General Election 2019 thread (1 Viewer)

Grendel said:

the difference as you well know is the direct association with the leader and shadow chancellor

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It sounds like hypocrisy to me.

You have always been anti-GFA though, so presumably you'd have been happy for the bloodshed to continue rather than finding an actual workable solution for peace.

Sick Boy said:

It sounds like hypocrisy to me.

You have always been anti-GFA though, so presumably you'd have been happy for the bloodshed to continue rather than finding an actual workable solution for peace.

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I don’t believe an act of surrender and the release of murderers is acceptable

I assume you’d not be happy to vote for labour in that basis given the shadow chancellor voted against the agreement

I can't believe that anyone would be gullible enough to really think that 'factcheckUK' was somehow the independent 'oracle' of truth, and even so, I'm sure they would be sensible enough to verify any statements or promises at www.theactualonehundredpercenttruth.com first

Astute said:

We have been through this one countless times before. Borrowing up from 7.6 billion when Labour took over to nearly 180 billion when the Tories got back in.

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You’re missing the point. Many still refer back to 2010 and the fact that there was no money left. Course there was money left - but it’s a lie that people bought en masse.

olderskyblue said:

my original point was about the Tory press office. I’m not lied to as I don’t read anything they put out. Who does? Floating voters? I doubt there’s many that do. Most are already set in their ways already.

Corbyn is the reason I cannot vote labour, and surprised when people defend him. His actions with the IRA are well documented, and that is also defended on here. I for one could never vote for him for that reason alone.

Also, momentum should get everyone worried about how he is running his party, and then how he would run the Country.

Just my opinion of course. If Corbyn went, it may then give me a proper choice rather than the better of 2 evils.

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antisemitism
IRA
Pacifist
Terrorist
Communist
Marixst
Bingo!!

chiefdave said:

Wasn't just a name change either, completely rebranded.

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Shmeee often puts silly graphs on charts on here and claims factual accuracy

most are from the impressive sounding body tax research uk. Tax research uk is in reality one man - Richard Murphy a Labour Party activist, chief economist to the trade union movement and self proclaimed founder of Corbynomics

clint van damme said:

antisemitism
IRA
Pacifist
Terrorist
Communist
Marixst
Bingo!!

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what's wrong with playing BIngo?

Grendel said:

Shmeee often puts silly graphs on charts on here and claims factual accuracy

most are from the impressive sounding body tax research uk. Tax research uk is in reality one man - Richard Murphy a Labour Party activist, chief economist to the trade union movement and self proclaimed founder of Corbynomics

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Bit of a difference between one bloke posting on a football forum and an official party account rebranding itself in order to deceive people.

skybluetony176 said:

You could argue that Corbyn was ahead of his time and ahead of the GFA in trying to engage with Sinn Fein by opening dialogue. After all, that was all it took in the end to get a ceasefire. Engagement. On that basis how many lives could have been saved by a Tory government had they engaged when Corbyn initially started trying? All the evidence is that Corbyns engagements were with an aim of laying down arms not picking them up.

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yes, I would argue that. Engaging is one thing, attending murderers funerals is a different thing entirely.

chiefdave said:

Bit of a difference between one bloke posting on a football forum and an official party account rebranding itself in order to deceive people.

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no it’s an organisation that claims to put across on its website it’s an independent organisation and Richard Murphy on his twitter uses it as a source without actually revealing its him! He gets very upset when it’s pointed out as well

chiefdave said:

Bit of a difference between one bloke posting on a football forum and an official party account rebranding itself in order to deceive people.

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I agree,but,
if there are people out there that saw a tweet from an account called 'Factcheck UK' and thought to themselves '"oh, I'd better pay particular attention to what this tweet says, as it obviously comes from an important source that I should be paying attention to, despite the fact that I've never heard of FactcheckUK before. You know what, I'll totally desreguard my currently held views and instead go with those trustworthy people at FactCheck UK instead",
then I don't think that either these peoples original views or their new found views would be worth jack shit either way.

Grendel said:

I don’t believe an act of surrender and the release of murderers is acceptable

I assume you’d not be happy to vote for labour in that basis given the shadow chancellor voted against the agreement

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I am not sure he would agree with you about it being an 'act of surrender' and am sure that he now would vote for it.
Calling the GFA an 'act of surrender' is more than a bit extreme and more in line with those idiots on both sides baying for more blood and deaths.

skybluetony176 said:

Something Major has never got enough if any credit for. He’s a personal hero of mine for taking the initial steps. Never happened under Maggie and would never happen under Boris if needed.

