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SkyblueBazza

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skybluetony176 said:
I see Boris the chicken has pulled out of a public meeting because 5 whole protesters turned up.
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All it really shows though is that supporters from the other parties like a bloody good shout & we all know what they say about empty heads...perhaps there are fewer empty heads among Tory voters? Or maybe they just have better things to do than pointlessly rant & bawl in public

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Astute

Astute

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fernandopartridge said:
You and the dullard who made the meme don't understand PFI (the Tory designed system).
The worst thing New Labour did was embrace PFI but they did it to appease the ridiculous right wing press obsessed with keeping public spending down, as by its nature PFI stays off the treasury balance sheet.
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Do you seriously think this?

It is all to do with borrowing against GDP. Long term it is seen as best to keep below 77% otherwise it has an effect on the economy. We are currently up to about 81%. About 5% of government spending goes on paying interest on what is owed.

In 1991 it was down to just over 20%. The lower the debt the more there is to spend. Put debt up too high and there is less to spend. More cuts are needed or debt runs out of control. Look at Italy and Greece for example. France is going the same way. Their debt has gone up to 98% of GDP. Have you seen all the strikes going on in France? My 18 year old had Thursday off school because they were on strike. There is a fuel shortage over a lit of France. Only about 10% of trains are running. Flights are being cancelled. And the list is much longer.

But we are so concerned in what is going on in the UK that most people haven't noticed. It is all about reducing debt to GDP. The debt to GDP that you make out doesn't matter.

And this is the problem of raising debt to GDP. What level of debt to GDP would we have if Labour did everything they promise?

Has anyone ever been in debt? Do you have to borrow more because a lot of your income goes on debt repayments? It soon spirals out of control. You can either bury your head in the sand or try to sort it out. To sort it out you need to cut your spending. Just the same as a country that tries to pay debt down.
 
Flying Fokker

Flying Fokker

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Heart says not Conservatives. Head says not Labour.
The country has had 10 years of austerity. And possibly a few more to come. The influx of people from Europe since 1997 has contributed to this. I saw a figure of between 8 and 12 million more people. No wonder it takes three weeks to get a drs appt. supporting a sickly nation. Labour is quite right in wanting to care for people...But we end up spending until people elect a conservative gov.

I don’t want another period of high spending on social care if it means 10 years off Conservatives following behind tidying up. Equally I think something has to give because there are so many people struggling to make ends meet...But it’s always been like that and welfare dependence will always be.

I was talking to some Asian people who are proud of this country. They think there are too many people coming in and taking jobs from graduates!

At the same time I see Eastern European’s being paid National Minimum wages in factories that once employed people on better pay. Unfortunately they will make their money and return to the country of origin and will be sitting pretty. They’ll pay taxes if they earn enough.

So it comes down to who I tolerate more....

I went to a hustings a few years ago. The Labour Party candidate was bitter and far from personable.

it seems the same in the leadership. Plus Dianne Abbott and John McDonnell have their flaws, and this other nob that keeps popping up at election debates arguing with people behind the scenes.

Boris is a blundering, mixed up so and so....but someone is pulling his strings.

Andrew Neill and Andrew Marr are not on the ballot paper. So it’s going to be the least worse option for me.
 
Otis

Otis

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Flying Fokker said:
Heart says not Conservatives. Head says not Labour.
The country has had 10 years of austerity. And possibly a few more to come. The influx of people from Europe since 1997 has contributed to this. I saw a figure of between 8 and 12 million more people. No wonder it takes three weeks to get a drs appt. supporting a sickly nation. Labour is quite right in wanting to care for people...But we end up spending until people elect a conservative gov.

I don’t want another period of high spending on social care if it means 10 years off Conservatives following behind tidying up. Equally I think something has to give because there are so many people struggling to make ends meet...But it’s always been like that and welfare dependence will always be.

I was talking to some Asian people who are proud of this country. They think there are too many people coming in and taking jobs from graduates!

At the same time I see Eastern European’s being paid National Minimum wages in factories that once employed people on better pay. Unfortunately they will make their money and return to the country of origin and will be sitting pretty. They’ll pay taxes if they earn enough.

So it comes down to who I tolerate more....

I went to a hustings a few years ago. The Labour Party candidate was bitter and far from personable.

it seems the same in the leadership. Plus Dianne Abbott and John McDonnell have their flaws, and this other nob that keeps popping up at election debates arguing with people behind the scenes.

Boris is a blundering, mixed up so and so....but someone is pulling his strings.

Andrew Neill and Andrew Marr are not on the ballot paper. So it’s going to be the least worse option for me.
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Terrible though isn't it, when you are having to choose the least worst option, rather than a party and leader you can have faith in.
 
skyblue1991

skyblue1991

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Not convinced by either party but going to vote conservatives.

