Private Renting Advice Needed (1 Viewer)

It’s a notice of eviction which technically means you can be evicted in 8 weeks

shmmeee said:

Yeah I’m aware of that. Like I say it’s the way the agent played it as no biggie that’s thrown me off.

It’s invalid anyway as they’ve fucked the dates up on it. But doesn’t bode well for a healthy tenant/landlord relationship.

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It’s a bit strange to issue a formal notice - the cynic in me thinks that they are trying to hedge their bets here by issuing it as a means of seeing if they can find other tenants who can pay more. I do have friends who I worked with who rent and I’m seeing them tomorrow. I’ll ask but I don’t think this is normal - why issue the formal notice if there is zero intent to act?

shmmeee said:

where I was told it was the cleanest house they’d seen

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“the bloke that runs the thing comes over and said - Oi no professionals. I said I'm not a professional. He said - you're not a profesional? I said - No, he said - well you should be, if I was you I'd take up cleaning full time, and if you clean like that you'd probably be the best in the country! I said - I'm not interested I'm making shit loads out of computers”

Never had anything like that in any of the places I've rented. Normally get them trying to pressure you into a new contract every 6 months so they can charge you fees but I've always ignored that as you don't need one legally.

Grendel said:

It’s a bit strange to issue a formal notice - the cynic in me thinks that they are trying to hedge their bets here by issuing it as a means of seeing if they can find other tenants who can pay more. I do have friends who I worked with who rent and I’m seeing them tomorrow. I’ll ask but I don’t think this is normal - why issue the formal notice if there is zero intent to act?

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Yeah it’s not normal in any way at all and there will be more to it, unfortunately.

Think it might be worth contacting citizens advice. The law changed on this on 1st June I think and this is one of the things they can’t do. Not 100% on this but I also believe if they break the new rules you can take them to court for compensation. Might be worth a call to CAB.

This any help?
https://assets.publishing.service.g...achment_data/file/805537/Notes_to_Form_6A.pdf

SAJ said:

Think it might be worth contacting citizens advice. The law changed on this on 1st June I think and this is one of the things they can’t do. Not 100% on this but I also believe if they break the new rules you can take them to court for compensation. Might be worth a call to CAB.

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This isn’t a breach of regulations

shmmeee said:

I doubt they’re breaching anything, just playing the system a bit.

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I think that’s probably it but there is certainly no requirement to issue tenants with this it’s a bit strange especially as it’s a one year tenancy

What’s the agency?

I suspect it’s being used to protect the landlord and give them the rights to evict or to issue a new 6 month AST, not sure if the agency will then charge you a fee for having a new AST, could be a clever way for them to pick up money they lot on extorting tenants on financial checks and vetting previously.
Ask the question then if not kicking out, will you be issued with a new AST?

And worst case, I’ve a spare room, will have to check with the wife though :emoji_older_woman:

shmmeee said:

I doubt they’re breaching anything, just playing the system a bit.

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Something doesn't seem right here. I've never had this happen, never heard of it happening and can find nothing online from either a landlord or tenants perspective suggesting it is a precautionary measure.

I'd be looking for somewhere else to live. Can do without the stress of worrying if you're going to get kicked out for no reason.

Sounds like this is in preparation for Section 21 being actioned, or the agent is just chancing it and taking a fee from the landlord for doing so. I’d recommend speaking to the landlord as soon as you can to understand his intentions. Just explain that it wouldn’t be ideal for you but you’d rather know what to expect. It may well be that he doesn’t even know about this form not being a requirement to renew, in which case the agent is probably having £100 a time per property he has with them.

shmmeee said:

Thing is the house is a good deal

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That rings more alarm bells for me. Could be they're planning to move you to not such a good deal when the AST expires and have this ready in case you don't agree to it. They then have everything linked up to boot you out and get someone in who will pay it.

shmmeee said:

Thing is the house is a good deal and more importantly near a good school and my daughter goes to secondary in a couple of years so I’m loathe to give it up.

Does seem dodgy though, none of the landlords I know have heard of it and as chiefdave says I don’t like living without the security.


I’d rather not say. They’re a small one though not one of the chains.

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If it's Bluewood I had a lot of problems with them. (I am a landlord). Some of the charges and costs and admin fees they were charging my tenants was staggering. I had no idea. I was paying fees so I assumed my tenants wouldnt have to.

