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Nick

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NorthernWisdom said:
I'm sorry, but this burning bridges is a lazy excuse. I offered the opportunity of a Wasps protest, I offered the opportunity to give feedback, and I get feeble excuses, or convenient vanishing whenever I bring it up.

Then, all credibility is lost and the claim that it's a load of empty keyboard warriors gains credence.
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I get people not being constructive but just moaning.

However the burning bridges stuff is interesting, how did the other fans groups take it when you had David Johnson and his sidekick going into overdrive about them backing SISU's court action and being SISU Lovers and all of that aimless shit? Do you think they have burnt bridges with people who use forums and social media by saying they have no credibility just because they don't want to accept that people don't feel represented by them, because 5 old men who go to every meeting pat them on the back and blow smoke up their arse?

There are a lot of bridges to rebuild.
 
Nick

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I suggested in the thread started by CJ

1) SISU - start getting a new stadium built, let’s see tangible proof that it’s happening.

2) Wasps - fucking drop your ludicrous demands for indemnity, and let’s get a deal that suits both parties. Or organise boycotts, publically condemn their presence given that they’ve done what we done when we went to Northampton and Birmingham (Trust are against this when we do it - but wasps are good)

3) Council - Work with the club to get them a home, prompt options if you have to - back sisu into a corner.

Once all of this is done we can see the real villains in this piece

Of course 2 & 3 were ignored and it went to “SISU SELL UP”
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Wasn't it "we had meetings with Wasps and CCC to tell them and really pressure them but it was secret".

At the same time they were meeting with Hoffman and Hoffman was getting Wasps on board with the consortium.
 
usskyblue

usskyblue

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Let’s be honest. As far as the Trust is concerned nothing has really changed....apart from, perhaps, a dodgy out and a dodgy in.

I’m eager to see something tangible towards a change of direction but I think I’ll see a new fucking stadium first.
 
NorthernWisdom

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Nick said:
I get people not being constructive but just moaning.
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What winds me up is some (not all) who vanish when the opportunity is there to actually do something. it may be futile, but not even an attempt because it's easier to be proved right when you don't try to change things.

I understand there are reasons and not everybody can do everything all the time. Hell, I remember being keen they organised something at Arsenal away when we were at Northampton... and then realising I was on holiday and couldn't go myself(!)

But... that made me feel pretty feeble and inept, calling on others to do something, doing nothing myself, and not even trying. You (in the general sense! Not you specifically!) expect half a dozen beleaguered goons to be mindreaders, to carry the hopes of thousands on their shoulders, and be supermen when at the end of the day they're well-meaning volunteers who stuff up half the time. And half the time it's because they don't have the expertise or skillset (I don't mean this as a criticism, there's much I can't do in life ;)) but nobody comes forward to help either.

People on here wanted a Wasps protest? They got one, and attendance was diabolical and we all wandered around scratching our arses.

People on here wanted the opportunity to feed back about the direction the trust was going? They got it. We went, we were listened to. How much? Who knows, but I'm not going to condemn people without giving them a chance. I'm also realistic enough to know that change doesn't happen instantly, evolution rather than revolution. But we were listened to because we made the effort. Had we not done so, and left it to the SISU Out and only SISU Out, whatever it takes in terms of other parties... then that's the direction trust policy would go. Expecting change while not meeting halfway and encouraging change, talking about change, and pushing for it just won't happen and it's daft to expect it to.

Do I expect a revolution? Nope. Do I think it's easy to moan without actually sticking your head above the parapit? Yep.
 
usskyblue

usskyblue

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NorthernWisdom said:
What winds me up is some (not all) who vanish when the opportunity is there to actually do something. it may be futile, but not even an attempt because it's easier to be proved right when you don't try to change things.

I understand there are reasons and not everybody can do everything all the time. Hell, I remember being keen they organised something at Arsenal away when we were at Northampton... and then realising I was on holiday and couldn't go myself(!)

But... that made me feel pretty feeble and inept, calling on others to do something, doing nothing myself, and not even trying. You (in the general sense! Not you specifically!) expect half a dozen beleaguered goons to be mindreaders, to carry the hopes of thousands on their shoulders, and be supermen when at the end of the day they're well-meaning volunteers who stuff up half the time. And half the time it's because they don't have the expertise or skillset (I don't mean this as a criticism, there's much I can't do in life ;)) but nobody comes forward to help either.

