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Great_Expectations

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I understand why the question is being asked; I’m still incredibly frustrated with Saturdays result and that has happened too many times this season. However, it absolutely isn’t the time for MR to go.

My pre match posts for the last two and a bit seasons have pretty much revolved around the same point: let us play attacking football and we will win. And in short, that is my issue with MR, he is over cautious, the players are restricted and we therefore shot ourselves in the foot way too often.

Both this year and last, we have/had a team of impressive technical footballers, who when allowed look/looked unplayable at times. Even with our uninspiring strike force, if we play two up front AND MR let’s the handbrake off, we’ll start to move up the league again.

In a way that’s even more frustrating, the answer seems so simple and MR himself has clearly seen the difference it makes, yet still chooses not to utilise it.

Ultimately, he deserves our patience. But if we finish the season with a whimper and aren’t anywhere near challenging, then that patience may run out.
 
fellatio_Martinez

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Londonccfcfan said:
Gladly can’t wait to bet on it! Meet during the game at High Wycombe or Tranmere. Anyone who doubts it can DM me.
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Nonleagueherewecome

Nonleagueherewecome

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It's madness to talk about sacking him: 7th in the table, 5 points off automatic promotion, halfway through the season,1st defeat in 8 games, 3 league defeats all season. I'm amazed that this thread even exists. If it was 8 games without a win and we were just above the relegation zone, fair enough! But it would be a tremendously retrograde step when the manager is working on a long term project in difficult circumstances at a basket case of a club, and clearly making consistent progress year-on-year whilst improving players and the squad overall, as well as bringing in a lot of money in transfers to pay the bills.

There's no doubt if you look at the clubs last 3-4 seasons, he's stopped the rot (and what a rot it was!) and reversed it. I'm not quite sure why people think we suddenly have a God-given right to be running away with the division? Other than that we have a better team than we have for years and are playing good football-and who is that largely down to? The manager! He's a victim of creating higher expectations by being successful, if anything.

There's also no doubt that vastly more players have improved than gone backwards under his stewardship, most notably Mason, Hyam, Biamou, Kelly, McCallum, Shipley and Westbrooke (not to mention those we have sold for good money).

His two "marquee" signings this season, and rare experienced players in the squad, Godden and Allen, have missed a lot of games. Neither are fully match fit yet, both are class acts and both will make a difference when firing on all cylinders.

Finally, yes you can argue that St. Andrews hasn't affected us as "home" form has been so good, but I would reverse that thinking: it could, very very easily, have been a massive issue, but the manager takes huge credit for the superb home form: again, a victim of his own success rather than being credit for achievement, it's being used as a stick to beat him!

Yes he has his faults (he wouldn't be here otherwise!), most notably being too defensive and stubborn at times, but I'll take that over the myriad disasters that came with our previous dozen or more managers. He's the first one who has a coherent plan and is really any cop since Eric Black.

Expectations? Challenge for playoffs/promotion over the next two seasons. I wouldn't think about sacking him as long as we finish at least in the top half and progress can be seen to be being made, which I think it has been almost constantly throughout Robin's time in charge. If we don't go up this year, I am sure that the team will be stronger and go closer the following season, and indeed the following season after that if we don't make it up then (off the pitch financial meltdowns aside...).
 
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Nonleagueherewecome

Nonleagueherewecome

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Sky Blue Harry H said:
We have a young team with young players. We need to be supporters, rather than be ready to lay into them when something goes wrong. This thread is about the manager, but I do think it's really important that we offer a united front. what is the point of sneering ta Sunderland fans having a meltdown, then starting to fuel the flames of a 'Robins out. Taxi for Robins' campaign? We are playing better football than in our promotions season 2 seasons ago, and playing better than last season. That, for me, is improvement. Wish we could get the away league victory, just to get that monkey off our back, but (rightly or wrongly_ I feel positive about the club. I can't believe many who travelled to Ipswich midweek would contemplate ousting the manager?
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Totally agree.
 
