General Election 2019 thread (4 Viewers)

Astute said:

Is May the PM or trying to become PM?

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She is a senior member of the Tories, (a party who claim to be so concerned with antisemitism) and an ex PM who has honoured a woman who said 'Hitler was a solution to the Jew problem."

If you don't think that's at best hypocritical, then good for you.

stupot07 said:

Yep, but a brilliant radio host

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You and Fernando are both right.

He does his job well, very bright but also lacks the ability to empathise with peoples views he disagrees with (because he’s never wrong !)

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Ultimately there is nothing to crow about if they are still the largest party.

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True, but then does Labour need to be the largest party? All Labour needs is enough seats to be able to form a coalition with the SNP and Boris to not get enough seats to form a government without a coalition. I really don’t think that there’s anyone who will form a coalition with him. The DUP won’t unless he renegotiates his deal with the EU, even then I’m not convinced that the DUP will retain enough seats to be in that position anyway. Lib Dem’s, no way. Brexit Party, can’t see them winning any seats. Unless the Tories can win an outright majority they’re screwed.

Astute said:

Is May the PM or trying to become PM?

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Is it Corbyn himself who’s been accused of antisemitism or party members? It’s the later isn’t it? In which case a Tory Party member has put the leader in the same position Labour Party members have put the Labour Party leader in so you being the apparent king of neutrality should be treating both parties with the same contempt.

What’s that you say? But it’s only one member of the Tories as opposed to members of the Labour Party. Guess again. Have a look at Reed-Moggs history on the subject. More than once used antisemite references to Jewish colleagues and even was a guest speaker at an association with a long long history of antisemitism going way beyond careless social media use, I’m talking about an organisation that is to antisemitism what the Wolfe Tone society is to the republican cause.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Ultimately there is nothing to crow about if they are still the largest party.

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Unless labour get starmer in charge the tories will be I’m afraid.

clint van damme said:

She is a senior member of the Tories, (a party who claim to be so concerned with antisemitism) and an ex PM who has honoured a woman who said 'Hitler was a solution to the Jew problem."

If you don't think that's at best hypocritical, then good for you.

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Something I have missed. What are the details?

A bit like the comment I made yesterday where Corbyn said the BBC is biased because it said Israel should exist. That is caught on video. But not one comment on here.

Would anyone like to watch the video of him saying so?

Here are a few details. Good for those in denial.

Video re-emerges of Corbyn saying BBC is biased towards saying “Israel has a right to exist”

Otis said:

It was shameful. He can try and defend it all he likes, but to send Gove and his dad in, complete with film crew, is disrespectful and not taking the global climate crisis seriously enough at all.

I have now had three Tory leaflets through my door and had a phone call off them too. They seem rather desperate for my vote.

In the same period, I have had one Labour leaflet. Nothing from any other party.

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At least the conservative candidate is local and might know where Keresley is

Grendel said:

At least the conservative candidate is local and might know where Keresley is

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I have never, ever had a Labour candidate come to my door before.

I don't know much at all about this new Labour candidate unfortunately.

Otis said:

I have never, ever had a Labour candidate come to my door before.

I don't know much at all about this new Labour candidate unfortunately.

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Well I assume it was Robinson? The candidate now is a 27 year old from London selected for the constituency by head office

Grendel said:

Well I assume it was Robinson? The candidate now is a 27 year old from London selected for the constituency by head office

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Yes, Robinson. Couldn't stand the man.

Grendel said:

The candidate now is a 27 year old from London selected for the constituency by head office

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As an aside (and it's not just the Labour Party who do this of course), I find it utterly bizarre that candidates so out of touch can be parachuted in. Surely at least having got involved in the local area for a couple of years beforehand makes sense, even if they're not local themselves? It's just an easy stick to beat with, and increases the chances of losing a seat too... something which would be catastrophic for Labour in this instance. If Coventry were to fall, where would it end?

