Astute
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Corbyn has a plan.
Plant 2 billion trees. Wait until they grow and then house everyone in a eco friendly tree house. Perfect for those protesting.
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Plant 2 billion trees. Wait until they grow and then house everyone in a eco friendly tree house. Perfect for those protesting.
Astute
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You want to lose your vote?
Astute
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As you get older you get wiser.
You have seen several times before when you get promised everything for a GE but get nothing. You notice hidden things that affect the many. You notice that Labour never put a decent government together. I am 51 and have never had a decent Labour government.
And yes my generation had it hard. Have been through it countless times. I had to keep moving to get work. I haven't lived near any family since my 20's. Had to go through my training whilst working 80 hours plus a week. How many would do that now? All my older kids but one own their own house except for one. He is more interested in having fun. The eldest has a large 4 bed detached with games room and cinema room. It isn't easy but can be done. And she didn't go to Uni either. But everyone working under her did.
You have a choice. Sit there and complain about life or get up and do something about it.
Astute
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Some of us got on with life. We worked hard and saved hard. We did without so we could save. And some like myself continue to save hard.
I could afford now to go and buy a nice shiny new car. I wouldn't have to rent a nice shiny new car like most do. But who in their right mind would pay thousands of pounds for something they will never own? At least they will all own the expensive latest gadgets. Pay a lot of money for the latest phone and just discard it two years later.
My car is a 2008. My wife's car is a 2007. Both paid for in cash. Didn't cost much though. Less than 5k the pair. And will be worth a few k still in 3 years. My one will still have value after putting on about 100,000 miles in the next 3 years. Try doing that on a new rented car. How much would it cost to rent similar? My 2008 has never failed an MOT.
So just there alone quite a bit of money is saved. Save money when you are younger and it is worth multiples when you are older. Once you have a decent size pot it flies up. Just a 300,000 pot makes 9k at 3% without anything else going in.
Did you say thank you to Labour for killing off final salary pensions?
Astute
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They won't have blame put on Labour for killing off final salary pensions with the massive tax grab so they feel the need to have a go at someone.
Astute
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Final salary pension?
Astute
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How long would it take you to plant each bean?
Astute
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3 teams to maintain for every team planting them.
Astute
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How long to dig the hole? Have you ever tried to get through untouched earth before? Then break up what you have taken out?
I suppose it will all be as soft as a compost bag.
stupot07
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NorthernWisdom
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Not anymore!
shmmeee
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You should get a job spinning for the Conservatives.
Can’t believe the slack you guys are giving him. And people talk about Corbyn as a cult.
shmmeee
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At this point I’m convinced that the Tories could announce they’re going to chop everyone’s legs off and Bazza and Dom would be on here posting how they had too many legs anyway and have been wanting to lose some weight.
SkyblueBazza
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Even by your standards...one of the stupidest things you ever posted.
Probably as offensive &/or insensitive as Bojo is accused of being too if someone has lost a leg or both fighting for their country in Iraq or Afghanistan perhaps...while you have been sat fighting pettily behind your keyboard & screen
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shmmeee
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Nah I’ve posted far stupider.
Go on, give us one little criticism of Johnson. Anything, his racism, his hate of the working class, his sexism, homophobia? Not a social justice guy? Maybe his security issues around Russia and his love of bunga bunga parties? His hypocrisy slating single parents while abandoning his own kids? His refusal to be scrutinised by the electorate relying on memes and shady Facebook ads like a pound shop Trump? His complete capitulation to the EU in negotiations, ending up with something he himself said no conservative PM would back? His inability to control his party? His ability to promise austerity and still potentially borrow more than Labour?
It’s not like there’s not a wide selection to choose from.
Is there anything you don’t like about the guy?
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Astute
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A lot better than anyone can expect in the private sector thanks to Labour.
Astute
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But still you try and get elsewhere what they have. About a third down on a final salary for the average person but can be much more.
And yet again thanks Labour for taking away comfortable retirements for millions. And that is without the extra that would have come in without extra income tax that pensioners would have paid.
