Honeymoon over (1 Viewer)

Tommo1993 said:

I don’t think anyone wants them to just accept Wasps extortionate terms. It’s been a few months now and I don’t think anything progressive has been said by the club about returning to the Ricoh or that make believe new ground. But I believe if some substantial evidence came from the club (or owners) that genuine effort was being made, then you’d see a significant rise in support.

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There’s not much they can do though - unless the indemnity is dropped nothing is going to happen.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:

It wasn’t really in SISUs remit to gift them the Ricoh - that would be the council who sold it on the cheap with an extended 250 year lease

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Yes the council did. But it doesn't help when the owner of the club moved us out holding us hostage in Northampton does it? They broke the lease and consistently said they weren't returning. They consistently said they were building a new stadium. My god they even had a bullshit fans forum with fake pictures to try and hoodwink us all. What exactly did you expect the council to do with an empty stadium? None of us thought they'd move the club in the first place did we?

The coventrian said:

Yes the council did. But it doesn't help when the owner of the club moved us out holding us hostage in Northampton does it? They broke the lease and consistently said they weren't returning. They consistently said they were building a new stadium. My god they even had a bullshit fans forum with fake pictures to try and hoodwink us all. What exactly did you expect the council to do with an empty stadium? None of us thought they'd move the club in the first place did we?

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For a start they did actually state that they were bringing us back with a view to ownership.

when in actual fact they were using the club as a pawn to increase the Ricoh value to wasps

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:

For a start they did actually state that they were bringing us back with a view to ownership.

when in actual fact they were using the club as a pawn to increase the Ricoh value to wasps

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They didn't. Seppalla was spouting off eventually saying they'd return but only as owners. They didn't have a plan as such to return as 'owners'. The council would have to agree to sell surely? The damage was done then and there was to much bad blood. The council sold to wasps out of pure spite. The rest is history I guess.

The coventrian said:

They didn't. Seppalla was spouting off eventually saying they'd return but only as owners. They didn't have a plan as such to return as 'owners'. The council would have to agree to sell surely? The damage was done then and there was to much bad blood. The council sold to wasps out of pure spite. The rest is history I guess.

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No that was a quote from Ann Lucas.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:

No that was a quote from Ann Lucas.

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No. Seppalla or fisher said they'd only return as owners of the freehold.

The coventrian said:

No. Seppalla or fisher said they'd only return as owners of the freehold.

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And when they did return... Ann Lucas said that they would like to build the trust with a view to an ownership stake

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:

And when they did return... Ann Lucas said that they would like to build the trust with a view to an ownership stake

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She lied.

The coventrian said:

She lied.

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So with that in mind - do you see why the stance is as it is?

it’s more frustration with people who don’t acknowledge this. The lack of questioning from the local media and their agenda to push “it’s all SISU” and thinly veiled nod to fans to not go and support the club.

SISU aren’t going anywhere whether we like it or not, they’re going to take this all the way to the bitter end.

The only thing us fans can do is support our club - but with the local media kind of condemning it and stigmatising it doesn’t help. Even our trust is culpable

we as fans need to get on the same wavelength - right now there should be immediate pressure in wasps - the media and council should be pressuring them to drop the indemnity clause.

when we’re back - then maybe just maybe we can work on ridding SISU

The coventrian said:

She lied.

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the fact is wasps were being eyed up as a potential club for the Ricoh before any rent strike occurred

The coventrian said:

No. Seppalla or fisher said they'd only return as owners of the freehold.

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a 250 lease is the next best thing to a freehold and they gave it to wasps out of spite in their pissing contest with sisu.
That decision will affect City long after sisu have fucked off.

I can't believe people on the one hand talk about SISU and their way with words and yet give credence to the 'unencumbered freehold' line. It is pretty obvious what the intention of that line was, it is to set out an opening negotiating position.

Grendel said:

the fact is wasps were being eyed up as a potential club for the Ricoh before any rent strike occurred

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Yeah I know but I guess as a more of a ground share thing. I doubt very much they'd of just parachuted wasps in without discussing it with city/sisu. Sisu would of tied them up in litigation galore if they'd of pulled that stunt.

Grendel said:

I don’t think logic comes into it

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Standard.

The coventrian said:

Yeah I know but I guess as a more of a ground share thing. I doubt very much they'd of just parachuted wasps in without discussing it with city/sisu. Sisu would of tied them up in litigation galore if they'd of pulled that stunt.