I suppose it is mitigated that Robinson barely set foot in his constituency, so it's not like we're downgrading! It's Coventry South where that could have more of an effect, as he was involved in local issues.

NorthernWisdom said:

As an aside (and it's not just the Labour Party who do this of course), I find it utterly bizarre that candidates so out of touch can be parachuted in. Surely at least having got involved in the local area for a couple of years beforehand makes sense, even if they're not local themselves? It's just an easy stick to beat with, and increases the chances of losing a seat too... something which would be catastrophic for Labour in this instance. If Coventry were to fall, where would it end?

I suppose it is mitigated that Robinson barely set foot in his constituency, so it's not like we're downgrading! It's Coventry South where that could have more of an effect, as he was involved in local issues.

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To be fair Robinson was fairly active - would attend demos and comment on issues and was obviously well versed in the area

Astute said:

Something I have missed. What are the details?

A bit like the comment I made yesterday where Corbyn said the BBC is biased because it said Israel should exist. That is caught on video. But not one comment on here.

Would anyone like to watch the video of him saying so?

Here are a few details. Good for those in denial.

Video re-emerges of Corbyn saying BBC is biased towards saying “Israel has a right to exist”

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So your position is, it's Ok for a politician to honour a renown antisemite as long as it's not Corbyn.

Your desire to argue with everyone is driving you to post even more nonsensical gibberish by the day.
Carry on, I've got better things to do.

clint van damme said:

So your position is, it's Ok for a politician to honour a renown antisemite as long as it's not Corbyn.

Your desire to argue with everyone is driving you to post even more nonsensical gibberish by the day.
Carry on, I've got better things to do.

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Of course you have.

You want to make it loud and clear that someone close to May.....who isn't in the running to lead the UK......has said something wrong. But Corbyn......who is in the running to become the PM of the UK.....has said something wrong and you don't want to talk about it at all.

And now you say it is me wanting to argue with everyone. What utter bullshit.

It is you and others that wants to hold every Tory to account. And so they should be. But as soon as it comes to Corbyn he can't do anything wrong. Not even when it is on video. Isn't it a shame you can't just call it bullshit because the evidence is there.

And some wonder why I call this thread Labour propaganda.

skybluetony176 said:

True, but then does Labour need to be the largest party? All Labour needs is enough seats to be able to form a coalition with the SNP and Boris to not get enough seats to form a government without a coalition. I really don’t think that there’s anyone who will form a coalition with him. The DUP won’t unless he renegotiates his deal with the EU, even then I’m not convinced that the DUP will retain enough seats to be in that position anyway. Lib Dem’s, no way. Brexit Party, can’t see them winning any seats. Unless the Tories can win an outright majority they’re screwed.

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Yes it kind of does. I don't want a coalition with a party that's only focussed on breaking the union and nor do I want perpetual hung parliaments.

Astute said:

Of course you have.

You want to make it loud and clear that someone close to May.....who isn't in the running to lead the UK......has said something wrong. But Corbyn......who is in the running to become the PM of the UK.....has said something wrong and you don't want to talk about it at all.

And now you say it is me wanting to argue with everyone. What utter bullshit.

It is you and others that wants to hold every Tory to account. And so they should be. But as soon as it comes to Corbyn he can't do anything wrong. Not even when it is on video. Isn't it a shame you can't just call it bullshit because the evidence is there.

And some wonder why I call this thread Labour propaganda.

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What has Corbyn said that is so wrong? Why is there so much desire to paint as a bigot the man who protested against apartheid and the Iraq War when our own governments were defending them?

CCFCSteve said:

You and Fernando are both right.

He does his job well, very bright but also lacks the ability to empathise with peoples views he disagrees with (because he’s never wrong !)

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In the past G has invited me to go on national media with my views. I don't need to as O'Brien is already doing it and probably in the same way...

Otis said:

It was shameful. He can try and defend it all he likes, but to send Gove and his dad in, complete with film crew, is disrespectful and not taking the global climate crisis seriously enough at all.

