Tories plan to raise retirement age to 75 (1 Viewer)

Otis

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The powers that be seem to want us to not have happy retirements don't they.

People are living longer, but at 75 you are much more likely to have health issues that curtail a lot of things you could maybe doing at 65.

I know I have arthritis in my fingers and knees. Not too bad now, but I hate to think how bad it might be by the time I get to 75.
 

wingy

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The powers that be seem to want us to not have happy retirements don't they.

People are living longer, but at 75 you are much more likely to have health issues that curtail a lot of things you could maybe doing at 65.

I know I have arthritis in my fingers and knees. Not too bad now, but I hate to think how bad it might be by the time I get to 75.
It's already onerous to a construction worker, there has to be some leeway between careers involving physical heavy work and those those that are sedentary for example.
It can't and shouldn't be imposed on a crude measure of age only.
All my joints are shot at 62
Osteoporosis arthritis in wrists knuckles knees and ankles. Probably declining from around age 50.
 

fernandopartridge

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It's already onerous to a construction worker, there has to be some leeway between careers involving physical heavy work and those those that are sedentary for example.
It can't and shouldn't be imposed on a crude measure of age only.
All my joints are shot at 62
Osteoporosis arthritis in wrists knuckles knees and ankles. Probably declining from around age 50.
Do you think they seriously give a fuck? Ironically it's older voters who back the Tories, turkeys voting for Christmas.

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clint van damme

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Don't worry, by the time they've dismantled the NHS and relaxed food standards so the Yanks can flood us with their shite none of is will live that long anyway
 

wingy

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Just to add
Probably averaged 55 hours a week minimum between the age of 25 to now.
Just saying.
 

Sick Boy

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Just to add
Probably averaged 55 hours a week minimum between the age of 25 to now.
Just saying.

Come on mate, it’s people like you that have led to this happening. You should be grateful you’re even being allowed a pension.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I work as a carer I’m gonna need to someone to look after me at work

Interesting they normally concentrate on screwing the younger in society but this marks a change to screw the elderly as well. Also unsurprising that the recommendation came from an Iain Duncan-Smith think tank.
 

Marty

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Maybe alright for office workers but for those of us who do physical work, there's absolutely no chance. Plenty where I work who's bodies are already breaking down in their 30s (me included).
 

stupot07

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Life expectancy is increasing, the elderly cost the government more money. This smacks of the tories wanting to lower life expectancy. With the added physical mental stress more people will die whilst still working age.

What a bunch of c***ts.

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Houchens Head

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I'm 66. Retired years ago (health reasons). Does this mean I'll have to go back to work? :emoji_smile: :emoji_smile: :emoji_thinking: :emoji_thinking: :banghead:
 

Grendel

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No one can survive in a state pension which is all this is so I’m not sure on the discussion point
 

Grendel

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Plenty of people have no option, they have to.

People can take personal pensions? They’d be a cut off so plenty older would be able to claim at the age now and there little excuse for anyone under 35 now to save. What is a state pension worth?
 

clint van damme

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People can take personal pensions? They’d be a cut off so plenty older would be able to claim at the age now and there little excuse for anyone under 35 now to save. What is a state pension worth?

Think it's about 600 quid a month for a couple.
Some people simply don't have enough to make adequate provisions.
With people living longer I understand the need to raise retirement age but 75 is a piss take.
 

fernandopartridge

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People can take personal pensions? They’d be a cut off so plenty older would be able to claim at the age now and there little excuse for anyone under 35 now to save. What is a state pension worth?
Significant numbers of people earn barely enough for here and now, 7m people are paid so poorly that they're entitled to tax credit. Where is the pension contribution coming from?

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Grendel

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Significant numbers of people earn barely enough for here and now, 7m people are paid so poorly that they're entitled to tax credit. Where is the pension contribution coming from?