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You mean like when they sold it to Wasps when we were tennants?

Nick said:

You mean like when they sold it to Wasps when we were tennants?

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You mean after we quickly scuttled back to the ricoh and still had Fisher going on that plan A was still a new stadium? The damage was done. The council hate sisu. The breaking the lease was the catalyst for this. You need to look closer to home instead of blaming everyone else. Why are you so desperate to relieve sisu of any blame? What exactly is your agenda nick?

The coventrian said:

You mean after we quickly scuttled back to the ricoh and still had Fisher going on that plan A was still a new stadium? The damage was done. The council hate sisu. The breaking the lease was the catalyst for this. You need to look closer to home instead of blaming everyone else. Why are you so desperate to relieve sisu of any blame? What exactly is your agenda nick?

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It isn't relieving anybody of blame, it is pointing out facts in reply to your distorted statements.

Agenda? I'm not the one signing up and going into overdrive to try and push particular things regardless of how factually correct they are.

So you think that the Council would have asked SISU / CCFC about bringing Wasps here but when they did actually sell to them, the council were saying they were going to build trust with ownership in mind with regards to CCFC who were tenants at the time.

Nick said:

It isn't relieving anybody of blame, it is pointing out facts in reply to your distorted statements.

Agenda? I'm not the one signing up and going into overdrive to try and push particular things regardless of how factually correct they are.

So you think that the Council would have asked SISU / CCFC about bringing Wasps here but when they did actually sell to them, the council were saying they were going to build trust with ownership in mind with regards to CCFC who were tenants at the time.

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You sound like your talking about yourself tbh.

The coventrian said:

You sound like your talking about yourself tbh.

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So are you going to reply to the points or not?

You seem to be very good at firing things out but not very good at backing anything up.

Nick said:

So are you going to reply to the points or not?

You seem to be very good at firing things out but not very good at backing anything up.

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Do you honestly think that if there was no rent strike and we'd of stayed at the ricoh as normal that the council would of said on the eve of the first game of the season 'oh by the way weve a new Tennant for you to share with '. Do you actually believe the council would of done that? Could you imagine the court cases against them.

The coventrian said:

Do you honestly think that if there was no rent strike and we'd of stayed at the ricoh as normal that the council would of said on the eve of the first game of the season 'oh by the way weve a new Tennant for you to share with '. Do you actually believe the council would of done that? Could you imagine the court cases against them.

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Why would there have been a court case against them? On what basis?

If you remember the emails from Daniel Gidney, CCFC wasn't even a thought when they were trying to get Wasps there originally.

The coventrian said:

Do you honestly think that if there was no rent strike and we'd of stayed at the ricoh as normal that the council would of said on the eve of the first game of the season 'oh by the way weve a new Tennant for you to share with '. Do you actually believe the council would of done that? Could you imagine the court cases against them.

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how would there be a court case? As long as the clubs fixtures were not compromised I can’t see what aspect of the lease would be broken

Nick said:

Why would there have been a court case against them? On what basis?

If you remember the emails from Daniel Gidney, CCFC wasn't even a thought when they were trying to get Wasps there originally.

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Ok maybe not a court case but there would of been total uproar if they'd been forced on us surely.

What does it matter now anyway. Sisu left the ricoh empty during the 13/14 season and wasps with the help of the council swooped in and nicked it. What more is there to say?

Grendel said:

how would there be a court case? As long as the clubs fixtures were not compromised I can’t see what aspect of the lease would be broken

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I don't know. Maybe there was something in the lease that said we had to remain the sole tennant? We'll never know will we.

The coventrian said:

I don't know. Maybe there was something in the lease that said we had to remain the sole tennant? We'll never know will we.

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So you are just making up a scenario to suit even though the actual thing that happened doesn't match up?

Nick said:

So you are just making up a scenario to suit even though the actual thing that happened doesn't match up?

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You know exactly what I mean so don't try and be smart as it really doesn't suit you.

The coventrian said:

I don't know. Maybe there was something in the lease that said we had to remain the sole tennant? We'll never know will we.

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well as the council were actively seeking another tenant in 2012 I think we do

The coventrian said:

You know exactly what I mean so don't try and be smart as it really doesn't suit you.

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No, I don't know what you mean because it doesn't stack up with things that have actually happened?