I have now had three Tory leaflets through my door and had a phone call off them too. They seem rather desperate for my vote.

In the same period, I have had one Labour leaflet. Nothing from any other party.

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In my constituency I have had a lot of Lib Dem correspondence followed by one generic Labour leaflet and nothing from the Tories. Odd considering how marginal it is

Brighton Sky Blue said:

What has Corbyn said that is so wrong? Why is there so much desire to paint as a bigot the man who protested against apartheid and the Iraq War when our own governments were defending them?

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So it is OK for him to have a go against Israel and their system existing?

Did you know that about 3/4 of Israel are Jewish?

Don't worry. It is more important that someone May knows said something.

Astute said:

So a hard Brexit is leaving with an agreement but something softer is leaving without an agreement? What planet are you on?

Or are you saying that no agreement is a hard Brexit and that you were totally wrong? Whichever way round it is you are not looking very clued up on what is occurring.

And this shows the absolute bias on here. You have someone as clueless as yourself and not a single person on the same side of the fence as yourself......Labour whatever happens......says a single word. But some wait for me to make a post so they can try their best to discredit the post even when backed up with 100% evidence.

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No mate, a hard Brexit can be leaving without a agreement but you say it with certainty. I think you need to learn the meaning of the word 'subset' - a no agreement outcome is a subset of all the possible Hard Brexits, but there are many other Hard Brexits that are possible. Let me get you an Oxford dictionary for Christmas :happy:

I certainly don't know everything about Brexit, and I have consulted Investopedia on this matter, I know there's a difference. Who'd I rather believe - Investopedia or someone who calls themselves Astute on Coventry City General Chat? I think I've made my mind up...

Walsgrave said:

No mate, a hard Brexit can be leaving without a agreement but you say it with certainty. I think you need to learn the meaning of the word 'subset' - a no agreement outcome is a subset of all the possible Hard Brexits, but there are many other Hard Brexits that are possible. Let me get you an Oxford dictionary for Christmas :happy:

I certainly don't know everything about Brexit, and I have consulted Investopedia on this matter, I know there's a difference. Who'd I rather believe - Investopedia or someone who calls themselves Astute on Coventry City General Chat? I think I've made my mind up...

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Say what a hard Brexit is exactly. Then I will bring up what you said I was wrong about.

So what agreement would there be in a hard Brexit? Just because you found somewhere that said there is a slight chance of having some sort of agreement and still have one.

Just remember you was the only person on here that didn't know what hard Brexit meant.

Astute said:

So it is OK for him to have a go against Israel and their system existing?

Did you know that about 3/4 of Israel are Jewish?

Don't worry. It is more important that someone May knows said something.

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Did he say that Israel have no right to exist, or merely that if Israel must exist then so should Palestine - and that they must exist together?

It’s very well documented he believes in a 2 state solution.

Ian1779 said:

Did he say that Israel have no right to exist, or merely that if Israel must exist then so should Palestine - and that they must exist together?

It’s very well documented he believes in a 2 state solution.

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He said the BBC was biased for saying that Israel had the right to exist. Since when did he have the right to choose what countries should or shouldn't exist? He said it on a TV channel that is now banned. It was the one he got paid quite well on.

Then some wonder why this antisemitism won't go away.

Astute said:

Say what a hard Brexit is exactly. Then I will bring up what you said I was wrong about.

So what agreement would there be in a hard Brexit? Just because you found somewhere that said there is a slight chance of having some sort of agreement and still have one.

Just remember you was the only person on here that didn't know what hard Brexit meant.

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Clearly we can add you to the list of 'dont-knoers' based on recent evidence :joyful:

Our good friend Investopedia has already explained that layful:

Example of Hard Brexit that is not a no deal - let's say hypothetically that the UK gets a Canada plus style agreement with the EU and gives up single market access etc/other features entailed within a Hard Brexit. Then that's a hard Brexit but not a No Deal...

