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Philosorapter

Philosorapter

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So I've voted.

I'm in a seat between two remainers, SNP and Scottish Labour, and the vote can go to either side.

As I have known from the start of this General Election, where I am, Brexit is not going to be a issue in the election when returning someone to Parliament.

Roll on the Beeb tonight.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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derbyskyblue said:
Well ill be honest , just been out to vote labour, jezza is not really my cup of tea but i couldnt vote for doris and his austerity, zero hours contracts and more foodbanks shit , which i think if he gets a sizable majority will really ramp up.
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Zero hours contracts were brought in by labour!!
 
chiefdave

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NorthernWisdom said:
When this campaign began, there were a fair few of us who probably thought Corbyn would run an energetic, vibrant campaign, as he did last time. This time around however he's seemed flat - maybe he's been told to appear more statesmanlike? I think it's safe to say that a number of us (including a fair few of the half-sane Tory voters) would have expected Johnson's past to catch up with him, his lies to be noticed, and his tedious mantra to go the same way as May's.
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Said early on that the Conservatives biggest problem would be hiding the likes of Johnson and Rees-Mogg. Never for a second did I imagine they would literally hide them away to the point that the PM is on live TV running off to hide in a fridge to avoid answering questions.

Even if I had thought that I would have assumed the public would have seen that and it would have made him an unelectable laughing stock.
 
Grendel

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theferret said:
I don't think she's well, there have been rumours along those lines. If so, and Labour win office, I hope she stands aside. Never liked her, I find her politics divisive , but if she is poorly (big if) then she should be left alone.
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There is definitely an issue and there are rumours
 
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theferret

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chiefdave said:
Said early on that the Conservatives biggest problem would be hiding the likes of Johnson and Rees-Mogg. Never for a second did I imagine they would literally hide them away to the point that the PM is on live TV running off to hide in a fridge to avoid answering questions.

Even if I had thought that I would have assumed the public would have seen that and it would have made him an unelectable laughing stock.
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I don't think he has been hidden away, he has been front and centre for the most part - the election broadcasts has almost exclusively featured him speaking direct to camera. They have, however, shielded him from the one-to-one interviews in which he struggles, and the unscripted stuff when he is gaff prone.

The implication seems to be that Boris is an electoral liability, when I think the opposite is true. Had it been Raab or Javid fronting the Tory campaign I think they'd have lost. He also won two elections in left-leaning London, so he clearly has appeal.

Boris does connect with some people, they like the good-humour and positivity he exudes (not saying that makes him fit for office, but it does play well), unlike Corbyn with his 'everything is shit' mantras. It is also very un-Trump like, so that comparison doesn't wash, because Trump ran an extremely negative campaign (not just negative in relation to the opposition, because the Tories have done that too), but negative in policy and rhetoric.

The thing is, Boris is nothing like the extremist people have tried to suggest he is, that tactic has back-fired, because it happens not to be true. Boris has a chequered past, and has be caught out a number of times telling porkies. However, he is also, quite genuinely, pretty centrist and liberal in his world view. He is from the one-nation school of Tories, people believe that, it is why he won in London.

All that said, I sense the tide is turning a little. Could well be a surprise outcome tonight.
 
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theferret

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fernandopartridge said:
Yeah that's why they've trebled the debt of course, the deficit is now going up again rather than down, the £ is devalued and homelessness and poverty on the rise. Clown.
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The deficit is down from 150 billion to 21 billion, but it is starting to rise again because the government is starting to spend and borrow more. Isn't that what you want them to do?

Any devaluing of sterling will be nothing on what will happen tonight if Labour win. I think we'd see a run on the pound, which might just be a temporary reaction, but it would happen I think.
 
fernandopartridge

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theferret said:
The deficit is down from 150 billion to 21 billion, but it is starting to rise again because the government is starting to spend and borrow more. Isn't that what you want them to do?

