Where does the blame truly lie? (1 Viewer)

Paxman II

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Playing at the Ricoh looks increasingly less likely again.
I think someone dropped the ball here somewhere...a lawyer for SISU I suspect.
Lets think about it for a moment.
SISU drop the legals so they can have talks and get a deal at the Ricoh. Time not on their side.
At last we shout...thank goodness for that!

All seems to go well until a leak comes out about the EC complaint back in February.
Now if said lawyer for SISU put the complaint in and never did enough due diligence to suggest it can not unilaterally be withdrawn at any time then the mistake is made.
Chances are SISU understood they could simply withdraw it and would if WASP were going to enetertain a new deal. As such they entered the talks in 'good faith'.
Why would they enter a new talks of a deal only to find they could be in breach of its terms if they had no control in withdrawing the EC complaint?
They faced potentially being kicked out of the Ricoh immediately by WASP for breach of contract resulting in no ground mid-season! No ground share deal mid-season! Not something that could be rectified between fixtures to fulfill.

Now WASP and SISU need to compromise on how to deal with it.
I doubt SISU will sign off on compensating WASP should the EC and any legal body there decide WASP did receive state aid beyond legally reasonable.
A rumoured possible 20m would bankrupt WASP of course and SISU would not have that kind of money to simply hand over or even consider for nothing in return.

So there's the impasse. How do you get out of that? Can either side agree to not accept any ruling from the EC action? I doubt it.
The risk to WASP is a huge one.

The reality is SISU have every right to pursue every option to them regardless of what we football fans think for the life blood of our football club.
Now the EC ruling is to investigate, there is that possibility for an ultimate ruling in favour of SISU (or not)
That would throw WASP out of the Ricoh potentially and open up the whole sorry sale go round again with SISU hovering like a wounded animal.

The council in their infinite wisdom to bite back at a despicable hedge fund company, invited and sold the Ricoh on the cheap with a massive extension to it's lease to a out of town Rugby Club looking for a new ground, knowing the football club was an institution to the city and owners of such institutions will always come and go.
All of SISU's cantankerous attitude deserves nothing but contempt for the most part, but when you strip it down the real villain of the peace has always been the council and it's idiotic approach from the very beginning.

Unless WASP can find a solution that entices SISU back to talks I fear SISU will look for that ground share and leave WASP knowing there is one potentially game changing decision still to come down.

Of course if we leave the EU which will happen, the question is when and if any ruling from Europe can have any effect before Brexit or after Brexit on this case.
 

the rumpo kid

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Sisu should have just paid a fair price when they had the opportunity to buy a share (or whole) of the stadium and not try to steal it for nothing. The council fuck there plan up but , probably not meaning too , have fucked ccfc and the fans as well, .we know there's no love lost between sisu and the council and wasps are just shitting themselves in case the stadium is taken off them on a point of law and they can't pay back there bond investors. They will do anything to avoid that.
 

Sick Boy

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Wasps. You can’t be part of the community if you evict the biggest part of it. That’s my line from now on and I’m sticking to it. I’m past caring what SISU have done, I still want them gone and nothing will change my mind on that but right now the biggest issue is Wasps.

Indeed they are, as I’ve said before, moving away permanently from their home is far worse than anything SISU have done.
 

Paxman II

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Why do you start a new thread for a topic that must have been discussed through 10k posts already you attention seeking bore?

My post was to express some thoughts on matters as I see them other than the endless post on here with no actual constructive thought behind them, and often unrelated to the subject matter.
But hey as a businessman with endless deals behind me with major corporations, and at an age that ensures you have seen it all before why listen to anything I say?
Attention seeker couldn't be further fromthe truth.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Playing at the Ricoh looks increasingly less likely again.
I think someone dropped the ball here somewhere...a lawyer for SISU I suspect.
Lets think about it for a moment.
SISU drop the legals so they can have talks and get a deal at the Ricoh. Time not on their side.
At last we shout...thank goodness for that!

