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clint van damme

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Is it dwindling? How many were at Wembley?

our home gates are half of last season, and only likely to diminish further if we're at SA long term.
It's not sustainable.

The Wembley attendance is irrelevant, we know a large proportion of those people aren't going to turn up week in and week out as much as we'd like them to.
 

robbiekeane

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our home gates are half of last season, and only likely to diminish further if we're at SA long term.
It's not sustainable.
Top of the table at Xmas, championship next season...you think we’d have lower attendances?

You can’t discount Wembley at all. Because the fan base is there. To say the fan base is dwindling is inaccurate full stop.

I’m not advocating SA long term by the way, as much as I preferred the match day experience. But people don’t even know what they are asking for anymore they just love bitching and moaning.
 

cooperskyblue

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We need to be back at Coventry next season,in an ideal world, how likely that is I have no idea but by all accounts a deal with wasps wasn't that far away and just needs a compromise to take place.

I think we will be at St Andrew's all season but if we can get promoted the demand, if we then announced we were back at Ricoh for next season, would be great to see us back in the Championship.
 

Sick Boy

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You have missed out on a lot of detail in the middle.

How did we end up with SISU? How did we end up in so much debt? How much did we rent HR back for? Why didn't we buy the land that the Ricoh stands on with the proceeds from HR?

The answer to the above is a big part of getting us to the position we found ourselves in. Then SISU took over and thought they could take everyone on and win. They tried to batter everyone with constant court cases. And not a lot has changed since. And it seems like that is why we are now playing in Birmingham.

Yes there are others to blame. But most of the rest was caused by others not being willing to be steamrolled by SISU.

I mentioned the stuff with BR and the reason we ended up with SISU was because they were the Council's preferred bidder as they did not insist on buying the stadium.

Greed and the football club being shafted is a large part of where we find ourselves where we are today.
 

clint van damme

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Top of the table at Xmas, championship next season...you think we’d have lower attendances?

You can’t discount Wembley at all. Because the fan base is there. To say the fan base is dwindling is inaccurate full stop.

I’m not advocating SA long term by the way, as much as I preferred the match day experience. But people don’t even know what they are asking for anymore they just love bitching and moaning.

relying on being top of the table, in the Championship, having a Wembley appearance, selling a Bayliss, getting a sell on from a Wilson isn't a viable business plan to sustain a club with no home.

And there's a difference between fan base and attendances, our attendances are down 50%.

I prefer the SA match experience but to say it isn't sustainable long term isn't bitching and moaning, it's fact.
 

Sick Boy

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Not to keep opening the same can of worms, but while the rent was shocking, there were options. For example, would it have cost less to keep paying it while we built a stadium? That’s maybe £3m or so down the drain, but in the end will we have lost more (not to mention loss of good will) from the stadium moves?

Could we have better negotiated a deal? Was it smart to sour relations with the council first? Could the PR campaigns have been better used asking for a better deal rather than trying to get the Ricoh through legal means?

We sold HR. We failed to finance the Ricoh. We pawned our share in ACL. We broke our tenancy. We created the environment for Wasps. We filed with the EC to prevent talks.

There comes a time to take it on the chin and own up to your responsibility in a situation. Where Wasps play is up to their fans. Who they do business with is up to their owners. Third parties don’t owe us a living.

I seem to there being reports that CCFC had tried to renegotiate the rent with the council but they had refused. Don't forget that SISU were also the council's preferred bidder as they were not insisting on purchasing the stadium as the clueless Ranson didn't think it was important.

Multiple parties are to blame for where we are today and the actions of the council have played a major role in hindering us in the long-term, especially as the football club should be considered a community asset and there will come a day when SISU are long gone but we will be stuck with London Wasps and playing second fiddle to them all.
 

robbiekeane

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And there's a difference between fan base and attendances, our attendances are down 50%.
I quoted you saying “fan base”? Go check your post...

I prefer the SA match experience but to say it isn't sustainable long term isn't bitching and moaning, it's fact.
Thanks for sharing...did I say anything about people saying it’s unsustainable in the long term? I thought this was about people being upset the owners aren’t giving regular updates on their position?

Can’t keep up. Baffling.
 

clint van damme

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I quoted you saying “fan base”? Go check your post...


Thanks for sharing...did I say anything about people saying it’s unsustainable in the long term? I thought this was about people being upset the owners aren’t giving regular updates on their position?

