Ponticelli - Call the poor guy back now (1 Viewer)

Grendel · Dec 12, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Really? So he didn't put chances in the net when playing for our U18's? Or when he's played for the U23's? Or have a good goal per minute ratio in our first team on limited appearances and time as a sub? When exactly has he consistently failed to score when playing?

I hate to break it to you but this is adults football now and oddly every manager he’s worked with do not consider him his enough - which tells me something

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2019

Grendel said:
I hate to break it to you but this is adults football now and oddly every manager he’s worked with do not consider him his enough - which tells me something

Don't deflect. I asked when he's played for us at any level when has he failed to put the ball in the net on a pretty consistent basis.

fernandopartridge · Dec 12, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Apart from putting chances away consistently. Not like we need anyone who can do that at the moment is there?

Strikers don't just stand still and chances come to them

fernandopartridge · Dec 12, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Really? So he didn't put chances in the net when playing for our U18's? Or when he's played for the U23's? Or have a good goal per minute ratio in our first team on limited appearances and time as a sub? When exactly has he consistently failed to score when playing?

The u23 games are a practice match, the pace they're played at and the intensity is nothing like proper competitive football.

Grendel · Dec 12, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Don't deflect. I asked when he's played for us at any level when has he failed to put the ball in the net on a pretty consistent basis.

He’s played 24 league games and scored in 2 - he’s utter rubbish and it’s laughable when people’s stock improves by not playing

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2019

Grendel said:
He’s played 24 league games and scored in 2 - he’s utter rubbish and it’s laughable when people’s stock improves by not playing

Amount of actual time he's been on the pitch in those matches

Grendel · Dec 12, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Amount of actual time he's been on the pitch in those matches

Irrelevant he’s rubbish

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Strikers don't just stand still and chances come to them

fernandopartridge said:
The u23 games are a practice match, the pace they're played at and the intensity is nothing like proper competitive football.

Doesn't explain his GPM being the best out of all our strikers last time he was a regular member of the first team squad.

Grendel · Dec 12, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Indeed they are. Doesn't explain his GPM being the best out of all our strikers last time he was a regular member of the first team squad.

It proves the stat is irrelevant

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2019

Grendel said:
Irrelevant he’s rubbish

Really isn't. Remember that guy Solksjaer that used to play for Man U and scored regularly from off the bench - god he was shit wasn't he.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2019

Grendel said:
It proves the stat is irrelevant

All it proves is you want the stat to be irrelevant. Please answer the question on how many ACTUAL minutes he's played.

Grendel · Dec 12, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
All it proves is you want the stat to be irrelevant. Please answer the question on how many ACTUAL minutes he's played.

Adam me Fondre is a better forward in the premier league than Alan Shearer - he has scored in 2 games you clown

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2019

Grendel said:
Adam me Fondre is a better forward in the premier league than Alan Shearer - he has scored in 2 games you clown

And? I never said it was the only consideration. Van Gogh was a shit artist - only ever sold one of his paintings.

covboy1987 · Dec 12, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
All it proves is you want the stat to be irrelevant. Please answer the question on how many ACTUAL minutes he's played.

Ponticelli has played a total of 776 minutes for Cov

SBbucks · Dec 12, 2019

The debate is hypothetical. He looked out of his depth during his rare appearances in League 2 and Robins isn't going to pick him in League 1. Simple really.

TTG · Dec 12, 2019

covboy1987 said:
Ponticelli has played a total of 776 minutes for Cov

Jesus wept that is less than Stuart Beavon's goals per minute at cov.

fernandopartridge · Dec 12, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Doesn't explain his GPM being the best out of all our strikers last time he was a regular member of the first team squad.

The sample size is tiny in his case, fucking hell it isn't difficult

MalcSB · Dec 13, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Because we're a team who's missing piece is someone to stick the plethora of chances we get in the net. Tranmere are scrapping away and just looking to create the odd chance to nick a win after defending for the entire game.

Two entirely different scenarios requiring different types of player.