Londonccfcfan

Londonccfcfan

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Nonleagueherewecome said:
It's madness to talk about sacking him: 7th in the table, 5 points off automatic promotion, halfway through the season,1st defeat in 8 games, 3 league defeats all season. I'm amazed that this thread even exists. If it was 8 games without a win and we were just above the relegation zone, fair enough! But it would be a tremendously retrograde step when the manager is working on a long term project in difficult circumstances at a basket case of a club, and clearly making consistent progress year-on-year whilst improving players and the squad overall, as well as bringing in a lot of money in transfers to pay the bills.

There's no doubt if you look at the clubs last 3-4 seasons, he's stopped the rot (and what a rot it was!) and reversed it. I'm not quite sure why people think we suddenly have a God-given right to be running away with the division? Other than that we have a better team than we have for years and are playing good football-and who is that largely down to? The manager! He's a victim of creating higher expectations by being successful, if anything.

There's also no doubt that vastly more players have improved than gone backwards under his stewardship, most notably Mason, Hyam, Biamou, Kelly, McCallum, Shipley and Westbrooke (not to mention those we have sold for good money).

His two "marquee" signings this season, and rare experienced players in the squad, Godden and Allen, have missed a lot of games. Neither are fully match fit yet, both are class acts and both will make a difference when firing on all cylinders.

Finally, yes you can argue that St. Andrews hasn't affected us as "home" form has been so good, but I would reverse that thinking: it could, very very easily, have been a massive issue, but the manager takes huge credit for the superb home form: again, a victim of his own success rather than being credit for achievement, it's being used as a stick to beat him!

Yes he has his faults (he wouldn't be here otherwise!), most notably being too defensive and stubborn at times, but I'll take that over the myriad disasters that came with our previous dozen or more managers. He's the first one who has a coherent plan and is really any cop since Eric Black.

Expectations? Challenge for playoffs/promotion over the next two seasons. I wouldn't think about sacking him as long as we finish at least in the top half and progress can be seen to be being made, which I think it has been almost constantly throughout Robin's time in charge. If we don't go up this year, I am sure that the team will be stronger and go closer the following season, and indeed the following season after that if we don't make it up then (off the pitch financial meltdowns aside...).
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Excellent post!
 
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hopesprings

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Nonleagueherewecome said:
It's madness to talk about sacking him: 7th in the table, 5 points off automatic promotion, halfway through the season,1st defeat in 8 games, 3 league defeats all season. I'm amazed that this thread even exists. If it was 8 games without a win and we were just above the relegation zone, fair enough! But it would be a tremendously retrograde step when the manager is working on a long term project in difficult circumstances at a basket case of a club, and clearly making consistent progress year-on-year whilst improving players and the squad overall, as well as bringing in a lot of money in transfers to pay the bills.

There's no doubt if you look at the clubs last 3-4 seasons, he's stopped the rot (and what a rot it was!) and reversed it. I'm not quite sure why people think we suddenly have a God-given right to be running away with the division? Other than that we have a better team than we have for years and are playing good football-and who is that largely down to? The manager! He's a victim of creating higher expectations by being successful, if anything.

There's also no doubt that vastly more players have improved than gone backwards under his stewardship, most notably Mason, Hyam, Biamou, Kelly, McCallum, Shipley and Westbrooke (not to mention those we have sold for good money).

His two "marquee" signings this season, and rare experienced players in the squad, Godden and Allen, have missed a lot of games. Neither are fully match fit yet, both are class acts and both will make a difference when firing on all cylinders.

Finally, yes you can argue that St. Andrews hasn't affected us as "home" form has been so good, but I would reverse that thinking: it could, very very easily, have been a massive issue, but the manager takes huge credit for the superb home form: again, a victim of his own success rather than being credit for achievement, it's being used as a stick to beat him!

Yes he has his faults (he wouldn't be here otherwise!), most notably being too defensive and stubborn at times, but I'll take that over the myriad disasters that came with our previous dozen or more managers. He's the first one who has a coherent plan and is really any cop since Eric Black.

