Grendel
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Why has every single other party responded then and attended debates on the subject?
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Why has every single other party responded then and attended debates on the subject?
Liquid Gold
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People holding an elected authority to account
shmmeee
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People holding an elected authority to accountfor illegal activity are weirdos?
No. Weirdos ranting anonymously on twitter are weirdos.
Use your real name and people will take you seriously. That’s like Twitter 101.
Those two accounts are anonymous low follower accounts that mostly spit bile and conspiracy theories. Prime blocking material.
As I say, they come across as the red faced old men that would write lengthy letters in green pen to their councillors whining about dog shot or something with umpteen references to the Nazis in them. The sort any councillor just throws in the bin.
So, which one are you?
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richnrg
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erm, who are 'labour remainers' moving to?
shmmeee
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Labour. Back from LDs.
Fair amount of the remain vote is undecided and breaking for Labour as well.
Edit: when I say “Labour” I mean that’s who they voted for in 2017.
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Grendel
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So you disagree with the Henley Sports Alliance Campaign?
Otis
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Only Chuka Umanna can flip on a whim.
richnrg
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so they're 'moving' from labour to labour?
shmmeee
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so they're 'moving' from labour to labour?
They voted Labour in 2017. Since then they’ve moved to undecided/LD, recently they’ve been moving back.
This is a very weird thread for you to pull at.
Grendel
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Im glad you’ve posted this
It shows you for the nasty small minded bigot that you are but more crucially a real insight into how labour in the local area view its electorate
rob9872
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Attending a meeting is not the same as gluing yourself to a bus or disrupting people going about their daily lives as per last time. I'd happily arrest you though for simply being an annoying cock on every topic.
shmmeee
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Happy to oblige. Point is 95% of XR members aren’t arrestables. Bigger point is civil disobedience is a legitimate protest technique. Suck it up snowflake.
SkyblueBazza
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Well...unless we ditch NICE & Medicines Management teams, that will not be possible. Pharma push all they like in the UK but if a drug isn't NICE &/or especially locally approved...Drs tend to reserve them for last resort use in the UK
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SkyblueBazza
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It was quite funny on 5Live interview this morning. Made a huge cock-up told people to vote Labour lol
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SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
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shmmeee
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Caught the end of Nick Ferrari’s interview with him. Asked him something like “First you tanked The Independent Group in the polls, now the Lib Dems, what’s wrong with you?”
shmmeee
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Could be wrong but my understanding was the whole point is we’d have to ditch NICE is such a scenario.
Going off “It also wants to end the ability of Nice, which regulates medicines in the UK, to block drugs that it does not consider value for money, and it wants a system more favourable to extending monopoly rights to US drug firms than currently exists in the UK.”
From this: A US trade deal could cost the NHS tens of millions. My investigation shows how | Antony Barnett
Or is that something different?
Accept that’s Pharma lobbying but that’s basically what the US govt would be taking the lead from.
clint van damme
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Got to be honest, found them gluing themselves to a bus highly amusing.
Admittedly, the fact it was Swinsons bus upped the hilarity level of the stunt.
SkyblueBazza
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Yes they would have to eliminate NICE which is sometimes controversial - but I actually have a fair amount of faith in. It has been known to recommend drug use off-label as well as deny recommendation when all the available (weak?) Evidence suggests a benefit - but at an inflated price.
I think I did hear that this was part of their wishlist, but am 80% confident that this will not happen.
The monopoly thing is simply extending patent life. The perverse thing is that a patent has a limited lifespan. Maybe the patent should only start running out after it is launched in the marketplace. For example cannabis oil has been around for monkey's years. It's use is limited by its licence for use. To get a licence lots of expensive research has to be done. Because it has no patent...nobody wants to pay for the research.
On the other hand of course companies pay many many millions researching & developing drugs & a small number go through to eventually prescribed.
So it is understandable why Pharma want (& need) to make a handsome profit. Otherwise drugs we currently have for bacterial & viral cases for example eventually become useless. Then there are increasingly drugs being developed to treat rarer conditions - often criticised as being expensive, but make a huge difference to patients needing some medical intervential.