People on here wanted a Wasps protest? They got one, and attendance was diabolical and we all wandered around scratching our arses.

People on here wanted the opportunity to feed back about the direction the trust was going? They got it. We went, we were listened to. How much? Who knows, but I'm not going to condemn people without giving them a chance. I'm also realistic enough to know that change doesn't happen instantly, evolution rather than revolution. But we were listened to because we made the effort. Had we not done so, and left it to the SISU Out and only SISU Out, whatever it takes in terms of other parties... then that's the direction trust policy would go. Expecting change while not meeting halfway and encouraging change, talking about change, and pushing for it just won't happen and it's daft to expect it to.

Do I expect a revolution? Nope. Do I think it's easy to moan without actually sticking your head above the parapit? Yep.
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You talk a good game. But it’s incumbent on the Trust to show they’ve changed. Perhaps then you can castigate the moaners and with a fair stance, ask them to turn up.
 
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Nick

Nick

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NorthernWisdom said:
What winds me up is some (not all) who vanish when the opportunity is there to actually do something. it may be futile, but not even an attempt because it's easier to be proved right when you don't try to change things.

I understand there are reasons and not everybody can do everything all the time. Hell, I remember being keen they organised something at Arsenal away when we were at Northampton... and then realising I was on holiday and couldn't go myself(!)

But... that made me feel pretty feeble and inept, calling on others to do something, doing nothing myself, and not even trying. You (in the general sense! Not you specifically!) expect half a dozen beleaguered goons to be mindreaders, to carry the hopes of thousands on their shoulders, and be supermen when at the end of the day they're well-meaning volunteers who stuff up half the time. And half the time it's because they don't have the expertise or skillset (I don't mean this as a criticism, there's much I can't do in life ;)) but nobody comes forward to help either.

People on here wanted a Wasps protest? They got one, and attendance was diabolical and we all wandered around scratching our arses.

People on here wanted the opportunity to feed back about the direction the trust was going? They got it. We went, we were listened to. How much? Who knows, but I'm not going to condemn people without giving them a chance. I'm also realistic enough to know that change doesn't happen instantly, evolution rather than revolution. But we were listened to because we made the effort. Had we not done so, and left it to the SISU Out and only SISU Out, whatever it takes in terms of other parties... then that's the direction trust policy would go. Expecting change while not meeting halfway and encouraging change, talking about change, and pushing for it just won't happen and it's daft to expect it to.

Do I expect a revolution? Nope. Do I think it's easy to moan without actually sticking your head above the parapit? Yep.
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I've seen people with skillsets offer their time and what they know. If I remember in the Wasps thread there was somebody who worked in digital marketing who was happy to help out by promoting something online? I have offered technical stuff which is what I know. I don't doubt that if they said "we need a printer, we need a supplier for this, we need x and y" then people would be able to help out amongst us.

One of the issues is out of how many members the Trust have (couple of thousand on record?) Why is the only option to be listened to to go to the pub on a Monday night? It's 2019.

Is it not then misleading when they come out speaking on behalf of fans / members when in reality it's probably based on 1% of their members?

You say about meeting halfway, do you think that would actually happen? It's just when I am inviting a new board member to have constructive discussion with fans he is saying they have no credibility.

Is it not time for the Trust to start making an effort with the fans? Have they even asked why people don't feel represented by them yet or are they just taking the word of the old boys / their mates in the pub that everything they do is amazing?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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NorthernWisdom said:
What winds me up is some (not all) who vanish when the opportunity is there to actually do something. it may be futile, but not even an attempt because it's easier to be proved right when you don't try to change things.

I understand there are reasons and not everybody can do everything all the time. Hell, I remember being keen they organised something at Arsenal away when we were at Northampton... and then realising I was on holiday and couldn't go myself(!)

But... that made me feel pretty feeble and inept, calling on others to do something, doing nothing myself, and not even trying. You (in the general sense! Not you specifically!) expect half a dozen beleaguered goons to be mindreaders, to carry the hopes of thousands on their shoulders, and be supermen when at the end of the day they're well-meaning volunteers who stuff up half the time. And half the time it's because they don't have the expertise or skillset (I don't mean this as a criticism, there's much I can't do in life ;)) but nobody comes forward to help either.