Expectations? Challenge for playoffs/promotion over the next two seasons. I wouldn't think about sacking him as long as we finish at least in the top half and progress can be seen to be being made, which I think it has been almost constantly throughout Robin's time in charge. If we don't go up this year, I am sure that the team will be stronger and go closer the following season, and indeed the following season after that if we don't make it up then (off the pitch financial meltdowns aside...).
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Top post well done...some sanity in an insane world
 
Paxman II

Paxman II

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Very good post. A good summary. I think that Robins has created his own pressure becuase he has improved the squad so much this year and are a genuine challenger for promotion, hence the the critics when we slip up once in a while as we do at Shrewsbury or we draw too many.
I think that record is about to change for the better though. You can see what we are capable of. It's just waiting to click and yes Baka and co are not the answer but have been a needs must the last month or so. Godden and now Allen coming in will definately make the difference and Max has a big part to play too. Hiwula can be a game winner when on form and he has yet to come back in. Oh and lets not forget Jodi Jones!
Go talk to Portsmouth or Sunderland fans and ask how they are doing? Ipswich are a good side and a blip is inevitable. I don't beleive Wycombe or Bristol will sustain their positions and there are only a couple of other sides I sense could be a threat. We are one of the best teams in this league, so look forward to the tide turning for our strikers and being a consistent pain in the ass to the opposition.
 
SlowerThanPlatt

SlowerThanPlatt

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Paxman II said:
Very good post. A good summary. I think that Robins has created his own pressure becuase he has improved the squad so much this year and are a genuine challenger for promotion, hence the the critics when we slip up once in a while as we do at Shrewsbury or we draw too many.
I think that record is about to change for the better though. You can see what we are capable of. It's just waiting to click and yes Baka and co are not the answer but have been a needs must the last month or so. Godden and now Allen coming in will definately make the difference and Max has a big part to play too. Hiwula can be a game winner when on form and he has yet to come back in. Oh and lets not forget Jodi Jones!
Go talk to Portsmouth or Sunderland fans and ask how they are doing? Ipswich are a good side and a blip is inevitable. I don't beleive Wycombe or Bristol will sustain their positions and there are only a couple of other sides I sense could be a threat. We are one of the best teams in this league, so look forward to the tide turning for our strikers and being a consistent pain in the ass to the opposition.
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There was a post about a month ago that Wycombe will fall away by Christmas. In the last 10 games they’ve picked up 13 points more than us... there’s only one team falling away out of the two and it’s definitely not them.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Paxman II said:
Very good post. A good summary. I think that Robins has created his own pressure becuase he has improved the squad so much this year and are a genuine challenger for promotion, hence the the critics when we slip up once in a while as we do at Shrewsbury or we draw too many.
I think that record is about to change for the better though. You can see what we are capable of. It's just waiting to click and yes Baka and co are not the answer but have been a needs must the last month or so. Godden and now Allen coming in will definately make the difference and Max has a big part to play too. Hiwula can be a game winner when on form and he has yet to come back in. Oh and lets not forget Jodi Jones!
Go talk to Portsmouth or Sunderland fans and ask how they are doing? Ipswich are a good side and a blip is inevitable. I don't beleive Wycombe or Bristol will sustain their positions and there are only a couple of other sides I sense could be a threat. We are one of the best teams in this league, so look forward to the tide turning for our strikers and being a consistent pain in the ass to the opposition.
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So if we are one if the best teams in the league and fail to get promoted you agree the manager has underperformed?
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Had you asked me at the start of the season would I take our position right now, esp given the St Andrews move and numerous key injuries of course I would. Even the style of play is often great to see and far above what you expect from this level even if it does go awry at times. We're so close to being very good but it is a perpetual MR problem of scoring goals.

There are some issues we can improve on, but on the whole it's not going that badly.
 
Nonleagueherewecome

Nonleagueherewecome

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Grendel said:
So if we are one if the best teams in the league and fail to get promoted you agree the manager has underperformed?
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Why are we one of the best teams in the division? The manager.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Nonleagueherewecome said:
Why are we one of the best teams in the division? The manager.
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No I’d say that’s more an argument for Ainsworth surely? We are very likely to be mid table end of year and that assumes we win Saturday
 
TTG

TTG

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In think it's Mark Robins fault that he even is considered to be sacked, the bar is set so high this season, because he set it.
If you asked me that we would consider sacking him when we were bottom with Russell slade in charge, when we were a solid promotion contender, you would have been laughed out of the city!
 