The main reason I am worried about Corbyn getting in and having to try and cover spending hundreds of billions of pounds. Will they see pensions as an easy target again? Take away the 25% tax free that is supposed to secure the futures? Because Bliar didn't say he was going to do the last pension tax grab. He was all for the poor and against the rich......
Astute
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Yet you ignore how much defending of Corbyn and Labour goes on. You even join in yourself.
Neither are fit to run the UK.
One won't say anything of importance and the other comes out with fairy stories.
One says get Brexit done. The other tries not to say anything.
NorthernWisdom
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I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say.
If you're saying that pension benefits are still better in state rather than public sector, I can assuredly tell you that that is not true as we stand.
If not, I'm all ears!
Astute
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Corbyn would make a half decent PM?
Astute
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Of course it is true. If it is 1/60 Or better and average wage it is still a good pension. That is nearly 2% of your annual wage as pension each year. 30 years service is half the average wage.
Or shall we go to the average pot in the public sector? The average pot is just over 100k for a man and just over 70k for a woman.
A 100k pot would get you about £4,300 a year.
Public sector....start on 30k end on 50k...most probably more.......average somewhere about 38k depending on when pay rises are. 30 years at 1/60 would be a pension of approx 19k. This would be index linked. It would also provide a pension of about 50% for a surviving spouse. But each scheme has its own rules.
We can go into fine details if you like. It is a subject I am very clued up on.
NorthernWisdom
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The coventrian
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The shifts here are a pain in the arse but this company has given me a bloody good living.
fatso
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All of the above is true, and as much as I despise Johnson, I'd still vote for him over Corbyn!
Labour supporters just dont seem to grasp how loathsome Corbyn is, if Labour ditched Corbyn now, they may still have a chance of winning, but the fact that an out of touch, public school wanker like Johnson will win the election, and probably by a landslide, just shows how bad Corbyn really is.
Astute
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State or private?
shmmeee
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whataboutwhataboutwhatabout
shmmeee
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You want a party to elect a new leader halfway though an election campaign??
NorthernWisdom
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Both.
Astute
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This is a rare occasion it would work. Even a lot of people who are voting for him don't think he will do a decent job.
Someone without baggage. Someone with charisma. Someone who could rip apart one sentence Boris. And that wouldn't be hard.
Astute
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Old private new state by the sound of it.
fatso
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It's either that or loose,
As things stand, Johnson will piss it. That IS the harsh reality, and many in the labour party know it, but Corbyn is being propped up by momentum, because they know he is weak and can be manipulated.
SkyblueBazza
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Do I like him???
He's certainly some of the things you list there. Not all but you have to look beyond the headlines rather than being so quick to judge...like abandoning his kids. Was it him abandoning them? Or was it an unhealthy relationship with his partner for his kids to be party to?
Your bias knows no bounds - I offer counter-balance.
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NorthernWisdom
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Currently (thanks to budget cuts) I have two jobs (well, technically three, but that one doesn't really count in terms of a pension). One state, one private. Roughly 50/50 split in terms of salary... if not hours. Guess which one pays more, for less output?
L:ike I say, I know what my pensions are. I don't really want to discuss my personal circumstances because I'll be accused of the righties of whinging or something, I'll get some bollocks about how I need to work harder or something. Note, I dont begrudge people cash if they work hard, my best friend has a very decent living and fully deserves it. What I do resent is the ya-boo-sucks smugness that comes across with some (not all). Cash is not everything in life... but when the working conditions deecline drastically, cash can be something of a compensation.
shmmeee
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Do you understand how long it takes to run an election?
Astute
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So you have a private one paying in more than a state one is worth?
As I said you need to have 100k to get about 4.3k a year. And that is at retirement age. If you have a state one it would build up quickly. If you are on 30k state wage that is about £500 a year pension. Less than 9 years to get 4.3k. Could you build a 100k pot up in the private sector in less than 9 years?
And there is no risk in the state pension. All the risk is with you in the private sector pension with money purchase.
