See how Corbyn gets on with his meeting with the opposition. They may put pressure on him to do something together. I think the size of the people’s vote march may show the level of support for a new referendum. It will be hard to deny the support if it is even bigger than the last one.
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See how Corbyn gets on with his meeting with the opposition. They may put pressure on him to do something together. I think the size of the people’s vote march may show the level of support for a new referendum. It will be hard to deny the support if it is even bigger than the last one.
It isn’t a good result because we will have no say if we are not in it. If we want to stay close we will have to accept regulations without representation.
NorthernWisdom
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With top bantz like remoaners, it's no surprise.
SkyBlueDom26
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God help us if he was to ever become PM
It's seemingly the binary nature of everything nowadays. Pick a side, be it sport, politics, religion and then defend it with all your gusto. No knowledge required other than the other sides are subhuman scum. Just the other day I heard a cubist describe the pre-raphaelite brotherhood as treasonous wankers. So I lamped the fucker.
SkyBlueDom26
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Wouldn't call it bantz, more along the lines of annoying moaners that can't get their own way
NorthernWisdom
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Well at the moment that's the extremist righties, upset that vacuous statements such as Brexit means Brexit are utterly pointless, and worried that their bizarre crusade to thumb a nose at those slightly iffy foreigners across the chanel may not actually happen.
They seem surprised that, after demanding parliament reclaims its power, that parliament doesn't agree with their mentalist vision of the future. They seem surprised that democracy involves finding a ground that more than a minority believe in, a ground that more than a minority will benefit from. They seem amazed that, when throwing away stupid lines like remoaners, they meet an equal and opposite response.
They are the simple, the stupid, the mad. God help us if this flaccid minority ever takes over.
I don’t think he will. His failure to commit to a people’s vote in a definitive way is prolonging the agony. The opportunity is there to unite most of the Labour Party and the opposition, including maybe Tory defectors behind a people’s vote. UKIP has become a right wing islamophobe party, and Farage has become an embarrassment for leave with his poorly planned and executed „march“. It is a metaphore of his „Brexit“. Far from showing why we should Brexit, it shows the lunacy of following populists. The ERG is another embarrassment for many responsible Tories. Someone else in labour will probably take the reins IMO.
SkyBlueDom26
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Jezza wants to leave the EU
tisza
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Many of these "responsible" Tories are inevitably going not to make it through the next general election as their local associations don't reselect them.
UKIP has gone. Disappeared at last election as it was a single issue group and subsequent move to a far right party has seen its support collapse. Even if Brexit were threatened unlikely UKIP could reinvent itself to become the vehicle for people to rally around.
As a country we don't support the far right. Likes of BNP and NF garner next to no support. In proportionate terms UK far right always been behind European counterparts. Likes of FN, AFD, Jobbik etc would never take any level of support in UK.
NorthernWisdom
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FWIW, I find this a very insidious movement in both parties. If an MP was popular enough to be elected, they ought to be allowed the opportunity to defend their seat, at least, unless they've gone full-on mental and/or illegal.
Not having identical views across each party is what keeps the debate healthy, and ensures parliament isn't utterly meaningless other than for automatically passing the government of the day's laws.
Grendel
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Why do you keep saying peoples vote? Perhaps you’d like to explain why the Lib Dem’s did yet failed so badly in the last election - most labour MPs are against this
tisza
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same principle - if it's about free votes why are Labour threatening to enforce the whip on a 2nd referendum.
shmmeee
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Sounds like the Brexit crowd to me.
shmmeee
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tisza
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problem with this is, Brexit aside, too few politicians will break the whip on other big issues. perhaps the key is to abolish the respective whip offices.
Whatever the wrongs of the former coalition govt (lib dem one) one of the few benefits was to keep many controversial Tory policies from getting through.
As far as MP reselection if they said they would support/oppose Brexit fair enough but if they told constituents pre-selection & election they would follow respective manifestoes then they should have to answer to constituents.
Also as far as insidious goes it's time to remove/reform the undemocratic House of Lords.
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Sick Boy
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Then surely we’d end up in a weaker position to where we are now? We’d lose our influence yet still be closely tied to the EU. Unless you can elaborate on these close ties?
Sick Boy
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Errr...no we won’t leave on the 29th.
There was also no talk of no deal in the run up to the referendum
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westcountry_skyblue
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So what do you think will happen,There is 3 countries that will vote against an extension.
Poland,Hungary and Italy it only needs one of those!!
Sick Boy
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There is minimal chance of Poland or Hungary going for it and you’re off your heard if you genuinely believe Italy is about to veto it.
There’s zero talk over here in Italy of anything like that happening, not even Salvini would do something so stupid.
I think there will be a long extension followed by a GE or a cross party plan. I still think the EEA could happen.
NorthernWisdom
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This is a flawed argument. Most MPs across countless parliaments have been all for staying in the EU. Even if we discount the last election as honouring the referendum result, then how about the one before the referendum? The one before that? Are we saying people voted in pro-EU MPs because they were pro EU? If so, why is a referendum democracy, but those numerous votes aren't?
General Elections, of course, are on more than one policy. The Lib Dems have still not (will they ever?) regained trust for falling in with the Tories and betraying many of their voters.
But you knew that.
NorthernWisdom
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Agree entirely. Frankly it makes a mockery of 'taking back control', and also democracy, when our upper chamber and head of state are totally unelected.
NorthernWisdom
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#bantzzz
tisza
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Hungary won't (i'm here atm)
NorthernWisdom
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Of course, even if a country vetoed an extension, we can still cancel Article 50...
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westcountry_skyblue
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Didn't the two main parties say in their manifesto's they'd respect the vote?Fcuking snakes!!!
tisza
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what they said they would respect the vote but didn't say how they'd do it.
Even now Corbyn trying to rally support for a Norway agreement. So still wants to go just not in the same way other factions do.
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westcountry_skyblue
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I think we will leave with no deal which I want they've had enough time 3 years to get a decent deal.
Be interesting to see if a week on Friday at 22.30 and nothing is sorted,The BBC will be having kittens!!!:happy:
Be interesting to see if a week on Friday at 22.30 and nothing is sorted,The BBC will be having kittens!!!:happy:
NorthernWisdom
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Quite frankly, the idiocy was rushing off straight after the vote. What they should have done (IMNSHO!) is said they respected the vote as the view of the people, and used it to speak to the EU about concerns. Some could have been sorted automatically (immigration etc. We just don't do as much as we can to stop it anyway. We don't use the powers we have inside the EU!), and the negotiating hand of a lost referendum may have helped get some concessions from the EU. If it didn't... then opinion would have hardened against it as an entity, anyway. We could also have discussed what would happen on the event of us leaving.
Then we could have had a binding referendum on the back of those talks, when we had informed views on what the options actually *were*.
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westcountry_skyblue
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Probably because they want our money!!!
shmmeee
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Can’t see No Deal anywhere on that mate. Did you upload the wrong pic?
shmmeee
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Why do you want no deal?
Wasn’t the whole point of Brexit to allow us to be a global trading nation? But we don’t want a trade deal with our closest and largest market?
I’m gonna say it: you’ve no idea what you’re asking for and just saying whatever your hedge fund masters tell you to want. There was no talk whatsoever of no deal before the result, only since chancers like JRM and Farage who stand to make buckets off the turmoil piped up has anyone been on about it.
Do you also stand to make a mint from the collapse of the UK as an economic power?
shmmeee
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Yes! And we want their trade! It’s a symbiotic relationship. What do you think every single country we go into trade negotiations wants? Our love and respect!?!?
