What is going on with the Tory leadership contest? (1 Viewer)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I'm sure I'll be shot down for this, but why doesn't everyone pay the same amount of tax anyway? If people have studied or work really hard to earn more money then why should they be taxed at higher levels?

Flat rate vs progressive rate is an issue that was has always been up for debate for various reasons depending on how you look at it.

For example, an argument for flat tax was it makes tax easier, but others state that the rich can afford good accountants and end up paying a lower effective rate of tax (even with higher band tax rates there are still plenty of individuals and companies who arrange their tax affairs so they pay less actual tax, let alone effective rates of tax) than someone on minimum wage. Then the rich come back with "but by increasing the rate of tax people are more likely to try and avoid it" but evidence has shown in country's with flat tax that the rich (well, everyone really) will still avoid tax whenever possible.

Another argument is that those with large cash/capital reserves will benefit the most from society and things like infrastructure/education and thus should contribute more towards it, and they also have the best means to pay for it. This is especially true of those with inherited wealth, but personally I think that needs to be done via inheritance tax overhaul which I'm not going to go into here.

One of the biggest arguments historically for the higher rate of tax was that higher education etc was free, so therefore those who had benefited from it should contribute more. Now we're going more US style and have tuition fees that doesn't stand up very well.
 

NorthernWisdom

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Raab (the bloke who has failed to negotiate a deal suitable, and now claims he can do better than those who negotiated the current deal - i.e. himself) showing his antidemocratic colours here.

Gove shows his thespian background in how he plays to the camera.

The middle two currently not being horrendous, nor inspiring.

Rory Stewart's an interesting outlier...
 
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Grendel

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In the end these are all horses running a race when the winner has already crossed the finishing line
 

NorthernWisdom

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In the end these are all horses running a race when the winner has already crossed the finishing line
Jeremy Hunt actually made the not unreasonable point that if de Pfeffel can't debate with some reasonably friendly faces, how much can we hope for his negotiating powers with 27 other nations?

But yes, it seems whatever he does (or doesn't do!), he'll be the winner!
 

Ian1779

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Murdoch’s final two will be Johnson and Gove... it was never going to go any other way.
 

Grendel

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Ooo. Another Grendull prediction. What could possibly go wrong.

He’s obviously going to win. He will easily get 200 MPs vote for him and like with Corbyn the membership of political parties isn’t a reflection of the wider community
 

skybluetony176

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Gove and Rabb have talked their way out of contention for me. Maybe they should have taken a leaf out of Boris’ book and not turned up.
 

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NorthernWisdom

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Well hunt came across as relatively human until his summing up speach.

Based on that, of those five you'd go for Hunt or Javid though, surely? Gove's too much for set pieces, Raab's some kind of automaton loon, and Stewart ruined his chances by effectively saying don't vote for me, I know nothing and have no knowledge of all you underclasses!
 

Grendel

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Well hunt came across as relatively human until his summing up speach.

Based on that, of those five you'd go for Hunt or Javid though, surely? Gove's too much for set pieces, Raab's some kind of automaton loon, and Stewart ruined his chances by effectively saying don't vote for me, I know nothing and have no knowledge of all you underclasses!

All pointless as Al says they are all going down the Swanee and may as well coronate now and stop this charade
 

skybluetony176

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Well. When Rory Stewart said he hopes one of the candidates IN the studio is the next PM ie not Boris, it got one of the biggest applause of the night. As I’ve said already I’m not sure where this notion comes from that Boris is the saviour of the Tories and will win them the next election. Didn’t get that impression from the audience tonight. If anything Rory Stewart’s remark and the response it got showed that Boris is last in the popular vote. I wonder if MP’s are taking note ahead the second round?
 

clint van damme

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Johnson will finis
Well. When Rory Stewart said he hopes one of the candidates IN the studio is the next PM ie not Boris, it got one of the biggest applause of the night. As I’ve said already I’m not sure where this notion comes from that Boris is the saviour of the Tories and will win them the next election. Didn’t get that impression from the audience tonight. If anything Rory Stewart’s remark and the response it got showed that Boris is last in the popular vote. I wonder if MP’s are taking note ahead the second round?

Read today that several of the supporters of the fella that just withdrew were expected to get behind Boris are now going to support other candidates.
I still expect him to get it and to make a calamitous fuck up of running the country.
 

skybluetony176

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Johnson will finis


Read today that several of the supporters of the fella that just withdrew were expected to get behind Boris are now going to support other candidates.
I still expect him to get it and to make a calamitous fuck up of running the country.

More than likely. It will be like letting the honey monster run a China shop.
 

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