Check out Katy Piper's eye damage from her acid attack. A very expensive drug actually helped restore her sight. Worth the the money? She would say yes, many might argue not...but when you look at drug wastage by patients not taking what is prescribed, & the cost of the consequences (expensive hospitalisation for some conditions)...it is probably worth every penny!
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Sky Blue Pete
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Thought Swinson did ok
fernandopartridge
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A Tory wankers country
Otis
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Awful performance from Sajid Javid this morning on 5Live, I thought.
I didn't catch it all, but the host was asking him about the Dispatches programme and poor families living in poverty and without heating and having to sleep in their bed with their coats on, and instead of making any apology at all, a we got was 'Labour, Labour, Labour.'
He couldn't even say he was saddened by it all. The host kept saying 'you have been in power for nearly 10 years, what about YOU, the Conservative government, YOUR record, but he just seemed to keep banging on about Labour.
So many politicians behave in this way and I have seen it from all sides. I hate this sort of thing. No-one wants to take any responsibility and all they do is blame the opposition.
After 10 years in government it is about time the Conservatives took some ownership of what has gone on the past decade.
I didn't catch it all, but the host was asking him about the Dispatches programme and poor families living in poverty and without heating and having to sleep in their bed with their coats on, and instead of making any apology at all, a we got was 'Labour, Labour, Labour.'
He couldn't even say he was saddened by it all. The host kept saying 'you have been in power for nearly 10 years, what about YOU, the Conservative government, YOUR record, but he just seemed to keep banging on about Labour.
So many politicians behave in this way and I have seen it from all sides. I hate this sort of thing. No-one wants to take any responsibility and all they do is blame the opposition.
After 10 years in government it is about time the Conservatives took some ownership of what has gone on the past decade.
Ian1779
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A party redundant of ideas... just slag off Labour.
Otis
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Slag off Labour, or proudly announce about putting things back (i.e. police numbers) to what they were before they cut them.
Philosorapter
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One of things that really ticks me off is politicians not taking responsibility for their actions by banning or blocking accounts online or saying well this is what the other parties did in Government. There is no excuse for not answering question given to them by the public or media outlets on issues that are of public concern.
It shows a total lack of respect for the electorate.
It shows a total lack of respect for the electorate.
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Philosorapter
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Like it or not, we elect the individual not the political party.
The prospective MPs character, ethics and morality is a major contributing factor when the public decide whom to represent them or not in Parliament. It just doesn't come down to just which colour rosette they are wearing.
The prospective MPs character, ethics and morality is a major contributing factor when the public decide whom to represent them or not in Parliament. It just doesn't come down to just which colour rosette they are wearing.
Johnnythespider
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Do we though ? Most voters know very little about candidates and vote for the party they represent, that's my take on it anyway.
Otis
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I know Dom thinks it is fine, the kind of leaflets the Conservatives are putting out, but if I was a floating voter I wouldn't want to hear why I shouldn't be voting Labour, I would be wanting to hear why I SHOULD be voting Tory.
Making the point the other party is crap is not really selling yourself at all.
It's getting a bit like the US, where it is just a constant slating of the opposition
Making the point the other party is crap is not really selling yourself at all.
It's getting a bit like the US, where it is just a constant slating of the opposition
Johnnythespider
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Unfortunately it works if you have the press onside, nothing but negative campaigning from the tories, definitely taking lessons from Trump.
Otis
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I have been undecided before and when I have had a leaflet from a party simply slating the opposition, all it has done has made me angry with that party and much less likely to vote for them.
I am getting equally pee'd off with Get Brexit Done from Boris and Stop Brexit from Swinson.
I am getting equally pee'd off with Get Brexit Done from Boris and Stop Brexit from Swinson.
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Sky Blue Pete
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Most like the simplicity of the message. We are not a mature democracy
Philosorapter
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I agree with what you are saying.
I was comparing the system we use to represent ourselves in the EU Parliament to the system we use in a General Election.
