Oh and a Tory supporting Leaver calling me a bigot LOL
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Oh and a Tory supporting Leaver calling me a bigot LOL
For a sizeable minority, Brexit is the only thing they have left - a legitimate concern of course, but some people take this to be an endorsement that they can be rid of all immigrants and shut down anything perceived as unpatriotic e.g. questions about the Monarchy. They still live with the illusion of grandeur that Britain lost in the 1950s. It kind of reminds me of one of Professor Green's documentaries on working class people last year. For some, including the homeless, their alliance with groups such as 'Britain First' is the only thing keeping them going. Kind of reminds me of those pub guys who are racist until someone like Anthony Joshua turns up and they screech 'Cam on sann do it for ye cantrehh'.
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skybluegod
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I didn't say the conservatives are delivering it? But the Labour way wasn't going to either as much as Corbyn may say that it will.
We will never know, but it would have been a lot closer possibly.
mark82
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Sturgeon yesterday was saying she would rather do it with cooperation from Westminster but she believes it is a decision for Scottish parliament. At the very least it's going to get extremely messy.
Many in Scotland may have changed their vote based on leaving the EU. I certainly would in their position.
I asked you to post some forecasts that show how much better we will be after Brexit and your response is to say that we won't be quite as worse off as some have said? Right.
clint van damme
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fatso
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Have you not read the Jewish times lately?
I know exactly what report you are referring to and I know that the £4,300 figure does not mean every household will literally be £4,300 worse off, and I never said it does.
But that report does say the country's economy would shrink considerably.
I said all forecasts show that we will be worse off.
You said they don't.
You then, to try and prove your point, directed me to a forecast which shows.... that we will be worse off.
You've tied yourself in knots and made yourself look silly.
tisza
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not true. Some remainers couldn't bring themselves to vote elsewhere the same as some Leavers couldn't bring themselves to vote Tory.
clint van damme
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many Jews think Corbyn is antisemitic, there are plenty that don't.
To attribute a people with only one collective train of thought is racist. It's almost as if you're trying to weaponise antisemitism without understanding it.
Same as antisemites on the left who assume all Jewish people support Israel in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
What you've done is exactly the same only coming at it from a different political perspective.
Ian1779
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It wasn’t about it being Corbyn, it was about the policies and vision and him being the first to bring them to the table. In the future Labour have to retain the majority (not all) of those ideas if they ever want to be a force in government.
NorthernWisdom
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Edwin Montagu, Jewish MP and Cabinet member in the Liberal government, thought the foundation of Israel to be an anti-semitic act.
Just thought I'd add some history
Sky Blue Pete
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Gutted genuinely deeply upset at the result. Can’t believe mining communities are willing to let Boris shaft them. Today is a new day but I’m genuinely gutted that we have elected Boris and his chums to shaft the poor, marginalised and vulnerable in our communities for a further 5 years
Philosorapter
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And with this, I fully put myself forward as SkyBluesTalk's political nerd for the month.
If I ever do get back to Coventry from my current residence I hope the Labour Party in Coventry is ready for the absolute bollocking it's going to get.
I do fancy being a councillor
Sky Blue Pete
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Step up . I feel the same about getting involved more in the local communityAnd with this, I fully put myself forward as SkyBluesTalk's political nerd for the month.
If I ever do get back to Coventry from my current residence I hope the Labour Party in Coventry is ready for the absolute bollocking it's going to get.
I do fancy being a councillor
Does it? Please post a screenshot or text that says this.
Because I am looking at it right now and every form of Brexit leaves the economy worse off.
And ironically, it says we will be even worse off if we implement Brexit and reduce the net immigration of EEA workers to zero, which Brexiteers are so keen to do.
Grendel
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Does it? Please post a screenshot or text that says this.
Because I am looking at it right now and every form of Brexit leaves the economy worse off.
And ironically, it says we will be even worse off if we implement Brexit and reduce the net immigration of EEA workers to zero, which Brexiteers are so keen to do.
Does it? Please post a screenshot or text that says this.
Because I am looking at it right now and every form of Brexit leaves the economy worse off.
And ironically, it says we will be even worse off if we implement Brexit and reduce the net immigration of EEA workers to zero, which Brexiteers are so keen to do.
Well you read the original report so what was the growth rate in that report assumed per annum?
I've just posted the evidence that the economy is predicted to shrink.
I'm still waiting for your evidence that the economy is expected to grow.
I don't know if you are being genuine or just messing, but it says:
"Modelled EEA-type scenario is not shown because the illustrative zero net inflows of EEA workers migration scenario does not apply to the modelled EEA-type scenario"
Does it? Please post a screenshot or text that says this.
Because I am looking at it right now and every form of Brexit leaves the economy worse off.
And ironically, it says we will be even worse off if we implement Brexit and reduce the net immigration of EEA workers to zero, which Brexiteers are so keen to do.
I would never try to argue that Brexit won’t have any negative impacts on the UK (at some point it has/will but hopefully businesses will adapt etc etc), however, from memory since the referendum vote the wage increases for the lower paid//‘working class’ have increased significantly (as a percentage a lot more than higher earners) due to a reduction of lower paid workers from the EU.
If they have seen this then why wouldn’t they continue to think brexit is a good idea ?!
Brighton Sky Blue
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Tell me what the Tories have done to or for the mining communities of the north over the past 50 years. In fact tell me what good they have done for anyone outside the Home Counties.
God I wish I could emigrate
fatso
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Why can’t you?
Grendel
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It’s not the growth rate assumptions in the £4,300 report are to grow but over the 10 year period at a rate of 0.6% a year less than in the Eu - the reduction is best on an assumption of less inward investment mainly from India and Japan
The IFS have said this analysis is based of flawed assumptions and factors no benefit from additional trading elsewhere
So it’s on assumptions that are non existent on alternate trade deals and any economic additions this will bring.
The figures assume LESS growth against a static EU modelling not DECLINING and shrinking of the economy
It also makes assumptions on contribution into the EU as a cost against the growth which again we do not know
It also makes zero assumption on benefit of trade externally through currency changes and a stagnating fiscal policy
it makes no assumptions on the impact of increased fiscal convergence - eg corporation tax tightening of bands
It’s assumptions on migration have been questioned
So it’s not assuming a shrinking but reduced growth from a flawed base which the IFS said should never have even been produced
Stick to lee burge adulation
Grendel, if you want to take the IFS as gospel then I assume you fully agree with them when they say...
"Revoking Brexit would lead to the best economic outcome."
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You can argue about other aspects of Brexit all you like, but there is absolutely no way you can say that Brexit leaves us better off economically. It's simply not true, as every report and forecast says, like I said originally.
"Revoking Brexit would lead to the best economic outcome."
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You can argue about other aspects of Brexit all you like, but there is absolutely no way you can say that Brexit leaves us better off economically. It's simply not true, as every report and forecast says, like I said originally.
fernandopartridge
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He's staged a phone in this morning asking lifelong Labour voters why they felt they had to vote Tory.
fatso
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Why would it go wrong?