Any devaluing of sterling will be nothing on what will happen tonight if Labour win. I think we'd see a run on the pound, which might just be a temporary reaction, but it would happen I think.
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Come on. They're borrowing more because they've wobbled the economy with the Brexit charade, it isn't productive spending.

As for the run on the pound, have you got any more lined from the "Tory scaremonger lines for beginners"
 
skybluetony176

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theferret said:
The deficit is down from 150 billion to 21 billion, but it is starting to rise again because the government is starting to spend and borrow more. Isn't that what you want them to do?

Any devaluing of sterling will be nothing on what will happen tonight if Labour win. I think we'd see a run on the pound, which might just be a temporary reaction, but it would happen I think.
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It’s massively up as a percentage of GDP though isn’t it? That being the case the country could afford the £150B more than it can the current £21B.
 
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theferret

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fernandopartridge said:
Come on. They're borrowing more because they've wobbled the economy with the Brexit charade, it isn't productive spending.

As for the run on the pound, have you got any more lined from the "Tory scaremonger lines for beginners"
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I don't know how you can look at the spending plans and argue they're not 'productive'. I'm not sure where you're going with that point. Much of the extra money is being invested in infrastructure and public services.

There would be a run of the pound, that is widely accepted because it is all about confidence. A hung parliament may also see a reaction. The FTSE would take a hammering I'm sure. That may not really be an issue because it may recover quickly. There would be a loss of confidence and there would possibly be a short term flow of money out of the country though, it almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You're a reasonable and intelligent bloke so I think you do yourself a disservice by labelling those who perhaps take a different view as idiots. There is a lot of middle ground here.
 
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theferret

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skybluetony176 said:
It’s massively up as a percentage of GDP though isn’t it? That being the case the country could afford the £150B more than it can the current £21B.
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Yes and no, although the cost of borrowing is very low at the minute. I'll be honest, I'm not an economist, and those that are seem to disagree with each other. I did try to read and better understand macroeconomics once, but it made my head hurt and there were dougnuts in the fridge.

I guess my point is, and this is perhaps why Labour have been fairly quiet on the economy, is that a change of government usually comes about during an time of economic strife. The situation we have at the moment is far from ideal; however, we do have high employment/low unemployment, wages are rising, inflation is low, interest rates are low, tax revenues are high - so overall it is a pretty benign picture (relatively speaking, certainly when compared to 79/97/2010), so it would be quite unusual to see a change of government now (from an historical perspective), but these are strange times I guess.
 
fernandopartridge

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theferret said:
I don't know how you can look at the spending plans and argue they're not 'productive'. I'm not sure where you're going with that point. Much of the extra money is being invested in infrastructure and public services.

There would be a run of the pound, that is widely accepted because it is all about confidence. A hung parliament may also see a reaction. The FTSE would take a hammering I'm sure. That may not really be an issue because it may recover quickly. There would be a loss of confidence and there would possibly be a short term flow of money out of the country though, it almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You're a reasonable and intelligent bloke so I think you do yourself a disservice by labelling those who perhaps take a different view as idiots. There is a lot of middle ground here.
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The thing that annoys me about it is that the shift in orthodoxy has been completely unreported. After years of nonsense about Osborne and others on the need to wipe out the deficit it suddenly isn't an issue. All that austerity and suffering for nothing. The increase in the deficit most recently mostly wasn't planned and has been a result of the government's own mishandling of Brexit since 2015.

Dom is an idiot by the way. I'm not being unreasonable by saying it.
 
Grendel

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shmmeee said:
If it’s not the government of the days fault, who the fucks is it??
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Odd as at local level you are always shielding council officials from their critics and suggesting absurd political conspiracies
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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chiefdave said:
Lets face it. If half the stuff happening now was in the Thick Of It people who have stopped watching and said it had gone too far!
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The same was said of Yes Minister and Spitting Image. Said there was stuff they thought about doing but deciding against because it was too far fetched then reality has thrown up far more absurd things than they had thought up.
 
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