Transfer Rumour Bids for Chaplin (1 Viewer)

robbiekeane said:

Why do you always go back to this? It works both ways...yes it’s unlikely we get a cheque for 1m but exactly as you say - we also wouldn’t have paid out the transfer fee up front either?

I expect all transfer fees in and out are in monthly instalments so for all intents and purposes, it’s the same as getting a cheque in and writing a cheque out isn’t it?

You can do better than that

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Which is the point isn’t it. Selling a player is less costly than buying one as selling a player attracts a fee buying a player costs a fee, an agents fee and a signing on fee for the player the latter two we have already splurged on Chaplin

Also the budgets for player investment is capped at 60% of revenue - so less a players signing costs and any sell on fee to Portsmouth what profit is there to invest

Grendel said:

Which is the point isn’t it. Selling a player is less costly than buying one as selling a player attracts a fee buying a player costs a fee, an agents fee and a signing on fee for the player the latter two we have already splurged on Chaplin

Also the budgets for player investment is capped at 60% of revenue - so less a players signing costs and any sell on fee to Portsmouth what profit is there to invest

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I thought you kept trying to make the point about fees received being in instalments which makes no sense because outgoing fees are often the same.

Anyway, back to your post funny you should say that. I’ve been reading the secret footballer and apparently a lot of players settle on the outstanding value of their contract with the selling club, even though they are getting a new one with the buying club?? Is that right? As long as they don’t request a transfer that is

robbiekeane said:

I thought you kept trying to make the point about fees received being in instalments which makes no sense because outgoing fees are often the same.

Anyway, back to your post funny you should say that. I’ve been reading the secret footballer and apparently a lot of players settle on the outstanding value of their contract with the selling club, even though they are getting a new one with the buying club?? Is that right? As long as they don’t request a transfer that is

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It is
Two recent examples are Bigi when he came back from Newcastle and Joe Cole when he came from Villa
Their contracts were paid up so they could leave immediately and come here to play football
Generally speaking clubs don't want senior players around the place if they aren't in the manager's plans

better days said:

It is
Two recent examples are Bigi when he came back from Newcastle and Joe Cole when he came from Villa
Their contracts were paid up so they could leave immediately and come here to play football
Generally speaking clubs don't want senior players around the place if they aren't in the manager's plans

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Which is very unlikely in the scenario we are in

Grendel said:

Which is very unlikely in the scenario we are in

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Correct
It's normally only big clubs who do it
Smaller clubs usually can't afford it

got talent but didnt fit our formation and he is very slow

good luck to him and if we got the rumoured 1m thats very good indeed

i am sure robins will be looking to replace him with someone better suited to how we want to play this year, or maybe its to get bright which we would all take

robbiekeane said:

I thought you kept trying to make the point about fees received being in instalments which makes no sense because outgoing fees are often the same.

Anyway, back to your post funny you should say that. I’ve been reading the secret footballer and apparently a lot of players settle on the outstanding value of their contract with the selling club, even though they are getting a new one with the buying club?? Is that right? As long as they don’t request a transfer that is

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It does seem odd doesn't it. I guess it depends on how much the team wants to get the player off the books and if they can afford it. Sometimes it's a 'loyalty bonus'.

Personally for me I wouldn't offer it, especially if said player was leaving on a free. If they wanted their contract paid up in full I'd tell them they can - in monthly installments until the end of the contract. It's called being paid. In the meantime enjoy sitting with your arse on the couch or paying your own personal trainer. If they want to leave that badly they can hand in a transfer request and agree in writing to forego any further payments.

You wouldn't pay a builder who was halfway through a build the full sum if they decided at that point there was another project elsewhere they'd much rather do and if you don't let them do it they'll either stop working or do a half-arsed job of it. And you then have to bring in another builder and pay them to finish it. No - you'd be suing the builder for breach of contract.

If they really wanted the value of their contract I'd tell them to get it from their new club in their signing on fee. If the new club want them that badly they'll pay it.

I always thought the signing on fee was the settle up fee.

I remember reading a few years back that players rarely put in formal transfer requests because they forgo that fee.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:

I always thought the signing on fee was the settle up fee.

I remember reading a few years back that players rarely put in formal transfer requests because they forgo that fee.

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Might be wrong but the selling club pay up the remainder of players contract or a pre-agreed figure, if a transfer hasn’t been requested and a signing on fee is paid by the buying club not always as a lump sum but alongside wages on a monthly. basis. Agents can get money both ways. Some of the big boys have agents who’s job it is to try and move players on. Nice little earner for some

better days said:

It is
Two recent examples are Bigi when he came back from Newcastle and Joe Cole when he came from Villa
Their contracts were paid up so they could leave immediately and come here to play football
Generally speaking clubs don't want senior players around the place if they aren't in the manager's plans

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Both of those are examples of where the departing player is likely to be taking a pay cut, so to me that makes more sense as they wouldn't want to lose out. The way I read it in that book though is that it's often the case (with bigger clubs im sure) regardless of the new wages being offered. Is that right?

Just bumped into Chaplin up the Ricoh

cc84cov said:

Just bumped into Chaplin up the Ricoh

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Really?

cc84cov said:

Just bumped into Chaplin up the Ricoh

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Wasps goal kicker?

Nick said:

Really?

