fernandopartridge
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You're just too thick understand the point which is that the right to exist is not solely Israel's
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Astute
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It wasn't criticising Israel. It was questioning if Israel had the right to exist. And on a TV channel he got paid about £20,000 by them. A TV channel since banned.
But of course nothing to see here. Let's chase up a woman we don't have a clue about that has something to do with May instead.
Astute
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Oh the keyboard warrior himself is back.
Me thick? No. I am not prepared to lie or listen to lies like yourself.
skybluetony176
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I’ve been to the West Bank and it’s awful. Let in and out to work and that’s their life. If it isn’t a ghetto I don’t know what is. Never been to Gaza but apparently it makes the West Bank look like Disney Land. Israel, whether you think it has the right to exist or not should be criticised for creating ghettos. It was about 20 years ago I was there and it’s only gotten worse since.
Also worth noting that not believing that Israel has a right to exist cannot possibly be antisemitic as it was Jews that originally expressed this opinion and many continue to do so. It’s called anti Zionism and as soon as Jews invented Zionism other Jews invented anti Zionism. Many Jews see the creation of Israel as a direct challenge to god and therefore deny its right to exist. Many of who live there and families have for generations and still see it as Palestine.
Nah mate you said hard Brexit is no agreement and our good friend the worldwideweb has saved the day, offering plenty of hard Brexit scenarios where there is an agreement
Astute
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More lies.
So point out where I have defended the Tories?
Of course you can't because I never have. But it must be worth a pat on the back or two for you saying such lies.
Astute
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Enjoying your weekend off school?
fernandopartridge
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OK, you crack on oh wise one
clint van damme
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My initial post was about Tory hypocrisy. Whether Corbyn is antisemitic or not (which I don't believe he is), was irrelevant to the point I was making but another topic got derailed. It's pointless.
The ironic thing is that conflating being Jewish with Irsrael in antisemitic in itself.[/QUOTE]
I am indeed, as life is about learning new things - unless you're Astute in which case you don't need to learn anything
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I agree that is probably the plan of action. I think he sees a 2nd indy ref as almost inevitable but if he can improve Scotland and be sympathetic to them it increases the likelihood that the 2nd ref would be "no". Risky strategy and if it did go that way it still would see Cranky Little Nicky demanding a third. But if the Tories win Scotland will def. move more towards wanting independence.
I do think we'll see the Welsh becoming increasingly beligerent given that the Scots have got so much more from the tubthumping approach.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Well for starters you said it was also wrong to have a go at Israel. Anyway:
His exact quote was 'there is a bias within the BBC towards saying that...'. When he was directly questioned about this during Owen Smith's leadership challenge, he responded:
One cannot advocate for a two-state solution if they refuse to recognise Israel as a legitimate state.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The latest polls on this still don't show majority support for independence (though it has increased since 2018). Support for another referendum within a year is at around 40% which is the danger with taking Sturgeon as Scotland's mouthpiece. She does not speak for a majority of Scots on this and simply benefits from pro-UK parties being split 3 ways. If Brexit is cancelled and major investment heads Scotland's way she is dead in the water. If Brexit goes ahead but the investment still comes, it's hard to call.
clint van damme
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And that's why I haven't brought up two quotes I've seen from Johnson in.the last couple of days because I can't find the whole interviews so don't know the context
skybluetony176
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Exactly.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Unlike his Telegraph article which can be read in full, along with pieces from the newspaper defending him from criticism.
SkyBlueDom26
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Watch this thread about what Jeremy Corbyn says about our security services and shooting terrorists on site...
Corbyn can not be trusted and is an embarrassment
clint van damme
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Wonder how Johnson will answer it when he's interviewed by Neil.......Oh, hang on!
Astute
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Astute
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So he has said differently since so he never made the original comment?
Oh well. Corbyn for PM.
SkyBlueDom26
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Tell you what, he’s done plenty off interviews the last 24 hours about how well the police force reacted.... watch all the videos on that thread and tell me you feel safe with Corbyn being in charge of our security
How people can vote for him I’ll never know
Brighton Sky Blue
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'WHY WON'T YOU SAY YOU'D KILL HIM? COWARD!'
You do realise at this moment we are supporting the No. 1 exporter of Islamic extremism? You do get that right? The country that gets people beheaded in the public square for denouncing Islam?
SkyBlueDom26
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Please no
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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So when you're on here and the 'lefties' are blaming the Tories for something you're quick to question it or point out where Labour has also done something similar or were also involved in the process
Faster than ever?
* both regarding debt levelsMy parents? What are you going on about? It was a Labour government
However when the likes of Grendel or Dom state something regarding stuff Labour has done which could just as equally be accused of the Tories or just inaccurate you're silent.
You've been on about Corbyn and the anti-semitism and how it should be considered his fault. Yet when someone pointed out a Tory leader had been supportive and honoured a known anti-semite your response was
May was the PM at the time. So why cut her more slack or try to excuse her behaviour more than Corbyn on the issue of 'support' for anti-semites?
You call Blair Bliar and can't stand Corbyn, so you don't seem to support the Labour party policies when it swings either left or right. Why exactly have you always voted for them as it seems there's no point in the past you'd have supported their policies due to either reckless spending or poor economic governance
I'm not saying you're never critical of Tories/Alexander and like I say I don't know if you feel there are more people seemingly exonerating or excusing Corbyn and/or blaming Tories and see it as 'adding balance' but the likes of G on here do that themselves with exonerating Alexander and the Tories. I've no doubt you see it as being impartial but to me it definitely sways more one way than the other.
Astute
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And you have learned that leaving without an agreement is what is known as a hard Brexit. Well done.
Brighton Sky Blue
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He has only ever said that he wants a two state solution. How can that be true if he wants Israel gone from the map?
I learnt that a long time ago. Rather; I learnt to correct you that while the former implies the latter, the latter does not imply the former. Not bad for someone who isn't a self proclaimed genius!
Brighton Sky Blue
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An MP has been murdered in the street with the Tories in charge of our security
Astute
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One question for you. Who gets defended all the time. Corbyn and Labour or the Tories and Boris?
So how about showing where I have defended the Tories? I have a go at them but it pisses me off when it turns into 100% defending one side. If this thread was anything like real life Labour would get 95% of the vote and Corbyn would be the next pope.
SBAndy
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First time I’ve seen that clip (I didn’t watch the interview, may do later today) and I think his response is the correct one. In that circumstance you’re fighting an ideology, a state of mind. Killing the leader doesn’t stop that ideology - if anything, it perpetuates it as he becomes a ‘martyr’ for his troops. Besides, Corbyn doesn’t actually say no he wouldn’t, just that he would want to ensure the choice was fully informed.
Anyway, that’s getting away from the point somewhat. You’ve conflated two entirely different situations Dom. Wise up.
Brighton Sky Blue
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So why do you ignore all the times that other 'lefties' and I criticise both Corbyn and Labour policy? Because it doesn't fit your narrative and you only ever seem interested in starting arguments.
Astute
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You was saying?
You can argue with yourself niw as much as you like. Have had enough.
Astute
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Try again.
I point out something and it is as though several have an alarm set on my posts and jump in. But when I say something against the Tories the alarm is silenced.
clint van damme
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he's either refused to go on Andrew Neil or been warned not to by tory seniors, not a good look for a PM.
Yep, and I stand with Investopedia in saying that hard Brexit does not imply no deal