OllyJWilk91

OllyJWilk91

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Nonleagueherewecome said:
It's madness to talk about sacking him: 7th in the table, 5 points off automatic promotion, halfway through the season,1st defeat in 8 games, 3 league defeats all season. I'm amazed that this thread even exists. If it was 8 games without a win and we were just above the relegation zone, fair enough! But it would be a tremendously retrograde step when the manager is working on a long term project in difficult circumstances at a basket case of a club, and clearly making consistent progress year-on-year whilst improving players and the squad overall, as well as bringing in a lot of money in transfers to pay the bills.

There's no doubt if you look at the clubs last 3-4 seasons, he's stopped the rot (and what a rot it was!) and reversed it. I'm not quite sure why people think we suddenly have a God-given right to be running away with the division? Other than that we have a better team than we have for years and are playing good football-and who is that largely down to? The manager! He's a victim of creating higher expectations by being successful, if anything.

There's also no doubt that vastly more players have improved than gone backwards under his stewardship, most notably Mason, Hyam, Biamou, Kelly, McCallum, Shipley and Westbrooke (not to mention those we have sold for good money).

His two "marquee" signings this season, and rare experienced players in the squad, Godden and Allen, have missed a lot of games. Neither are fully match fit yet, both are class acts and both will make a difference when firing on all cylinders.

Finally, yes you can argue that St. Andrews hasn't affected us as "home" form has been so good, but I would reverse that thinking: it could, very very easily, have been a massive issue, but the manager takes huge credit for the superb home form: again, a victim of his own success rather than being credit for achievement, it's being used as a stick to beat him!

Yes he has his faults (he wouldn't be here otherwise!), most notably being too defensive and stubborn at times, but I'll take that over the myriad disasters that came with our previous dozen or more managers. He's the first one who has a coherent plan and is really any cop since Eric Black.

Expectations? Challenge for playoffs/promotion over the next two seasons. I wouldn't think about sacking him as long as we finish at least in the top half and progress can be seen to be being made, which I think it has been almost constantly throughout Robin's time in charge. If we don't go up this year, I am sure that the team will be stronger and go closer the following season, and indeed the following season after that if we don't make it up then (off the pitch financial meltdowns aside...).
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Brilliant post bro, you should be an official football journalist, tip top!
 
Grendel

Grendel

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OllyJWilk91 said:
Brilliant post bro, you should be an official football journalist, tip top!
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Yeah he thought Bigi was worth £35m and Sean Dyche would have been a step back from Andy Thorn
 
Nonleagueherewecome

Nonleagueherewecome

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Grendel said:
Yeah he thought Bigi was worth £35m and Sean Dyche would have been a step back from Andy Thorn
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Ha you're so sad! I said Bigi had the potential to be worth sumat like that, which lets face it is an average Prem player now. Which Newcastle obviously thought too. Only he went very much off the rails and turned out to be a total dud. It happens, the game is full of such players. And regarding Dyche, I think I said that I just find his voice really annoying-which I do!

Get a life you loser.
 
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Finham

Finham

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Nonleagueherewecome said:
It's madness to talk about sacking him: 7th in the table, 5 points off automatic promotion, halfway through the season,1st defeat in 8 games, 3 league defeats all season. I'm amazed that this thread even exists. If it was 8 games without a win and we were just above the relegation zone, fair enough! But it would be a tremendously retrograde step when the manager is working on a long term project in difficult circumstances at a basket case of a club, and clearly making consistent progress year-on-year whilst improving players and the squad overall, as well as bringing in a lot of money in transfers to pay the bills.

There's no doubt if you look at the clubs last 3-4 seasons, he's stopped the rot (and what a rot it was!) and reversed it. I'm not quite sure why people think we suddenly have a God-given right to be running away with the division? Other than that we have a better team than we have for years and are playing good football-and who is that largely down to? The manager! He's a victim of creating higher expectations by being successful, if anything.

There's also no doubt that vastly more players have improved than gone backwards under his stewardship, most notably Mason, Hyam, Biamou, Kelly, McCallum, Shipley and Westbrooke (not to mention those we have sold for good money).