Can’t keep up. Baffling.

So I used the term fan base instead of attendances, my mistake.

And it is about the owners keeping the support in the loop. People will put up with SA longer term if there's a concrete plan to get us back in to Cov or at least people see a concerted effort to get us back.
If there is no communication and people can't see an end to the exile then it will have a negative impact on attendances.

We might not see it while things are going as well as they are on the pitch but at some point we'll hit a sticky patch and it worries me what might happen then.
 

Mcbean

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Bizarrely I am not a well boy and at 3.30am this morning I popped the radio on and heard the repeat of this interview - he sounded composed and understanding of the fan situation - happy with the team and if course the results - said Jodi will be slowly reintegrated - personally The whole team has lifted a level since Jodi was making an impact -will be interesting to see how he manages this
 

Grendel

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It’s a long shot, but probably our best shot, but the best thing that could happen is we get promoted. Makes us more of a loss to Wasps and changes the financial situation. Plus it’ll boost the crowds while we are away.



On what planet did it start with Wasps? At every point we’ve voluntarily given up our stake in our own stadium, going back to Richardson.

Richardson didn’t give up the stake
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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Top of the table at Xmas, championship next season...you think we’d have lower attendances?

You can’t discount Wembley at all. Because the fan base is there. To say the fan base is dwindling is inaccurate full stop.

I’m not advocating SA long term by the way, as much as I preferred the match day experience. But people don’t even know what they are asking for anymore they just love bitching and moaning.
It’s hardly unnecessary bitching and moaning though is it? It’s not like saying the pies are shit and the beer’s warm. It’s an existential threat to our club and some information about the future would be helpful in maintaining the current attendance and / or encouraging fans that haven’t made the trip over yet.

Surely everyone agrees that if a plan to return was made public it would encourage more fans to attend this season (and next?). We are desperate for revenue and if it could be increased by some communication (assuming it was meaningful) then it would seem to be an obvious thing to do. Unless of course there is zero plan or the plan is ‘wait as long as it takes for wasps to go bust’. Which it probably is and that’s why fans will stop going as time passes.

You can call it moaning if you like, but if nobody ‘moans’ they’ll think nobody cares.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Top of the table at Xmas, championship next season...you think we’d have lower attendances?

You can’t discount Wembley at all. Because the fan base is there. To say the fan base is dwindling is inaccurate full stop.

I’m not advocating SA long term by the way, as much as I preferred the match day experience. But people don’t even know what they are asking for anymore they just love bitching and moaning.

The thing with IF we were Championship next season.

I think if we were in the mix and likely to get promoted this season attendances at Stans would increase, and that might lead to a small increase at the start of next season.

But it's widely perceived that the jump between Champ and L1 is much larger than between L1 &2. Look at the differences in wages and transfer fees for a start. So if we go up and struggle yes I think we'd have lower attendances, because there are people who don't want to go and watch their team more than likely get beaten, especially so when it involves a jorney to another city to do so..
 

NorthernWisdom

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Not to keep opening the same can of worms, but while the rent was shocking, there were options. For example, would it have cost less to keep paying it while we built a stadium? That’s maybe £3m or so down the drain, but in the end will we have lost more (not to mention loss of good will) from the stadium moves?

Could we have better negotiated a deal? Was it smart to sour relations with the council first? Could the PR campaigns have been better used asking for a better deal rather than trying to get the Ricoh through legal means?

We sold HR. We failed to finance the Ricoh. We pawned our share in ACL. We broke our tenancy. We created the environment for Wasps. We filed with the EC to prevent talks.

There comes a time to take it on the chin and own up to your responsibility in a situation. Where Wasps play is up to their fans. Who they do business with is up to their owners. Third parties don’t owe us a living.
What we did have to do if building a new stadium was break the lease, which gripped us into the Ricoh for all eternity.

tbh, more than happy with short term deals while we build our own ground... it just depends on the latter actually happening(!)
 

ccfcway

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people don’t even know what they are asking for anymore they just love bitching and moaning.

you do understand that the majority of those "bitching and moaning" are currently going and actually want more fans to go ?

Regarding not knowing what they are asking for, i'd like to start with this please....