All seems to go well until a leak comes out about the EC complaint back in February.
Now if said lawyer for SISU put the complaint in and never did enough due diligence to suggest it can not unilaterally be withdrawn at any time then the mistake is made.
Chances are SISU understood they could simply withdraw it and would if WASP were going to enetertain a new deal. As such they entered the talks in 'good faith'.
Why would they enter a new talks of a deal only to find they could be in breach of its terms if they had no control in withdrawing the EC complaint?
They faced potentially being kicked out of the Ricoh immediately by WASP for breach of contract resulting in no ground mid-season! No ground share deal mid-season! Not something that could be rectified between fixtures to fulfill.

Now WASP and SISU need to compromise on how to deal with it.
I doubt SISU will sign off on compensating WASP should the EC and any legal body there decide WASP did receive state aid beyond legally reasonable.
A rumoured possible 20m would bankrupt WASP of course and SISU would not have that kind of money to simply hand over or even consider for nothing in return.

So there's the impasse. How do you get out of that? Can either side agree to not accept any ruling from the EC action? I doubt it.
The risk to WASP is a huge one.

The reality is SISU have every right to pursue every option to them regardless of what we football fans think for the life blood of our football club.
Now the EC ruling is to investigate, there is that possibility for an ultimate ruling in favour of SISU (or not)
That would throw WASP out of the Ricoh potentially and open up the whole sorry sale go round again with SISU hovering like a wounded animal.

The council in their infinite wisdom to bite back at a despicable hedge fund company, invited and sold the Ricoh on the cheap with a massive extension to it's lease to a out of town Rugby Club looking for a new ground, knowing the football club was an institution to the city and owners of such institutions will always come and go.
All of SISU's cantankerous attitude deserves nothing but contempt for the most part, but when you strip it down the real villain of the peace has always been the council and it's idiotic approach from the very beginning.

Unless WASP can find a solution that entices SISU back to talks I fear SISU will look for that ground share and leave WASP knowing there is one potentially game changing decision still to come down.

Of course if we leave the EU which will happen, the question is when and if any ruling from Europe can have any effect before Brexit or after Brexit on this case.

It's a theory but not one I agree with. There was no error in what they did the whole sorry saga has been leading to this. The jr cases were weak and thrown out it exhausted the legal process here.

Personally I think this is to test legal precedent in the EU and is funded by a third party and therefore no longer in control of sisu. It has all been cold calculated and deliberate. Which if true means it doesn't matter what the team needs.

I agree though that the council have much to answer for. Probably more than we actually realise.

I would think that now this is an active case Brexit does not matter.
 

chiefdave

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Which if true means it doesn't matter what the team needs.
Its not mattered what the team needs since the day they took over. The glimmer of hope was Ransons original plan to make money needed the team to be successful. Once that went wrong there was never an interest in anything but getting back as much money as possible.
 

stupot07

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Wasps. You can’t be part of the community if you evict the biggest part of it. That’s my line from now on and I’m sticking to it. I’m past caring what SISU have done, I still want them gone and nothing will change my mind on that but right now the biggest issue is Wasps.
Abso-bloody-lutely !!!

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skyblue1991

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Wasps. You can’t be part of the community if you evict the biggest part of it. That’s my line from now on and I’m sticking to it. I’m past caring what SISU have done, I still want them gone and nothing will change my mind on that but right now the biggest issue is Wasps.
Spot on my friend!

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Super Graham Withey

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Wasps. You can’t be part of the community if you evict the biggest part of it. That’s my line from now on and I’m sticking to it. I’m past caring what SISU have done, I still want them gone and nothing will change my mind on that but right now the biggest issue is Wasps.
The problem here is that the ‘community’ that Wasps want to attract live largely outside Coventry in more affluent Warwickshire. They can’t build up their club and build revenues based on support from within Coventry. CCFC draws most of its support from less affluent working class Coventry.
 

skybluetony176

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The problem here is that the ‘community’ that Wasps want to attract live largely outside Coventry in more affluent Warwickshire. They can’t build up their club and build revenues based on support from within Coventry. CCFC draws most of its support from less affluent working class Coventry.

