people can start talking. Hopefully they will start listening. Then the best result will be the end result.

The EU isn't in a good place. We are doing better so far than expected. But that could soon change. The bullshit needs to stop and they need to get around a table and talk. They need to reach a compromise. The end goal for everyone should be the same. Working together.

Leaving the EU can be done by name but most of it stay the same. The EU has countries not members but that wirk very closely. The EU needs our trade. The UK needs trade with the EU. So what could be so hard.....

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Dogma and prejudice that’s what’s hard

fernandopartridge said:

Honestly, you haven't got a clue about what causes the problems in the NHS. 8m people coming into the country mostly pay tax and contribute to the NHS, the problem is that the number of OAPs in the country has grown. In 25 years the number of people in the population that are retired has grown by 2.7m people, given that age brings numerous ailments they are the real reason the NHS struggles, along with deliberate under funding by the Tories.

Immigrants from within the EU have the healthcare paid for by their country of birth.

Immigrants from outside the EU pay the NHS levy.

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Also the NHS is used as a safety net by large numbers of people with lifestyle and behaviour-related diseases.
We're caught in the conundrum of people living longer but notnecessarily in good health.
EU visitors under ehic get their health costs paid by own govt. Don't think this applies to EU migrants as those working pay their contributions. Certainly UK migrants in EU need to make their own health arrangements or pay through domestic taxes