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Yeah tbf he should have been up there with Blair and Ahern. Much I disliked about Major's time (the financial rigidity, the social moralism) but as a leader, I often think he's been hard-done by in reviews of him. And it turned out he was a lot more liberal socially than the Tory leaders who preceeded and followed him!

Lib Dem manifesto launched this afternoon is going to include a call for safe standing at football grounds. Just saying (but won't be voting for them)

"Football matches in this country should not be subject to the bureaucracy of executives and ministers who are stuck in the past, and don’t understand the game. People want to see safe-standing in their stadiums, they want the knock-on effect of a reduction in ticket prices, and they want to be free to enjoy the sport they love without restrictive red tape."

says Layla Moran - who also obvoulsy doesn't understand the game (i.e.I'm all for safe standing, but it won't reduce ticket prices or 'restrictive red tape' - whatever that means in this scenario)

SBAndy said:

You’re missing the point. Many still refer back to 2010 and the fact that there was no money left. Course there was money left - but it’s a lie that people bought en masse.

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I am not missing the point at all.

The war Bliar took us into on a lie cost us countless billions alone. That is why borrowing shot through the roof.

There was no money. There never is. We run on budgets and debt. Look it up. Sounds like you are in for a surprise.

Most Labour governments run up massive debt. Most Tory governments take austerity too far to pay off the debt. After Major the debt was at a controllable level. But it went flying again after Bliar and Brown. And that was even after killing off final salary pensions with their massive tax grab. And it still takes in extra billions. It even finishes off companies which can't afford the previous promises made.

I know exactly what happened to final salary pensions. I used to have one with the company I work for. They ended up having to pay half of my salary into it each year because of what happened. And they still have to pay extra each year to go towards all the schemes that have collapsed because of the tax grab. Before the tax grab most were running at a surplus. Now they are as rare as hens teeth unless you work for the government.

Astute said:

He was investigated for links to atrocities committed. None were found. He was investigated because of his links to these organisations including the propaganda machine including their news letter.

So in other words they didn't find anything illegal. But there was enough to investigate.

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It’s odd isn’t it how if Corbyn had been a UVF paramilitary there’d be no complaints. He is guilty of nothing criminal. That’s all there is to it.

Astute said:

Easy to say when you have a single holiday that is longer than most people get all year and then get several more.

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You should try being a teacher pal. You wouldn't last 5 minutes. Motivating ignorant petulant kids of ignorant petulant people - no way I could do it. With nurses and doctors they should have our utmost respect. All teachers I know work evenings and in holidays preparing crap to appease the bureaucrats at Ofsted that Tory's in particular love. You clearly have no idea on education system so it's weird how you act like you do.

SkyBlueCharlie9 said:

You should try being a teacher pal. You wouldn't last 5 minutes. Motivating ignorant pechalent kids of ignorant pechalent people - no way I could do it. With nurses and doctors they should have our utmost respect. All teachers I know work evenings and in holidays preparing crap to appease the bureaucrats at Ofsted that Tory's in particular love. You clearly have no idea on education system so it's weird how you act like you do.

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please Sir - did you mean 'petulant', Sir?

(by the way, I agree with you - teachers do a great job and deserve much more respect than they generally receive)

SkyBlueCharlie9 said:

You should try being a teacher pal. You wouldn't last 5 minutes. Motivating ignorant pechalent kids of ignorant pechalent people - no way I could do it. With nurses and doctors they should have our utmost respect. All teachers I know work evenings and in holidays preparing crap to appease the bureaucrats at Ofsted that Tory's in particular love. You clearly have no idea on education system so it's weird how you act like you do.

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The Blair regime significantly changed inspections and details not the conservatives

richnrg said:

please Sir - did you mean 'petulant', Sir?

(by the way, I agree with you - teachers do a great job and deserve much more respect than they generally receive)

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...thanks for that Richnrg

How much did Brown bail out the City with in the 2007/08 global financial crash?

olderskyblue said:

yes, I would argue that. Engaging is one thing, attending murderers funerals is a different thing entirely.

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Only he never attended any IRA murderers funerals. It’s one of those lies that’s been repeated enough to be an assumed fact. It is in fact a lie so if you’re making your decision on that basis you’re making an ill informed decision based on a lie.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

It’s odd isn’t it how if Corbyn had been a UVF paramilitary there’d be no complaints. He is guilty of nothing criminal. That’s all there is to it.