I’m from outside of Coventry. Coventry has a big following all over Warwickshire and even the more affluent parts. CCFC is bigger than Coventry and that’s what Wasps need to work out quickly.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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Don't usually go on the Facebook page, but one fan on there was talking about any boycott if we move again. He stated he had boycotted since we left Highfield Road. Just waiting for someone to say they've boycotted because we let Mortimer go to Villa. Some bloody weird types on there!
 

thekidfromstrettoncamp

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Don't usually go on the Facebook page, but one fan on there was talking about any boycott if we move again. He stated he had boycotted since we left Highfield Road. Just waiting for someone to say they've boycotted because we let Mortimer go to Villa. Some bloody weird types on there!
Didn't boycott when Mortimer went but did send a letter to the Chairman and got a reply .Wonder if mister Fisher replies today?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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No one party is to ‘blame’, all 3 parties are to blame for where we’re at now.

If you care about the club, solely blaming SISU won’t help.
 

ceetee

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Everything that SISU has done, however malicious or just plain wrong, was reversible if they had a change of heart or if the club had a change of ownership. Selling ACL and the lease is the reason we are where we are today. Even with new owners or a reformed SISU we are at the mercy of Wasps owners.
 

Paxman II

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It's a theory but not one I agree with. There was no error in what they did the whole sorry saga has been leading to this. The jr cases were weak and thrown out it exhausted the legal process here.

Personally I think this is to test legal precedent in the EU and is funded by a third party and therefore no longer in control of sisu. It has all been cold calculated and deliberate. Which if true means it doesn't matter what the team needs.

I agree though that the council have much to answer for. Probably more than we actually realise.

I would think that now this is an active case Brexit does not matter.

Yes I had also thought about the other side of the coin, and if it could be a cold hearted deliberate play.
If though it is a test of legal precedent, then to serve who's purpose and what is the end game?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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Wasps have a physical presence in Coventry , SISU do not. We need to target Wasps. Much of their "support " must come from the locality.
We need to be totally ruthless and see it as our duty to do whatever we can to hurt Wasps financially. They need to be hit through the turnstiles. We need to bang the drum on social media etc . Going to watch wasps, buy their merchandise etc , means it's okay to destroy the biggest sports club in the city with over 100 years of history.
 

Liquid Gold

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I knew we’d get to a point where the fans realised how screwed we are under London Wasps but I didn’t think it would happen yet.
 

John_Silletts_Nose

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Personally I think this is to test legal precedent in the EU and is funded by a third party and therefore no longer in control of sisu. It has all been cold calculated and deliberate. Which if true means it doesn't matter what the team needs.

This is an interesting opinion as we still do not know who are the owners, just know that SISU manage the fund, as you state a significant owner could be making the decisions.

Will Les Reid or Simon Gilbert ever do some research to uncover the owners?
 

stevefloyd

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The way i see it and i am anti all 3 the hedge funders the wanking council shitheads and the wierd insect egg chasers.
By definition hedge fund companys are usually ruthless bullies and tried to get into football and maybe do a good deal for CCFC but fucked it by their low hand tactics
The council are just high and mighty cunts
Wasps are lowlife moving their fans club over 100 miles to a different city and get everything they deserve.... if we have to support any one of the fucking twats that have led us to this mess I guess it has to be those Shitsu fuckers at least they are alledgedly on our side
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
The way i see it and i am anti all 3 the hedge funders the wanking council shitheads and the wierd insect egg chasers.
By definition hedge fund companys are usually ruthless bullies and tried to get into football and maybe do a good deal for CCFC but fucked it by their low hand tactics
The council are just high and mighty cunts
Wasps are lowlife moving their fans club over 100 miles to a different city and get everything they deserve.... if we have to support any one of the fucking twats that have led us to this mess I guess it has to be those Shitsu fuckers at least they are alledgedly on our side
A swearily fair summary.
 

torchomatic

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I’m from outside of Coventry. Coventry has a big following all over Warwickshire and even the more affluent parts. CCFC is bigger than Coventry and that’s what Wasps need to work out quickly.

This is spot on Tony. I have been going to see Coventry City since October 1972 and have never lived in Coventry and doubt I ever will. CCFC has always been bigger than just the City, it spreads through Warwickshire and beyond.
 

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