What Labour are proposing sounds great on paper, but with what capital? Also locally, what have labour actually done for Coventry? Selling the Ricoh to Wasps for a start!

People blame the tories for cutting services in the 9/10 years they've been in government but from what I understand that's due to labour overspending between 97-10

To be honest it doesn't matter in Coventry anyway: guaranteed labour seat.

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SkyBlueCharlie9

SkyBlueCharlie9

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Flying Fokker said:
Heart says not Conservatives. Head says not Labour.
The country has had 10 years of austerity. And possibly a few more to come. The influx of people from Europe since 1997 has contributed to this. I saw a figure of between 8 and 12 million more people. No wonder it takes three weeks to get a drs appt. supporting a sickly nation. Labour is quite right in wanting to care for people...But we end up spending until people elect a conservative gov.

I don’t want another period of high spending on social care if it means 10 years off Conservatives following behind tidying up. Equally I think something has to give because there are so many people struggling to make ends meet...But it’s always been like that and welfare dependence will always be.

I was talking to some Asian people who are proud of this country. They think there are too many people coming in and taking jobs from graduates!

At the same time I see Eastern European’s being paid National Minimum wages in factories that once employed people on better pay. Unfortunately they will make their money and return to the country of origin and will be sitting pretty. They’ll pay taxes if they earn enough.

So it comes down to who I tolerate more....

I went to a hustings a few years ago. The Labour Party candidate was bitter and far from personable.

it seems the same in the leadership. Plus Dianne Abbott and John McDonnell have their flaws, and this other nob that keeps popping up at election debates arguing with people behind the scenes.

Boris is a blundering, mixed up so and so....but someone is pulling his strings.

Andrew Neill and Andrew Marr are not on the ballot paper. So it’s going to be the least worse option for me.
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And not one mention about the enourmous contribution those people have made to the UK economy and tax. The fact that the Tory's especially, don't like collecting taxes off the rich and big business and love spunking cash on defence is the reason that doctors, schools, local government have not been properly invested in since 2010.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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skyblue1991 said:
Not convinced by either party but going to vote conservatives.

What Labour are proposing sounds great on paper, but with what capital? Also locally, what have labour actually done for Coventry? Selling the Ricoh to Wasps for a start!

People blame the tories for cutting services in the 9/10 years they've been in government but from what I understand that's due to labour overspending between 97-10

To be honest it doesn't matter in Coventry anyway: guaranteed labour seat.

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Does the overspending include the years they made a surplus or just the financial crisis caused by American crooks on Wall St?
 
Astute

Astute

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Otis said:
Terrible though isn't it, when you are having to choose the least worst option, rather than a party and leader you can have faith in.
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And this is where I am stuck.

We can't afford to spend the hundreds of billions that Labour promise to spend. But we also can't afford the needy to suffer any longer. It needs to stop now.

The privatisation of the NHS needs to be reversed. But this would cost many billions. And it isn't a vote winner so it won't happen.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Astute said:
Do you seriously think this?

It is all to do with borrowing against GDP. Long term it is seen as best to keep below 77% otherwise it has an effect on the economy. We are currently up to about 81%. About 5% of government spending goes on paying interest on what is owed.

In 1991 it was down to just over 20%. The lower the debt the more there is to spend. Put debt up too high and there is less to spend. More cuts are needed or debt runs out of control. Look at Italy and Greece for example. France is going the same way. Their debt has gone up to 98% of GDP. Have you seen all the strikes going on in France? My 18 year old had Thursday off school because they were on strike. There is a fuel shortage over a lit of France. Only about 10% of trains are running. Flights are being cancelled. And the list is much longer.

But we are so concerned in what is going on in the UK that most people haven't noticed. It is all about reducing debt to GDP. The debt to GDP that you make out doesn't matter.

And this is the problem of raising debt to GDP. What level of debt to GDP would we have if Labour did everything they promise?

Has anyone ever been in debt? Do you have to borrow more because a lot of your income goes on debt repayments? It soon spirals out of control. You can either bury your head in the sand or try to sort it out. To sort it out you need to cut your spending. Just the same as a country that tries to pay debt down.
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‘Cut more so you can spend more’
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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skyblue1991 said:
Not convinced by either party but going to vote conservatives.

What Labour are proposing sounds great on paper, but with what capital? Also locally, what have labour actually done for Coventry? Selling the Ricoh to Wasps for a start!

People blame the tories for cutting services in the 9/10 years they've been in government but from what I understand that's due to labour overspending between 97-10

To be honest it doesn't matter in Coventry anyway: guaranteed labour seat.

