Ask Neil (2 Viewers)

mark82 said:

For me, the Trust should be made up of one elected member from the following groups (elected by the members of said group):-

- Leamington & Warwick Supporters Club
- London Supporters Club
- The new Coventry based supporters club
- Sky Blues Talk
- The Facebook Group
- LGBT Group
plus any other recognised group.

That way, no-one could complain they don't have a voice.

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There's also Bed & Nun, Southam and a new one being started in Cov. Where do we stop? The JHW and it's one member will want one. Also we do already have a cross party one at CCFC with Dave Boddy etc, but nothing happened on there for about 18 months now and a trust rep included.

The fact remains though that all of the suggestions above and there are some great ones, won't be implemented. Why? Because the one sole positive position left is to say how many members and that they represent the biggest number of fans. As soon as some of the positive actions are taken from those above, they're unlikely to be able to make that claim and they know it - and let's be honest, a power trip is really the only reason some of them are there and why they won't give up that position.

rob9872 said:

There's also Bed & Nun, Southam and a new one being started in Cov. Where do we stop? The JHW and it's one member will want one. Also we do already have a cross party one at CCFC with Dave Boddy etc, but nothing happened on there for about 18 months now and a trust rep included.

The fact remains though that all of the suggestions above and there are some great ones, won't be implemented. Why? Because the one sole positive position left is to say how many members and that they represent the biggest number of fans. As soon as some of the positive actions are taken from those above, they're unlikely to be able to make that claim and they know it - and let's be honest, a power trip is really the only reason some of them are there and why they won't give up that position.

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If they have no interest in change, that's when the media should be hounded to take their voice away and all the other groups collectively say they don't represent them.

Grendel said:

Oh dear trust minutes are out from the AGM

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Think the person that wrote that must have been at a different meeting to the one others have reported back from on here.

They need to have it proof read to change things like "the pathetic crowds at Sixfields". What's the point? Why not just say "the vastly reduced attendance at Sixfields" ?

Something I'd like to add to the very decent points made already is that they shouldn't be doing anything behind closed doors. They are there to represent city supporters and not trust board members. Any meeting with London Wasps/CCC should be minuted and published in full. If the relevant party doesn't meet without acceding this then they should be called out on it publicly as failing to clarify to City supporters their position and direct action taken against them to bring them to the table.

mark82 said:

For me, the Trust should be made up of one elected member from the following groups (elected by the members of said group):-

- Leamington & Warwick Supporters Club
- London Supporters Club
- The new Coventry based supporters club
- Sky Blues Talk
- The Facebook Group
- LGBT Group
plus any other recognised group.

That way, no-one could complain they don't have a voice.

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I know you put 'and any other recognised group' but I think you need to bullet point the Welsh after ticket-gate.

Grendel said:

One argument the council used to get wasps here was economic benefit. Admittedly the data I find spurious but there is a method of calculation - so they should be using the same methods and showing the impact of the club being forced out through the media channels

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Can you ask Neil that seeing as the trust are experts in costing things up can they cost up the city’s loss in not having a football team here instead of pricing up the cost of new stadiums

mark82 said:

For me, the Trust should be made up of one elected member from the following groups (elected by the members of said group):-

- Leamington & Warwick Supporters Club
- London Supporters Club
- The new Coventry based supporters club
- Sky Blues Talk
- The Facebook Group
- LGBT Group
plus any other recognised group.

That way, no-one could complain they don't have a voice.

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The Facebook group elections would be fun. 100% putting forward a nomination for Wayne Matthews.

Things are a little weird round here at the moment:

- Grendel seems to be doing something decent/constructive - good work
- I cannot see any recent threads where Nick is having a ding dong with anyone - good work
- Hill83s 'gif-post' ratio seems to have decreased significantly recently
- Otis has been quieter on the bad joke front

In all seriousness, good effort on picking this up Grendel. Seems like a lot of good suggestions so far and I don't think I can add anything from afar.

I feel like there's a great opportunity now for the SBT to relook at what they do with feedback from all parties - the various supporters groups, SBT, FB group etc. It'll be interesting to see if G does get air time with this fella and if so, what comes of it.

I assume G that you'll circulate your 'list' to other Trust members so it's not only discussed with this Neil bloke but the likes of Moz etc will see it?

Skyblueweeman said:

- Grendel seems to be doing something decent/constructive - good work
- I cannot see any recent threads where Nick is having a ding dong with anyone - good work
- Hill83s 'gif-post' ratio seems to have decreased significantly recently
- Otis has been quieter on the bad joke front

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Apparently they’re all one bloke m8

I would like to give them the benefit of doubt until proved otherwise.

