The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (18 Viewers)

Astute said:

Slip and slide. Did May learn her trade from you?

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You can talk hahaha. Be careful you don’t flounce off again in a huff

skybluetony176 said:

You may be counting your chickens there. Another big day in Parliament tomorrow.

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It sounds like he’s clutching at straws, there’s even less chance of it happening at all now.

Brexit isn't going to happen is it......?

No Brexit is not going to happen at all. Brexit was offered and snatched away by the political classes. Theresa May has done nothing but play the game as the Remainer that she is. It's all fucking bullshit and the bullies from Brussels will be laughing their tits off.......still the UK goes down the pan as the population expands, crime rises, wages are suppressed, services like schools and hospitals are at breaking point and all the real wealth continues to funnel to London along with all the government money.,...still the stupid fecks who don't live with the gradual decline will see it as a victory over the likes of Farage. Traitors to the ordinary people, all of them !!

skybluetony176 said:

You may be counting your chickens there. Another big day in Parliament tomorrow.

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I'm expecting a fox in the coop.

Also have you seen this one, Aaron Banks has supposedly already met with the Italians.

Captain Dart said:

I'm expecting a fox in the coop.

Also have you seen this one, Aaron Banks has supposedly already met with the Italians.

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Did the Russians join him?

She’s going to try and buy more time to get more votes on her deal if you ask me.

She’s living in cloud cuckoo land.

I wonder how many times Parliament will have to vote on it until she gets the right result?

Just watching Peston and it sounds like Parliament might be voting on it AGAIN as early as next week. Madness.

Marty the Tories are responsible for austerity not the Eu immigration or any other villain you want to show us. More so rhees mogg Johnson and farage are the elite they don’t give a shit about You and I. It’s the like the toffs in the trenches in the First World War sacrificing the plebs for their games

skybluetony176 said:

I wonder how many times Parliament will have to vote on it until she gets the right result?

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Its madness that we are told it would be the end of democracy to have a 'peoples vote' but May can keep talking the same deal back to parliament again and again until she gets it her way.

See the austerity stick has now come out. Vote my way or we'll start cutting everything again.

May is an absolute bell end. It's a shit deal, it's been voted down twice by the largest and 4th largest majority loss any government has ever had and she wants to bring it back a third time.

She has to go.

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Can Jezza please give up this nonsense of another general election when a) the party is lagging in the polls and b) nobody except him seems to want one? Push for another referendum as a way to end the deadlock and whatever the public go for make it legally binding. If enough people still love Brexit, it will still happen. If enough realise that Brexit is a turd which cannot be polished, we can admit this was one embarrassing mistake and pretend that May was never PM

chiefdave said:

Its madness that we are told it would be the end of democracy to have a 'peoples vote' but May can keep talking the same deal back to parliament again and again until she gets it her way.

See the austerity stick has now come out. Vote my way or we'll start cutting everything again.

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Same for the pricks in the 'Independent Group'

Ashdown said:

No Brexit is not going to happen at all. Brexit was offered and snatched away by the political classes. Theresa May has done nothing but play the game as the Remainer that she is. It's all fucking bullshit and the bullies from Brussels will be laughing their tits off.......still the UK goes down the pan as the population expands, crime rises, wages are suppressed, services like schools and hospitals are at breaking point and all the real wealth continues to funnel to London along with all the government money.,...still the stupid fecks who don't live with the gradual decline will see it as a victory over the likes of Farage. Traitors to the ordinary people, all of them !!

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Explain the benefits of crashing the country to the poor? Less investment, fewer jobs, reduced workplace regulations... More cheap imports, higher tariffs on exports.

Farage is a snake oil salesman and has made his name and money out of Brexit. I wouldn’t worry about his fortunes. Worse way he emigrates to the States ( for us best the best case scenario).

Astute said:

So what is left?

Mays deal or no deal? Not now.

The EU doesn't look to want to offer anything. So no other deal is on the table. So all that is on the table is the May deal. To extend article 50 every leader in the EU must agree. It just takes one to say no for no extension to happen. Not leaving without a deal isn't a legal entity. But they won't go against it willingly.