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The strange thing is the countries in Europe that have the highest happiness ratings also have the highest retirement age - those in Scandinavia

This is not even a policy of course but a story in certain newspapers based off a think tank. It’s also worth noting several Eu countries are reviewing this post 2020 due to line expectancy

The issue of course again is the same as the NHS free for all statement. Do I need the state pension? No. Will I claim it? Yes

The fact the likes of say Richard Branson could claim if domiciled here is absurd
 

skybluetony176

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The strange thing is the countries in Europe that have the highest happiness ratings also have the highest retirement age - those in Scandinavia

This is not even a policy of course but a story in certain newspapers based off a think tank. It’s also worth noting several Eu countries are reviewing this post 2020 due to line expectancy

The issue of course again is the same as the NHS free for all statement. Do I need the state pension? No. Will I claim it? Yes

The fact the likes of say Richard Branson could claim if domiciled here is absurd

Scandinavian countries tend to have flexible pension ages not highest. State pension kicks in in Sweden at 65, Denmark 67 and Norway 67. Also the reason that they’re happy is not related to retirement age it’s related to a good work life balance and decent national health care. Easier to work later when your standard of life is better.

Denmark has the best work-life balance. Here’s why

Work life balance
 

Grendel

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Scandinavian countries tend to have flexible pension ages not highest. State pension kicks in in Sweden at 65, Denmark 67 and Norway 67. Also the reason that they’re happy is not related to retirement age it’s related to a good work life balance and decent national health care. Easier to work later when your standard of life is better.

Denmark has the best work-life balance. Here’s why

Work life balance

Which is ironic isn’t it when many use these countries as examples of why prison sentences are shorter and this is presented back as an argument against longer sentences in this country - which is why I made the point

Norway has a link to life expectancy and several other countries around Europe are reviewing and many are expecting to raise the age
 

skybluetony176

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Which is ironic isn’t it when many use these countries as examples of why prison sentences are shorter and this is presented back as an argument against longer sentences in this country - which is why I made the point

Norway has a link to life expectancy and several other countries around Europe are reviewing and many are expecting to raise the age

Prison sentences are shorter in Scandinavia as the emphasis is on rehabilitation not punishment, they then exit prison into a better welfare system than we do so transition back into functioning members of society is much higher and reoffending rates are much lower.

Still not sure what prison sentences in Scandinavian countries has to do with raising the pension age in the UK thought. Clearly you need some houses to go round.
 

Grendel

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Prison sentences are shorter in Scandinavia as the emphasis is on rehabilitation not punishment, they then exit prison into a better welfare system than we do so transition back into functioning members of society is much higher and reoffending rates are much lower.

Still not sure what prison sentences in Scandinavian countries has to do with raising the pension age in the UK thought. Clearly you need some houses to go round.

Oh dear. It’s do to with the fact these countries have different social and population demographics
 

skybluetony176

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Oh dear. It’s do to with the fact these countries have different social and population demographics

As I’ve pointed out to you so I’m not sure why you’re telling me oh dear when you’re the one trying to make out that raising the pension age to 75 will be OK because the Scandinavian countries are the happiest countries in the world. There’s more behind that happiness than retirement age.
 

PTA

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Maybe alright for office workers but for those of us who do physical work, there's absolutely no chance. Plenty where I work who's bodies are already breaking down in their 30s (me included).
Yep office workers who often earn more than physical workers anyway and can easily keep doing it longer.
 

dutchman

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OffenhamSkyBlue

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In theory yes. In practice most new pensioners receive less than that.The Department for Work and Pensions says the average weekly sum being paid to people eligible for the new State pension is £154.70. 37% of pensioners claiming under the new system are receiving less than £150 a week.

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The amount you're entitled to depends on whether your company pension scheme opted you out of the State earnings-related pension scheme or not.
 

OffenhamSkyBlue

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The issue here is not just that they won't have to pay the state pension until later, but that there will be more people continuing to pay tax and NI into the coffers.
 

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