They were getting double whammy.

If you live next door to your landlord why not deal with him directly?

Definitely try to have a conversation with the landlord, always better and say how much you like the house, neighborhood, and wouldn't want to leave and wasn't sure about being issued the s21 (6) and were they looking to move you on, were they aware as keen to stay etc

I think mmj is spot on - change in the law coming so documents in Play could be still valid - Martin money tips also a good website fir advice in just about anything - also your house insurance ( property not building) sometimes has a free legal helpline

Two foot the landlord next door as he walks out of his house? Then if he wants some more, two foot the agent.

shmmeee said:

Cheers mate. Been waiting for you to chip in. Getting my studs on now.

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Have no knowledge about rental laws but if you want stuff sorting.

Get your daughter to overkick a pass to you and make it look like you were going for the ball as well.

On a serious note, you could go secret spy and ring a couple of agencies pretending to be a landlord who needs an agency to work with and ask if they do the same thing

Mild-Mannered Janitor said:

I suspect it’s being used to protect the landlord and give them the rights to evict or to issue a new 6 month AST, not sure if the agency will then charge you a fee for having a new AST, could be a clever way for them to pick up money they lot on extorting tenants on financial checks and vetting previously.
Ask the question then if not kicking out, will you be issued with a new AST?

And worst case, I’ve a spare room, will have to check with the wife though :emoji_older_woman:

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This is definitely what’s happening here

shmmeee said:

Yeah I think I’ll pop over in the next couple of days and have a word.

Got another email from the last persons boss basically saying I’m being silly because I’m not in the property industry (lol I do work in the property industry) and it’s nothing to worry about “just one of those stupid things government requires”
Can’t be jarred picking a fight with them who are either stupid or malicious. Will go straight to the landlord.

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Thats a fucking lie, my wife has to deal with my step daughter's father who is sadly in a care home early now who has a property that is rented out to help pay for his care and the agent on that is not issuing such terms

This is BS to extort fees from the Landlord or you on admin tasks not necessary unless the landlord is really worried about his portfolio and at any stage wants to realise the cash by selling or if they don't have good tenants but that creates void periods which gives them less revenue.

Get the scones and a pot of tea and have your daughter round who waxes lyrical about how lovely the house is and how safe the area is and looking forward to secondary school with the landlord in the house sipping that tea

Mild-Mannered Janitor said:

Get the scones and a pot of tea and have your daughter round who waxes lyrical about how lovely the house is and how safe the area is and looking forward to secondary school with the landlord in the house sipping that tea

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Then can he 2 foot him?

Nick said:

Then can he 2 foot him?

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or her :emoji_older_woman:

A section 21 is a standard notice if a landlord wishes to take possession of the property back from the tenant. It is activated only because the landlord wants it done. It is not something that needs to be activated as a matter of course by a letting agent every 6 months or so. You usually have two months to leave corresponding to the date your tenancy commenced , so if you took out a tenancy on 15 march , the section 21 will be issued dated 15 of , for example December and you will have to leave on 15 February.
If a tenant refuses to leave after this time the landlord can take court action , but needs to show the validity of the section 21 notice.
Most tenants sign a 6 month tenancy initially, which then becomes a rolling tenancy thereafter. It's unusual for this kind of notice to be served unless the landlord has requested it, because it creates unnecessary stress. They should never need to send these out every 6 months. Speak to the landlord directly. If he says he has no desire to evict you ask him to get the agent to remove the section 21 and write to you confirming that your tenancy is secure. You should not have to sign a new tenancy after 6 months if you have signed a shorthold tenancy at the outset. I am a landlord and I know the rules. P.M. me if you need any more help on this, shmmee.

shmmeee said:

Cheers for all the advice guys. Seems pretty cut and dried so gonna talk to the landlord and if they say they haven’t asked for it I’ll be informing the agent they’ve got something wrong and to change their practices. The patronising tone from the second email has really got my back up so just trying to draft something that has a little less snark in it now

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I May be a little rusty on this serving of notice but I had to do it 3 years ago on a tenant. The agent handed it to her in the office when she popped in. . Not valid. It had to be left at the property addressed to those on the tenancy and wouldn't have stood up in court. I'm not sure emails would stand up as being served correctly but the rules may have changed.
This is all nonsense. Sounds like the agent is making money off the landlord to recoup the losses they make now they can't change tenants for set up fees.