People on here wanted a Wasps protest? They got one, and attendance was diabolical and we all wandered around scratching our arses.

People on here wanted the opportunity to feed back about the direction the trust was going? They got it. We went, we were listened to. How much? Who knows, but I'm not going to condemn people without giving them a chance. I'm also realistic enough to know that change doesn't happen instantly, evolution rather than revolution. But we were listened to because we made the effort. Had we not done so, and left it to the SISU Out and only SISU Out, whatever it takes in terms of other parties... then that's the direction trust policy would go. Expecting change while not meeting halfway and encouraging change, talking about change, and pushing for it just won't happen and it's daft to expect it to.

Do I expect a revolution? Nope. Do I think it's easy to moan without actually sticking your head above the parapit? Yep.
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Thing is we have - CJ made a thread and asked for input... some of us put input - it was ignored

There’s only so much you can do, they need to open up to more than a piss up on a Monday night at the Albany.

They don’t need to be mindreaders - they’ve got selective choosing of opinions.

When it’s SISU OUT - they’re all on it, suggestions otherwise - they’re busy.

The wasps protest wasn’t advertised, the trust stayed away from endorsing it. People look to the trust to lead things like this
 
Mild-Mannered Janitor

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I suggested in the thread started by CJ

1) SISU - start getting a new stadium built, let’s see tangible proof that it’s happening.
2) Wasps - fucking drop your ludicrous demands for indemnity, and let’s get a deal that suits both parties. Or organise boycotts, publically condemn their presence given that they’ve done what we done when we went to Northampton and Birmingham (Trust are against this when we do it - but wasps are good)
3) Council - Work with the club to get them a home, prompt options if you have to - back sisu into a corner.
Once all of this is done we can see the real villains in this piece
Of course 2 & 3 were ignored and it went to “SISU SELL UP”
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I don't think the trust should be doing this, my view is they should be asking questions about this, may be semantics but its all about making them squeeze to find the truth or the stances between the parties, my parts on this would be:

1) SISU - Can you tell us to date how many sites have been considered, which ones are shortlisted and what advisors are employed to take this to a planning committee, do we have timing on a potential purchase or option to purchase the most suitable site
2) Wasps, can you be clearer on the terms you cannot agree on and why you believe them important to the successful running of your business and the marriage value of Landlord/Tenant together at the Ricoh
3) What sites have you identified suitable for a sporting venue or what options and support have you given to Wasps/SISU to help bridge a long term sub lease or co terminus head lease on an under utilised asset that you still own? Have you also calculated the value to the local economy of a Lg2, Lg1, Champ or prem club to the city and surrounding areas for local business and taxation. What is this value and can this not somehow financially support Wasps/SISU?

It should all be about the what and why to make them squirm.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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Mild-Mannered Janitor said:
I don't think the trust should be doing this, my view is they should be asking questions about this, may be semantics but its all about making them squeeze to find the truth or the stances between the parties, my parts on this would be:

1) SISU - Can you tell us to date how many sites have been considered, which ones are shortlisted and what advisors are employed to take this to a planning committee, do we have timing on a potential purchase or option to purchase the most suitable site
2) Wasps, can you be clearer on the terms you cannot agree on and why you believe them important to the successful running of your business and the marriage value of Landlord/Tenant together at the Ricoh
3) What sites have you identified suitable for a sporting venue or what options and support have you given to Wasps/SISU to help bridge a long term sub lease or co terminus head lease on an under utilised asset that you still own? Have you also calculated the value to the local economy of a Lg2, Lg1, Champ or prem club to the city and surrounding areas for local business and taxation. What is this value and can this not somehow financially support Wasps/SISU?

It should all be about the what and why to make them squirm.
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Sorry I was genralising - this is what the trust should be pushing the parties to do. The trust has power to make life difficult for all parties and that’s what they should be doing.

SISU Have to know they’re pissing about, they need to know that we’re the fans and it’s our club.

Wasps need to know they’re new here - we represent a big sporting presence, we can make their life difficult financially.