His two "marquee" signings this season, and rare experienced players in the squad, Godden and Allen, have missed a lot of games. Neither are fully match fit yet, both are class acts and both will make a difference when firing on all cylinders.

Finally, yes you can argue that St. Andrews hasn't affected us as "home" form has been so good, but I would reverse that thinking: it could, very very easily, have been a massive issue, but the manager takes huge credit for the superb home form: again, a victim of his own success rather than being credit for achievement, it's being used as a stick to beat him!

Yes he has his faults (he wouldn't be here otherwise!), most notably being too defensive and stubborn at times, but I'll take that over the myriad disasters that came with our previous dozen or more managers. He's the first one who has a coherent plan and is really any cop since Eric Black.

Expectations? Challenge for playoffs/promotion over the next two seasons. I wouldn't think about sacking him as long as we finish at least in the top half and progress can be seen to be being made, which I think it has been almost constantly throughout Robin's time in charge. If we don't go up this year, I am sure that the team will be stronger and go closer the following season, and indeed the following season after that if we don't make it up then (off the pitch financial meltdowns aside...).
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Well said. We are hardly in crisis on the pitch and Robins deserves the faith of the fans.
 
DannyThomas_1981

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Grendel said:
No I’d say that’s more an argument for Ainsworth surely? We are very likely to be mid table end of year and that assumes we win Saturday
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Look moron as has been evident for some time it's obvious that nothing makes you happier when the team loses. Gives you a chance to deride certain players or amazingly hint that Robins be replaced. You clearly want us to finish mid table or lower to prove whatever fcuked up point you are trying to make.

Seriously I'm not sure why you even bother supporting us. It's a complete mystery. A fan who is only happy when we lose. It's really fcuked up.

As others have said, we have an exciting team, the football is pleasing on the eye and we are still in with a great chance this season even after injuries to some of our most important players. Let's support the manager, let's support the lads on the pitch and with this squad great things are possible.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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DannyThomas_1981 said:
Look moron as has been evident for some time it's obvious that nothing makes you happier when the team loses. Gives you a chance to deride certain players or amazingly hint that Robins be replaced. You clearly want us to finish mid table or lower to prove whatever fcuked up point you are trying to make.

Seriously I'm not sure why you even bother supporting us. It's a complete mystery. A fan who is only happy when we lose. It's really fcuked up.

As others have said, we have an exciting team, the football is pleasing on the eye and we are still in with a great chance this season even after injuries to some of our most important players. Let's support the manager, let's support the lads on the pitch and with this squad great things are possible.
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Wow I’m the only fan who goes to games and critics the manager

Well I do at least go to games which is more than can be said about you
 
ccfctommy

ccfctommy

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Saw Gareth Ainsworths name mentioned on here. Wasn't that long ago Wycombe fans were not too happy with him from what I've read.
 
BackRoomRummermill

BackRoomRummermill

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There is no doubt if we are sat mid table this time next month and out of the FA cup this will change a few minds, however we could be top 6 and still in the cup , I only care about getting promoted , is MR capable of working well in the Jan window ? Can he pull a cat out of a bag to create a team to go and get promoted , this is the measure of a good manager I believe.
 
letsallsingtogether

letsallsingtogether

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DannyThomas_1981 said:
Look moron as has been evident for some time it's obvious that nothing makes you happier when the team loses. Gives you a chance to deride certain players or amazingly hint that Robins be replaced. You clearly want us to finish mid table or lower to prove whatever fcuked up point you are trying to make.

Seriously I'm not sure why you even bother supporting us. It's a complete mystery. A fan who is only happy when we lose. It's really fcuked up.

As others have said, we have an exciting team, the football is pleasing on the eye and we are still in with a great chance this season even after injuries to some of our most important players. Let's support the manager, let's support the lads on the pitch and with this squad great things are possible.
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You got him exactly right.
 
TTG

TTG

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Grendel said:
Biamou is at best a third choice striker at this level. He may have a role in coming on as a sub to mix it up but he’s never going to have enough pace or ability to last 90 minutes but it’s so bad he’s the best we’ve actually got probably in that role
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"At least I actually go to games"

if you supported the team and not just screaming at the players then you would know that biamou has scored 6 in his last 7
 
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