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Was sorting a phone in carphone warehouse he was sat next to me with his Mrs

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:

I always thought the signing on fee was the settle up fee.

I remember reading a few years back that players rarely put in formal transfer requests because they forgo that fee.

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Yep - that's why I'd demand a formal transfer request and agreement to forego future payments. If they refuse, they clearly don't want to leave that much do they.

There may have been a time where the signing on fee was to cover the settlement of the previous contract. It may even still be the case at lower levels of the game. But higher up and the greed now intrinsic in it, esp by agents, they see it that the player can have both and they then get their share.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:

Yep - that's why I'd demand a formal transfer request and agreement to forego future payments. If they refuse, they clearly don't want to leave that much do they.

There may have been a time where the signing on fee was to cover the settlement of the previous contract. It may even still be the case at lower levels of the game. But higher up and the greed now intrinsic in it, esp by agents, they see it that the player can have both and they then get their share.

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I thought a signing on fee was a percentage of the transfer fee ? 10% of £1m = 100k signing on fee

Magwitch said:

Might be wrong but the selling club pay up the remainder of players contract or a pre-agreed figure, if a transfer hasn’t been requested and a signing on fee is paid by the buying club not always as a lump sum but alongside wages on a monthly. basis. Agents can get money both ways. Some of the big boys have agents who’s job it is to try and move players on. Nice little earner for some

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At most I would agree in the contract that if they left I'd continue paying them their salary until they register with another club. That way if it is a player initiated transfer then the payments won't last long. If it is the club trying to move a player out then the player has the security of the remainder of their contract.

cc84cov said:

I thought a signing on fee was a percentage of the transfer fee ? 10% of £1m = 100k signing on fee

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The signing fee can be whatever you make it to be in the contract. Otherwise players moving on a Bosman would get £0 signing on fee, when part of the draw of leaving on a free is a big signing on fee becase the club are saving on the transfer fee. Basically the player gets the transfer fee instead. Doesn't even have to be monetary - could be a house, car whatever.

Nick said:

Really?

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I guess he's still got stuff to move/sort out, and people etc he wants to see/say goodbye to

Although at the Ricoh doesn't make much sense - you'd have thought all our people/stuff would've been gone from there by now

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:

I guess he's still got stuff to move/sort out, and people etc he wants to see/say goodbye to

Although at the Ricoh doesn't make much sense - you'd have thought all our people/stuff would've been gone from there by now

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Probably starts up there from Monday as you say sorting stuff etc here first met him a few times up the ground etc he’s a nice fella all the best to him our system just didn’t suit him I feel we will all never forget that winner at Sunderland.

Magwitch said:

Might be wrong but the selling club pay up the remainder of players contract or a pre-agreed figure, if a transfer hasn’t been requested and a signing on fee is paid by the buying club not always as a lump sum but alongside wages on a monthly. basis. Agents can get money both ways. Some of the big boys have agents who’s job it is to try and move players on. Nice little earner for some

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Bale seems to be an extreme case in point. Real Madrid apparently prepared to pay him 25m plus supplement his wages at a new club. An idiosyncrasy of football loanees generally can't play against parent club but can play against clubs still paying them money.

Are they selling phones out of the Ricoh now?

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Just watched Barnsley 4-0 win over a German side highlights Chaplin & Thomas both played Chaplin set up thomas for a goal & tbh took it past the defender at pace he looked lightening lol

robbiekeane said:

Both of those are examples of where the departing player is likely to be taking a pay cut, so to me that makes more sense as they wouldn't want to lose out. The way I read it in that book though is that it's often the case (with bigger clubs im sure) regardless of the new wages being offered. Is that right?

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That's exactly it
In the past players would just sit out their contract even though they had no chance of playing
Players in that position are sometimes trouble-makers and even if they behave reasonably there can be jealousy if they're on much bigger wages than the guys who are in the team
If the out of favour player is in demand they are often loaned out with the host club perhaps paying part of his wages just to get him out of the building
Sometimes the club prefers to pay them off to get them away from the premises for good - especially if they've been causing rows and falling out with people
This is what happened with Craig Bellamy at Man City and more recently Arnoutovich at West Ham - everyone was glad to see the back of them
There was an article in the Sunday Times yesterday saying that Man U would do well to pay off Alexis Sanchez for a similar reason

better days said:

This is what happened with Craig Bellamy at Man City

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Is that why Man City were so accommodating in his move to Cardiff? Eg. Paying the bulk of his wages?

vow said:

Is that why Man City were so accommodating in his move to Cardiff? Eg. Paying the bulk of his wages?

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It was
He caused similar problems at Liverpool before that - remember he hit a team mate with a golf club then made a joke of it?
He's recently been sacked by Cardiff for bullying youth team players

better days said:

It was
He caused similar problems at Liverpool before that - remember he hit a team mate with a golf club then made a joke of it?
He's recently been sacked by Cardiff for bullying youth team players

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And now he is the new u21 coach at Anderlecht

better days said:

It was
He caused similar problems at Liverpool before that - remember he hit a team mate with a golf club then made a joke of it?
He's recently been sacked by Cardiff for bullying youth team players

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He was never sacked. He stepped down while investigations were carried out and recently decided to take up the new position in Belgium. The investigation into him is still ongoing.