NW said that those who attended the meeting were given plenty of time to give their views and now this meeting with Grendel. Thank you to all of these for taking time to care.

I joined in the Casino years ago but have never had a single email/communicaton from them so assume that my form was lost or never processed.

I would be happy to join again to have the ability to vote on issues, but on-line voting needs to be available to members who cannot attend meetings in person.

Having read the AGM minutes though, the following comment in particular seems to suggest that things may not change. I find it insulting that they could put that people don't care.
Many people don’t seem to know what we are doing - though in some cases that maybe because they don’t actually care.

I shall continue to try and keep an open mind until after Grendel's meeting.

Legia Sky Blue said:

Agree with you mostly, but I disagree that picking the MK away day is the right time to hold a Wasps match day protest. While I understand the 'franchising' angle to such a protest, holding it on that day would prove divisive, when surely the idea is surely to bring as much of our support together as we can. Many will want to 'support' the team at MK, who might otherwise attend an anti Wasps protest, so why limit the numbers? Much better if there is a 'Trust' backed protest for it to be a televised match that doesn't clash with one of our own.

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Have to agree I have never told anyone not to go to Brum my own brother is going.
So I wont have anyone telling me I cant go to MK for a little franchise of my own.

Badger said:

Having read the AGM minutes though, the following comment in particular seems to suggest that things may not change. I find it insulting that they could put that people don't care.
Many people don’t seem to know what we are doing - though in some cases that maybe because they don’t actually care.

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What they said was:-

Many people don’t seem to know what we are doing - though in some cases that maybe because they don’t actually care

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I read that as maybe some don't care what the trust are doing, which I think is a fair comment.

Irish Sky Blue said:

Surely if point two is through some democratic process where representatives can be elected and removed if not representing the fan base then this is a good thing? If we had the German model where fans owned 51% of their club would this not stop another Sisu type owner taking over using the club for their own purpose? (Would be a good idea in Rugby Union too, to stop a Wasps type move away from their fan base). I think the more involvement of people who genuinely love the club the less chance of ending up in the mess we are in.

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I don't disagree but the financial situation in the English leagues means that this is not ever going to happen, the owners now are not going to give 51% of the decision making power away to fans that prevent them from selling the club, moving, putting up prices etc. The German model has more come from sponsorship and is a different business proposition, that sponsorship comes from the owners like Adidas/VW that own a minority interest etc

I'm aTrust member and they certainly don't represent my view. I don't understand their apparent inability (or refusal) to accept that Sisu are not the only ones to blame for our precicament. Wasps should not be here, and the Council should never have facilitated their move into the Ricoh. The Trust should be pro CCFC, and anti anyone who causes problems for the Sky Blues. That certainly includes Wasps and the Council.

Mild-Mannered Janitor said:

I don't disagree but the financial situation in the English leagues means that this is not ever going to happen, the owners now are not going to give 51% of the decision making power away to fans that prevent them from selling the club, moving, putting up prices etc. The German model has more come from sponsorship and is a different business proposition, that sponsorship comes from the owners like Adidas/VW that own a minority interest etc

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Problem is with the German model it’s likely that it would keep the status quo.

The top teams are always going to be Bayern. I like Man City and Chelsea because they were new teams at the time. Remember when it was just Man Utd and Arsenal? Now there’s 6 teams that could potentially win the title.

It’s very rare when Bayern don’t win the title

Nick said:

If they have no interest in change, that's when the media should be hounded to take their voice away and all the other groups collectively say they don't represent them.

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All the other groups also say they are not interested in the political side not allowed to bring anything up at there meetings.

letsallsingtogether said:

All the other groups also say they are not interested in the political side not allowed to bring anything up at there meetings.

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I think they should keep it that way.
They seem to be very successful at the moment, getting involved in this is a sure fire way to throw a spanner in the works.

Skyblueweeman said:

Things are a little weird round here at the moment:

- Grendel seems to be doing something decent/constructive - good work
- I cannot see any recent threads where Nick is having a ding dong with anyone - good work
- Hill83s 'gif-post' ratio seems to have decreased significantly recently
- Otis has been quieter on the bad joke front

In all seriousness, good effort on picking this up Grendel. Seems like a lot of good suggestions so far and I don't think I can add anything from afar.

I feel like there's a great opportunity now for the SBT to relook at what they do with feedback from all parties - the various supporters groups, SBT, FB group etc. It'll be interesting to see if G does get air time with this fella and if so, what comes of it.

I assume G that you'll circulate your 'list' to other Trust members so it's not only discussed with this Neil bloke but the likes of Moz etc will see it?