Walsgrave said:

Clearly we can add you to the list of 'dont-knoers' based on recent evidence :joyful:

Our good friend Investopedia has already explained that layful:

Example of Hard Brexit that is not a no deal - let's say hypothetically that the UK gets a Canada plus style agreement with the EU and gives up single market access etc/other features entailed within a Hard Brexit. Then that's a hard Brexit but not a No Deal...

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Either you still don't have a clue or you are trying to make it look as though you do but won't fool anyone.

Astute said:

Either you still don't have a clue or you are trying to make it look as though you do but won't fool anyone.

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Nope, I have no one to fool and happily admit my flaws - it's why I don't put myself on a pedestal by naming myself something like 'Astute'. You Sir, are the opposite and have gone down a notch...

I still believe Investopedia by the way :joyful:

Walsgrave said:

Nope, I have no one to fool and happily admit my flaws - it's why I don't put myself on a pedestal by naming myself something like 'Astute'. You Sir, are the opposite and have gone down a notch...

I still believe Investopedia by the way :joyful:

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Yeah OK.

You are funny. Everyone knows the meaning of hard Brexit except for yourself.

Carry on.

Astute said:

Yeah OK.

You are funny. Everyone knows the meaning of hard Brexit except for yourself.

Carry on.

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High five then - we're now twins! The only person who didn't know has now caught up and overturned the 'in-the-know' status of 'Astute'!

You can fool me, but you can't fool Investopedia

I see Madness have gone political



Boris is Porky by the way.

Astute said:

So it is OK for him to have a go against Israel and their system existing?

Did you know that about 3/4 of Israel are Jewish?

Don't worry. It is more important that someone May knows said something.

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Criticising Israel doesn't make you an anti-Semite any more than criticising Saudi Arabia makes you an Islamophobe. Israel has been violating international law in the West Bank for years with the construction of illegal settlements, it has been carrying out criminal actions in Gaza and the Netanyahu government has been busy passing discriminatory laws against Arabs in Israel itself.

If Israel is immune from criticism for these actions how far can it go before anyone's allowed to say anything?

Astute said:

No. Have had enough of the propaganda on here. You say Corbyn and Labour are not defended on here. But all you have to do is look at the posts.

You agree that Corbyn is the wrong person to lead Labour yet defend everything he does.

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But at the same time you say you're a lifelong Labour voter yet defend the Tories on virtually every point made while denigrating Labour/Corbyn.

Whether that is because you perceive there to be too many apologists for Corbyn/Labour (even though you have the likes of G and Dom being apologists for Alexander and the Tories as well) but your posts are definitely more sympathetic to Alexander and the Tories behaviour/history.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Yes it kind of does. I don't want a coalition with a party that's only focussed on breaking the union and nor do I want perpetual hung parliaments.

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Why have a coalition focused on breaking the union when you can have a majority party that is likely to bring it about whether it intends to or not with the NI border?

Choose one there's a decent chance Scots will get a 2nd ref. Choose the other and you embolden both the Irish unification due to the border issue and the Scots for being taken out of the EU against their will.

Either way the Union will potentially be at risk.

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High five then - we're now twins! The only person who didn't know has now caught up and overturned the 'in-the-know' status of 'Astute'!

You can fool me, but you can't fool Investopedia

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So lets see.

I said leaving without an agreement...or a deal to people like yourself is hard Brexit. You said I was wrong and tried to take the piss. Correct?

Have it all ready to post if you try and twist the truth again.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:

Why have a coalition focused on breaking the union when you can have a majority party that is likely to bring it about whether it intends to or not with the NI border?

Choose one there's a decent chance Scots will get a 2nd ref. Choose the other and you embolden both the Irish unification due to the border issue and the Scots for being taken out of the EU against their will.

Either way the Union will potentially be at risk.

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The union will be less at risk if there is a progressive government at Westminster putting substantial investment into Scotland and generally giving a damn about it. That is Corbyn's gamble with the 'no indyref in 2 years' line-he hopes that demand for one will go back down if the government is seen to give a toss.