The council need to be pushed - recent events have shown they don’t like to bad press - get up them as it were
 
Nick

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
If you needed further points that trust needs to explain: please refer to this tweet when talking to David Johnson
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The irony is that he had written a 12,000 word article himself with an ex council leader basically saying why the council aren't to blame for anything with the Council Leader kept referring to.

"Mouth Piece" was ironic.

Look at the replies to that tweet and see how it went down. This is what the Trust should be addressing, those are the bridges that should be being built.
 
Grendel

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So Dave Eyles is the new leader - someone who on his meet the board section said he couldn’t attend matches with these owners even before we left the Ricoh

Building bridges Dave?
 
Grendel

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SkyBlueZack said:
He gives the owners as the reason and not the groundshare. I’d say he’s unwilling to work with the club. As chair of the trust, how can that work?!
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Pretty well I’d have thought!
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Grendel said:
So Dave Eyles is the new leader - someone who on his meet the board section said he couldn’t attend matches with these owners even before we left the Ricoh

Building bridges Dave?
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Where did he say he couldn't go to the Ricoh under the current owners because he was there every week?
 
Grendel

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clint van damme said:
Where did he say he couldn't go to the Ricoh under the current owners because he was there every week?
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He says a season ticket holder for many years whose unable to renew under current owners and that’s been his intro on the site for at least two years
 
chiefdave

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NorthernWisdom said:
I'm sorry, but this burning bridges is a lazy excuse. I offered the opportunity of a Wasps protest, I offered the opportunity to give feedback, and I get feeble excuses, or convenient vanishing whenever I bring it up.

Then, all credibility is lost and the claim that it's a load of empty keyboard warriors gains credence.
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The Wasps protest was nothing to do with the trust so not sure what that has to do with anything. It only shows the trust in a bad light as people were asking them to arrange something and got silence. It took a lot of pressure to get them to even tweet about it and when they did they made it very clear it was nothing to do with them. Of course as soon as the media wanted someone to speak about it on the day they were front and centre.

I didn't realise that not being able to attend one protest, arranged at the last minute, invalidated your opinion on all other matters.

The very fact that so few people turn up to trust meetings should send a message loud and clear. As for giving feedback that has been done time and time again and is just ignored as the trust board do their own thing. It's for that reason many people will need to see some evidence of a change before they have any faith in the trust.
 
NorthernWisdom

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chiefdave said:
The Wasps protest was nothing to do with the trust so not sure what that has to do with anything
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So you're saying you'll only go to a Wssps protest if it's organised by the trust?!? Give me strength!
chiefdave said:
I didn't realise that not being able to attend one protest, arranged at the last minute, invalidated your opinion on all other matters.
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I have others who PM me and apologise with decent reasons and encouragement. Others, however, go silent whenever it's time to put a head above the parapet.

Time and time again.
 
Grendel

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NorthernWisdom said:
So you're saying you'll only go to a Wssps protest if it's organised by the trust?!? Give me strength!


I have others who PM me and apologise with decent reasons and encouragement. Others, however, go silent whenever it's time to put a head above the parapet.

Time and time again.
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I would assume a wasps protest is a basic minimum from the supporters group not a round of applause
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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NorthernWisdom said:
So you're saying you'll only go to a Wssps protest if it's organised by the trust?!? Give me strength!


I have others who PM me and apologise with decent reasons and encouragement. Others, however, go silent whenever it's time to put a head above the parapet.

Time and time again.
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No he’s not saying that, I’ve pointed this out before - people look to the Trust, they still have influence over those who don’t read every little thing.

They have the logistical know how (see marches) to arrange this.

They’re supposed to be the voice for the fans - fucking applauding the very people evicting is is sickening
 
Nick

Nick

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clint van damme said:
Where did he say he couldn't go to the Ricoh under the current owners because he was there every week?
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That's what I don't get. Why the pretence of refusing to go but going.

Almost like a badge of honour, if he went every week then fair play to him
 
Nick

Nick

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NorthernWisdom said:
At least you turned up for that! If we'd had more, it'd be easier to sell why the Trust should get more involved in things like that, that's for sure.
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Why does it need to be sold to the trust? Why did I need to sell promoting the season ticket fund to them to get a tweet?

You say about building bridges but it seems it's the trust that needs to get in line with the fans and not the other way.
 
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