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usef to run in cycles the main problem was the financial crash which wasn’t caused by labour and labour and brown took great credit worldwide for their actions to support the banks and avoid a worse depression
 
Astute

Astute

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SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
And not one mention about the enourmous contribution those people have made to the UK economy and tax. The fact that the Tory's especially, don't like collecting taxes off the rich and big business and love spunking cash on defence is the reason that doctors, schools, local government have not been properly invested in since 2010.
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Not one mention? :rolleyes:

Thise who mention it refuse to mention the side effects. Pressure on housing. Pressure on hospitals. Pressure on doctors. Roads getting gridlocked.

We could go on all day on the subject. Both Labour and the Tories didn't keep up with infrastructure improvements needed. Now the bill would be astronomical. A lot more than the extra raised in tax.

Do you know how much a new hospital costs? Do you know how many new hospitals we need to jeep up with the much higher population? This is without everything else needed.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Astute said:
Do you seriously think this?

It is all to do with borrowing against GDP. Long term it is seen as best to keep below 77% otherwise it has an effect on the economy. We are currently up to about 81%. About 5% of government spending goes on paying interest on what is owed.

In 1991 it was down to just over 20%. The lower the debt the more there is to spend. Put debt up too high and there is less to spend. More cuts are needed or debt runs out of control. Look at Italy and Greece for example. France is going the same way. Their debt has gone up to 98% of GDP. Have you seen all the strikes going on in France? My 18 year old had Thursday off school because they were on strike. There is a fuel shortage over a lit of France. Only about 10% of trains are running. Flights are being cancelled. And the list is much longer.

But we are so concerned in what is going on in the UK that most people haven't noticed. It is all about reducing debt to GDP. The debt to GDP that you make out doesn't matter.

And this is the problem of raising debt to GDP. What level of debt to GDP would we have if Labour did everything they promise?

Has anyone ever been in debt? Do you have to borrow more because a lot of your income goes on debt repayments? It soon spirals out of control. You can either bury your head in the sand or try to sort it out. To sort it out you need to cut your spending. Just the same as a country that tries to pay debt down.
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Personal debt and government debt are two entirely different things you
 
SkyBlueCharlie9

SkyBlueCharlie9

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skyblue1991 said:
Not convinced by either party but going to vote conservatives.

What Labour are proposing sounds great on paper, but with what capital? Also locally, what have labour actually done for Coventry? Selling the Ricoh to Wasps for a start!

People blame the tories for cutting services in the 9/10 years they've been in government but from what I understand that's due to labour overspending between 97-10

To be honest it doesn't matter in Coventry anyway: guaranteed labour seat.

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That's lazy. The austerity cuts were not down to labour overspending. New Labour invested in schools and the NHS and saw the values that the public sector bring. Otherwise New Labour had very similar policies to conservatives at the time. Then in 2007/8 a fairly massive world recession kicked in and we bailed out the banks. Now I'm not sure if that was good or bad move (I'm not an economist) but Im pretty sure the Tories would have done the same but with brass bells on! Corbyn would be pretty stupid to throw cash about that the UK doesnt have. I feel his vision of getting big business and the wealthy to contribute more in tax, and proper investment in infrastructure and the public sector in turn helps the private sector. It wins my vote.
Oh and also BJ is a lying, elitest, snob who cannot control his obsession with self gratification. He has little respect for his partners, his children or his wider family which says all I need to know about the man.
 
Astute

Astute

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fernandopartridge said:
Personal debt and government debt are two entirely different things you
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OK. How about your take on government debt? Is it good that 5% of the whole budget goes on interest alone on the present debt?

Is it good that we stand at 81% of GDP when the internationally recognised amount manageable is 77% and Labour have promised to spend hundreds of billions?

What do you know to show the experts wrong? Found this for you.

What the Debt-to-GDP Ratio Tells Us

Will put a paragraph of it here for you so you can see it.

A study by the World Bank found that countries whose debt-to-GDP ratios exceeds 77% for prolonged periods, experience significant slowdowns in economic growth. Pointedly: every percentage point of debt above this level costs countries 1.7% in economic growth. This phenomenon is even more pronounced in emerging markets, where each additional percentage point of debt over 64%, annually slows growth by 2%.
 
SkyBlueCharlie9

SkyBlueCharlie9

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Astute said:
Not one mention? :rolleyes:

Thise who mention it refuse to mention the side effects. Pressure on housing. Pressure on hospitals. Pressure on doctors. Roads getting gridlocked.

We could go on all day on the subject. Both Labour and the Tories didn't keep up with infrastructure improvements needed. Now the bill would be astronomical. A lot more than the extra raised in tax.