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Moz has left the trust, you might also like to know that Gray has gone.

letsallsingtogether said:

All the other groups also say they are not interested in the political side not allowed to bring anything up at there meetings.

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David Johnson has also said he has given up on CCFC.

The other groups can still say they aren't represented by the Trust without going into exact specifics.

The trust may feel that they have backed themselves into a corner but they do have a way out, they could use Oversons departure from the consortium and his subsequent comments about Wasps as a reason to change direction, saving face at the same time.

Good luck Grendel.

My feelings are the trust should be representative of all fans and we have to accept there are divided opinions within the fan base.

Action/ protest should be aimed at SISU, CCC and Wasps.

I was really anti SISU for taking us to Northampton. But equally against Wasps being in Coventry for the same reasons.

CCC also are not blameless in this on going saga.

The trust for me are not proactive enough against the three above parties or campaigning enough via the media.

I am not convinced they represent the fan base or even their paid up members?

Grendel said:

Like joe Elliot?

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Would Joe Elliot be elected? I doubt it.

Irish Sky Blue said:

Would Joe Elliot be elected? I doubt it.

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Depends who was voting

Ask Neil:
Why have the "trust" refused to acknowledge the part played by Wasps and CCC in forcing the club out of it's own City. (Some statements have mentioned "parties involved" but never (I believe) specifically those mentioned above)

Why does whoever is in charge of the Trusts twitter account only like/retweet any anti SISU comments. (a few, very small amount of others may slip through!)

Why have any approaches to them to drive/push pressure against Wasps been ignored or fobbed off... or even the instance where they distanced themselves from a small protest..?

Why have they (allegedly) met Wasps and the council behind closed doors, then applauded the council, and wasps in a cosy up before a trip to london for a SISU out protest....?

Why do they have the make up of board members as they have (ex councillor) , members who go under false names on twitter to abuse/discredit others who speak out against Wasps/council...

What exactly was their part in the consortium (truth please!)

Nick said:

David Johnson has also said he has given up on CCFC.

The other groups can still say they aren't represented by the Trust without going into exact specifics.

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So it's alright for them not to go into the reason why?
Double standards.
Btw I am in the Coventry supporters branch.

Johnnythespider said:

Moz has left the trust, you might also like to know that Gray has gone.

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Oh right. Point stands though about whether it would be shared with other members etc.

Thanks for pointing that out though.

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Can someone from the trust explain the hypocrisy of the continued criticism of CCFC's temporary move to Northampton and the applauding/welcoming of the insect scum's permanent move to the Ricoh?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:

Problem is with the German model it’s likely that it would keep the status quo.

The top teams are always going to be Bayern. I like Man City and Chelsea because they were new teams at the time. Remember when it was just Man Utd and Arsenal? Now there’s 6 teams that could potentially win the title.

It’s very rare when Bayern don’t win the title

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Ask anyone in Germany if they'd rather have our system of 'Whose tycoon is richest', it doesn't get much support. One thing's for certain we wouldn't have been carted off to Northampton and Birmingham with that type of regulation

Liquid Gold said:

Something I'd like to add to the very decent points made already is that they shouldn't be doing anything behind closed doors. They are there to represent city supporters and not trust board members. Any meeting with London Wasps/CCC should be minuted and published in full. If the relevant party doesn't meet without acceding this then they should be called out on it publicly as failing to clarify to City supporters their position and direct action taken against them to bring them to the table.

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Are they really there to represent city supporters? It seems they are merely there to represent themselves.

My view on The Trust is that In being so anti-SISU they failed to spot the enemy hiding in plain sight.

That a few of their ‘executive’ had personal agendas, fuelled by promises of board representation in a takeover consortium.

That many were so biased against the owners that they supported administration which cost the football team points, that ruined a crucial season.

In the Stadium saga-The Trust really have not issued a statement supporting the team over the council or Wasps and in fact have actively encouraged agents working with Wasps/Council.

A complete rebrand is needed as the name ‘The Trust’ has become so ironic that they are in danger of becoming a laughing stock.

Someone once said ‘Never believe your own hype’-if The Trust are to build bridges with CCFC fans they need to start showing supporters that they have the football team at heart.

They need to start the Stadium backlash against the council and Wasps and they need to start backing Mark Robins and his team by persuading as many fans as possible to travel to Brum.


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Genuinely shocking if the reason why some SBT members have been so gutless it's because they naively thought they would be rewarded by having a seat in the boardroom if/when this Hoffman takeover ever happens. Incredibly self serving and really, really dumb. It reminds me of these Leicester City fans who are still genuinely waiting for the Jamie Vardy movie to be released in the cinemas...
NEVER
GOING
TO
HAPPEN!

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