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And good that Labour has a leader joined with two others with so many skeletons in the closet?

It is as though some are happy to have Corbyn as leader. But they never explain why an idiot like Boris has a big lead over Corbyn. If it isn't Corbyn holding us back what is it? It isn't Brexit if some on here are to be believed as the majority are supposed to be in favour of remaining. It isn't on policies as Boris has hardly any. And most don't believe those he does have.

But yeah let's just happy clap him to another defeat and call it a victory again if he doesn't lose by a distance.

SkyBlueCharlie9 said:

You should try being a teacher pal. You wouldn't last 5 minutes. Motivating ignorant petulant kids of ignorant petulant people - no way I could do it. With nurses and doctors they should have our utmost respect. All teachers I know work evenings and in holidays preparing crap to appease the bureaucrats at Ofsted that Tory's in particular love. You clearly have no idea on education system so it's weird how you act like you do.

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I wanted to be either a mathematics teacher or solicitor. But surprisingly enough it wasn't easy for my generation. I had to go straight to work at 16. Only those with well off parents could go to Uni in my day. I came from a single parent household. I didn't even know anyone who went to Uni.

I went through my qualifications when working. And when I was financially well off enough to go to Uni I would have had to give up a job that was well paid to follow my dream. And that would have to have been after more years of getting qualifications.

My generation didn't have it easy just because you see younger ones say we did.

The Daily Mail going with the headline that Boris refused to back Prince Andrew. Obviously missed the bit where he said he was above criticism.

richnrg said:

please Sir - did you mean 'petulant', Sir?

(by the way, I agree with you - teachers do a great job and deserve much more respect than they generally receive)

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I agree. And it is harder these days as the kids don't have to listen to authority. Then you get the parents going in if their children get told off. Was at a parents evening once when both parents went mental at a teacher. I had to jump in the middle of it. Then he threatened me :smuggrin: I just told him I could see why his child was unruly. That didn't make him happy either. But it helped being a lot bigger than him. All mouth no action.

Let’s be honest its a tight call....

Corbyn - either terrorist sympathiser/anti semite or someone with appalling lack of judgement

Johnson - calculated liar/untrustworthy leader or just plays the political game for personal gain.

You pays your money you takes your chance. It’s impossible to defend either so for me it will come down to least worse choice.

skybluetony176 said:

The Daily Mail going with the headline that Boris refused to back Prince Andrew. Obviously missed the bit where he said he was above criticism.

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He said the institution of the monarchy is beyond reproach. Unusual choice of words but he’s a royalist. He didn’t defend him

skybluetony176 said:

The Daily Mail going with the headline that Boris refused to back Prince Andrew. Obviously missed the bit where he said he was above criticism.

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He didn't defend him stop lying and trying to make out he did

CCFCSteve said:

Let’s be honest its a tight call....

Corbyn - either terrorist sympathiser/anti semite or someone with appalling lack of judgement

Johnson - calculated liar/untrustworthy leader or just plays the political game for personal gain.

You pays your money you takes your chance. It’s impossible to defend either so for me it will come down to least worse choice.

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Or Liberal. Or Green. Or Brexit. Or SNP / Plaid Cymru if you're in the right areas. Or Sinn Fein / UUP / Mentalists if you're in NI.

NorthernWisdom said:

Or Liberal. Or Green. Or Brexit. Or SNP / Plaid Cymru if you're in the right areas. Or Sinn Fein / UUP / Mentalists if you're in NI.

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talking of mentalists, its good to see that the DUP are keen to remobilise the 'Knights who say Ni'

CCFCSteve said:

Let’s be honest its a tight call....

Corbyn - either terrorist sympathiser/anti semite or someone with appalling lack of judgement

Johnson - calculated liar/untrustworthy leader or just plays the political game for personal gain.

You pays your money you takes your chance. It’s impossible to defend either so for me it will come down to least worse choice.

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only one of those statements is true. And it's not the first one!

clint van damme said:

only one of those statements is true. And it's not the first one!

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Of course you wouldn't think it is, even though the evidence suggests it is true

skybluetony176 said:

Only he never attended any IRA murderers funerals. It’s one of those lies that’s been repeated enough to be an assumed fact. It is in fact a lie so if you’re making your decision on that basis you’re making an ill informed decision based on a lie.

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Ah yes, it was a commemoration for 8 terrorists trying to bomb a police station.

Slight difference, but it shows who the man is just the same.