Neither of which is Ponticelli.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Dec 13, 2019

Craig Reid banged in goals for the U23s/Reserves - just saying

covboy1987 · Dec 13, 2019

Grendel said:
I hate to break it to you but this is adults football now and oddly every manager he’s worked with do not consider him his enough - which tells me something

He's worked for four managers in the football league Mark Robins - Mark yates at Macclesfield who was sacked shortly after he arrived and Sol Campbell who took over - His loan spell at Macclesfield was a write off as he was injured the majority of his time - He then went to Tranmere and played 45 mins

covboy1987 · Dec 13, 2019

If you want a mirror image of Ponticelli and how his career might progress, then many might remember Paul Culpin - A fans favourite, and the questions were the same why is he not getting game time? - Paul played 9 games for Cov 2 goals and then went onto play for Northampton 23 goals 63 appearances Peterborough 14 goals 47 appearances - He made his name at Nuneaton Borough who played in what is now the National League he scored an incredible 131 goals in 150 games in his first stint and went back after his football league experience and scored 72 goals in 102 games

PCH · Dec 13, 2019

covboy1987 said:
If you want a mirror image of Ponticelli and how his career might progress, then many might remember Paul Culpin - A fans favourite, and the questions were the same why is he not getting game time? - Paul played 9 games for Cov 2 goals and then went onto play for Northampton 23 goals 63 appearances Peterborough 14 goals 47 appearances - He made his name at Nuneaton Borough who played in what is now the National League he scored an incredible 131 goals in 150 games in his first stint and went back after his football league experience and scored 72 goals in 102 games

He also stepped up to the top flight from non league . Massive jump

MalcSB · Dec 13, 2019

covboy1987 said:
If you want a mirror image of Ponticelli and how his career might progress, then many might remember Paul Culpin - A fans favourite, and the questions were the same why is he not getting game time? - Paul played 9 games for Cov 2 goals and then went onto play for Northampton 23 goals 63 appearances Peterborough 14 goals 47 appearances - He made his name at Nuneaton Borough who played in what is now the National League he scored an incredible 131 goals in 150 games in his first stint and went back after his football league experience and scored 72 goals in 102 games

How many divisions was that drop from ccfc though? Equivalent of non league given where we are now?

Sick Boy · Dec 13, 2019

Wow can’t believe some of the comparisons being made between JP and world class players. We looked out of his depth in League 2 and considering we’re trying to get promoted, he is certainly nowhere good enough for us.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 13, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
The sample size is tiny in his case, fucking hell it isn't difficult

But what evidence in that small sample size suggests it isn't worth increasing the sample size for further analysis?

Johhny Blue · Dec 13, 2019

Grendel said:
Irrelevant he’s rubbish

Is that better than shite?

Grendel · Dec 13, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But what evidence in that small sample size suggests it isn't worth increasing the sample size for further analysis?

The fact all managers who see him never pick him - so a sample size of managers - 100% conclude not good enough

I trust their collective judgement above your delusions

cc84cov · Dec 13, 2019

Grendel said:
The fact all managers who see him never pick him - so a sample size of managers - 100% conclude not good enough

I trust their collective judgement above your delusions

Managers who see him day to day in training alongside our other strikers he’s still in the development stages feel but that loan to Tranmere I felt at the tjme was the wrong one

johnwillomagic · Dec 13, 2019

Yep get him back put him out of his misery and release him to Coventry United he is nowhere near good enough at league level!

However no reason why he couldn't get back to league level if he proves himself consistanlty at a lower level!

larry_david · Dec 14, 2019

Second half of season loan him out to league 2 or conf, run of games then we judge.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 14, 2019

Grendel said:
The fact all managers who see him never pick him - so a sample size of managers - 100% conclude not good enough

I trust their collective judgement above your delusions

Another deflection from the point made. What in his actual playing time and scoring record suggests he doesn't deserve more game time?

Why don't you trust our manager's belief in Biamou but not in JCH?

Grendel · Dec 14, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Another deflection from the point made. What in his actual playing time and scoring record suggests he doesn't deserve more game time?

Why don't you trust our manager's belief in Biamou but not in JCH?

Are you his boyfriend

Gazolba · Dec 14, 2019

He was on Tranmere's bench again today but did not get any game time, despite the fact Tranmere desperately needed goals and ended up losing 1-0.

Hobo · Dec 14, 2019

I havent seen anything to suggest we should pull him back, put him in our team and he would be the answer.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 15, 2019

Grendel said:
Are you his boyfriend

I do find it amazing that you tell people to grow up and be more adult then resort to playground insults.

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