Do you know how much a new hospital costs? Do you know how many new hospitals we need to jeep up with the much higher population? This is without everything else needed.
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I can't imagine a lot of younger people from Europe have been very ill and put enormous pressure on NHS! Bet they have paid loads more into economy than have taken out. We have an ageing population from boomers generation which is why NHS under pressure. Tories have never delivered on investment in affordable housing, NHS, schools and rather than public transport are obsessed with building bigger wider faster longer roads which actually fuels more congestion and air pollution and illness for poorer people living near busy roads.
 
SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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Shame Farage isn’t doing better tbh, he’d be the best leader out of all of them....

would be a pointless vote as the polls suggest the brexit party are doing shite
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Shame Farage isn’t doing better tbh, he’d be the best leader out of all of them....

would be a pointless vote as the polls suggest the brexit party are doing shite
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I thought being a Domass of high integrity you would vote for the better charlatan regardless of the polls. Does he hold his pint better?
 
SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I thought being a Domass of high integrity you would vote for the better charlatan regardless of the polls. Does he hold his pint better?
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No it’s just Boris has an obvious advantage of getting a majority if I vote for him and not the brexit party...

Farage I think is the best leader out of them all mind
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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SkyblueBazza said:
All it really shows though is that supporters from the other parties like a bloody good shout & we all know what they say about empty heads...perhaps there are fewer empty heads among Tory voters? Or maybe they just have better things to do than pointlessly rant & bawl in public

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Perhaps it’s hard to passionately support a party offering you exactly nothing but “owning the Libs”.

The days of the Tories being the party of sensible people ended when they kicked all the normies out I’m afraid.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
No it’s just Boris has an obvious advantage of getting a majority if I vote for him and not the brexit party...

Farage I think is the best leader out of them all mind
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Of course. I mean, he’s only failed to become an MP what, 8 times? But yes he does wave the flag very hard and was bashing foreigners before it was cool so I get it’s a hard choice.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Astute said:
Do you seriously think this?

It is all to do with borrowing against GDP. Long term it is seen as best to keep below 77% otherwise it has an effect on the economy. We are currently up to about 81%. About 5% of government spending goes on paying interest on what is owed.

In 1991 it was down to just over 20%. The lower the debt the more there is to spend. Put debt up too high and there is less to spend. More cuts are needed or debt runs out of control. Look at Italy and Greece for example. France is going the same way. Their debt has gone up to 98% of GDP. Have you seen all the strikes going on in France? My 18 year old had Thursday off school because they were on strike. There is a fuel shortage over a lit of France. Only about 10% of trains are running. Flights are being cancelled. And the list is much longer.

But we are so concerned in what is going on in the UK that most people haven't noticed. It is all about reducing debt to GDP. The debt to GDP that you make out doesn't matter.

And this is the problem of raising debt to GDP. What level of debt to GDP would we have if Labour did everything they promise?

Has anyone ever been in debt? Do you have to borrow more because a lot of your income goes on debt repayments? It soon spirals out of control. You can either bury your head in the sand or try to sort it out. To sort it out you need to cut your spending. Just the same as a country that tries to pay debt down.
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personal. Debt. Is. Not. Like. National. Debt.

Also LOL at “77%” as if you’ve got a figure that exact.
 
SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Of course. I mean, he’s only failed to become an MP what, 8 times? But yes he does wave the flag very hard and was bashing foreigners before it was cool so I get it’s a hard choice.
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Ah yes accusing him of being racist, typical leftie behaviour..... my dad is foreign and I’m half polish yet I still think he’s the best candidate.... just no point in voting for them sadly
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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SkyBlueDom26 said:


Fair play Boris, dunno how many more times he needs to say it
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Actions not words. Let’s see them taking it off the table in trade negotiations. His word isn’t worth anything. He lies about everything, look at the Withdrawal Agreement. He either doesn’t know what’s in it or is lying about that.

He’s either a compulsive liar or the most incompetent prime minister in history. Or both. What he says has about as much weight as my four year old.
 
Astute

Astute

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SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
I can't imagine a lot of younger people from Europe have been very ill and put enormous pressure on NHS! Bet they have paid loads more into economy than have taken out. We have an ageing population from boomers generation which is why NHS under pressure. Tories have never delivered on investment in affordable housing, NHS, schools and rather than public transport are obsessed with building bigger wider faster longer roads which actually fuels more congestion and air pollution and illness for poorer people living near busy roads.
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Really?

They have brought a small surplus. That us because the money hasn't been spent updating the infrastructure. If it had there wouldn't be a small surplus.

If you go into a hospital you will see most people are not old.

Yes we need younger people. But that doesn't make everything as perfect as you make out.

We build more roads and this causes congestion? You do listen to the one liners. Congestion is caused by more people buying more cars. Or would you like to explain how the same amount of cars on thousands more miles of roads would cause gridlock? Then explain how there's millions more cars in the road which supposedly makes no difference.
 
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