Where we are at with discussions with wasps
Where we are at with discussions with council on woodlands
Where we are at with the council helping find us a plot
Last meeting with council and how it went
Last attempted meeting with council and next steps as there wasn’t one
Update on discussions with EFL about possibility of identifying a site just outside of the city boundary etc

Answers will enable no going fans to build up a picture of where the issue is, perhaps convincing some to come and support the team ...
 

chiefdave

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Where we are at with discussions with wasps
Where we are at with discussions with council on woodlands
Where we are at with the council helping find us a plot
Last meeting with council and how it went
Last attempted meeting with council and next steps as there wasn’t one
Update on discussions with EFL about possibility of identifying a site just outside of the city boundary etc
The problem is we know the answer to most of those questions and we know everything is at an impasse.

We know Wasps are blocking a return to the Ricoh unless the club agree to their ridiculous indemnification demands. We know the council are doing nothing as they have publicly stated they will do the absolute minimum required by law. There is no reason to think there has been a meeting with the council or will be one anytime soon and we know the council have failed to respond to requests from the club for meetings. As for the EFL the update will be there is nowhere for us to play in Coventry and we are working to locate a suitable site.

So what you're really suggesting is that the fans put pressure on the club to build a stadium outside the city therefore permanently moving the club out of Coventry. Is that really what you want?
 

ccfcway

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The problem is we know the answer to most of those questions and we know everything is at an impasse.

We know Wasps are blocking a return to the Ricoh unless the club agree to their ridiculous indemnification demands. We know the council are doing nothing as they have publicly stated they will do the absolute minimum required by law. There is no reason to think there has been a meeting with the council or will be one anytime soon and we know the council have failed to respond to requests from the club for meetings. As for the EFL the update will be there is nowhere for us to play in Coventry and we are working to locate a suitable site.

So what you're really suggesting is that the fans put pressure on the club to build a stadium outside the city therefore permanently moving the club out of Coventry. Is that really what you want?

Is it ?

Lets assume your comments are all correct (I have no reason to disagree with them).

If that's the case, every time CCFC provide fans with an update which pretty much states the blockage is the council, it may well make some realise its out of SISU's hands as clearly there are still come inaccuracies amongst the no goers.

I wasn't aware that the council had failed to respond to requests for meetings about a new ground recently ?. I assume that many others wouldn't be as well.
 

AStonesThrow

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At the end of the day, St Andrew's isnt as bad, in fact is much better than it could have been. Aside from all the complaints, we owe a massive thanks to BCFC and all involved with their club/ground/support for being so welcoming and helping us out when we were on our arse.

Will be interesting to see the turnout on Tuesday, will be tough for many with work and kids. I know my 2 boys will be missing out on this one as it's a school night. Anyone up for a beer pre game?!
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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Agree about the hospitality blues have shown, and also that Tuesday will be hard for some. I’ve got two kids and the missus works away a lot so physically can’t do it. Might get in trouble leaving an 8 year old alone all night!
 

shmmeee

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Just like to say Councils and politicians are all cunts ...solicitors too are a bunch of lying deceitful corrupt cunts as well

Hate this sentiment. It’s clearly not true as even a cursory glance into any politician outside the greasy pole for the top job would show you. And all it does is excuse the actual cunts, they get away with it because “they’re all the same”. It incentivises being a lying c**t because there’s no upside to not being.

Do better. We get the politicians we deserve.

/rant
 

clint van damme

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Hate this sentiment. It’s clearly not true as even a cursory glance into any politician outside the greasy pole for the top job would show you. And all it does is excuse the actual cunts, they get away with it because “they’re all the same”. It incentivises being a lying c**t because there’s no upside to not being.

Do better. We get the politicians we deserve.

/rant

A few years ago we were handed a cuntometer to judge our politicians by. Not 100% accurate but a decent indicator.

Just look at their expense claims, should point you in the right direction when determining their levels of cuntishness.
 

Warwickhunt

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The thing with IF we were Championship next season.

I think if we were in the mix and likely to get promoted this season attendances at Stans would increase, and that might lead to a small increase at the start of next season.

But it's widely perceived that the jump between Champ and L1 is much larger than between L1 &2. Look at the differences in wages and transfer fees for a start. So if we go up and struggle yes I think we'd have lower attendances, because there are people who don't want to go and watch their team more than likely get beaten, especially so when it involves a jorney to another city to do so..
If by a Miracle CCFC get promoted to the Championship I think SISU would cash their chips in!
 

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