So while May is MP I can't see anything else happening.

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What is left is May having to go to the EU begging for an extension but without a particularly good reason. A general election won't be enough-no guarantee that the Commons will change enough to force anything through. A second referendum will-like it or not, it's the only way to get a clear in or out which Parliament cannot ignore

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Same for the pricks in the 'Independent Group'

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I don’t think they are pricks, but I do think that labour should take this right wing coup by the balls and end it. The ERG are not here for the weakest in the UK society. The EU offers a more worker oriented future than people tied up with Trump or maybe Moscow. The liberals can’t do much alone with the FPTP system. The only viable opposition is Labour. I hope they grab Brexit by the balls and squeeze them hard.

martcov said:

I don’t think they are pricks, but I do think that labour should take this right wing coup by the balls and end it. The ERG are not here for the weakest in the UK society. The EU offers a more worker oriented future than people tied up with Trump or maybe Moscow. The liberals can’t do much alone with the FPTP system. The only viable opposition is Labour. I hope they grab Brexit by the balls and squeeze them hard.

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I do, they can't handle the idea of a left wing party being left wing rather than continuing the tactics of the 'Great Abstainers'. Tom Watson addressed 150 or so MPs as 'social democrats' trying to stick up for that line of thinking in the party. Corbyn's policies already are social democratic, there is nothing 'hard left' about them but Watson and the rest won't take it. Ask a Tory to give one 'hard left' Corbyn policy and they can't do it because the policies are in fact quite popular. Scotland went from being a guaranteed 40-50 seats to an SNP free for all because of Tory-lite politics

martcov said:

The EU will only extend article 50 if there is a purpose. People‘s vote would get an extension.

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So you agree with me then?

martcov said:

The USA already listed what they want from trade deals.

The USA has massive agricultural production for example. I can see the benefits of a trade deal for them. An extra 65 million consumers. What do we intend exporting that we do not export to the USA already?

Of course at the end of the day we will have some trade deals. The question is what have we gained? We have international trade deals through the EU and we are at the table when it comes to defining the rules of the SM and CU. We have passporting for our financial services. What do we gain by leaving that we don’t already have?

Why should countries give us beneficial deals for us when they know we are out on our own?

At the moment we are not getting the promised 40 roll over deals because the countries know they can get better deals by waiting until we are out. This is not fantasy, it is fact. You can check how much of our existing exports are covered by roll over deals.

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Ah. So if a country says what it wants it will get it?

martcov said:

They have already said that they would back an extension for a people‘s vote. If a people’s vote failed ( for remain), with people being aware that Brexit is not what was promised, I don’t see what you could argue for asking again. The argument that Brexit was built on lies and a fraudulent referendum ( still being investigated) seems to be fair enough. With what we now know, to as ask for the voters‘ opinion seems reasonable to me. If they still say we want to leave, what can you say against that?

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Here we go again.

Brexit fraudulent on one side only. And guess what side that was.

Sick Boy said:

You can talk hahaha. Be careful you don’t flounce off again in a huff

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Yes SB.

Keep to the truth and I won't have a problem with you. Isn't it strange how we want the same thing yet we see what is happening so differently.

Sick Boy said:

It sounds like he’s clutching at straws, there’s even less chance of it happening at all now.

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Less chance of what happening?

Ashdown said:

No Brexit is not going to happen at all. Brexit was offered and snatched away by the political classes. Theresa May has done nothing but play the game as the Remainer that she is. It's all fucking bullshit and the bullies from Brussels will be laughing their tits off.......still the UK goes down the pan as the population expands, crime rises, wages are suppressed, services like schools and hospitals are at breaking point and all the real wealth continues to funnel to London along with all the government money.,...still the stupid fecks who don't live with the gradual decline will see it as a victory over the likes of Farage. Traitors to the ordinary people, all of them !!

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This is why the May deal might still go through. If they are given a free vote the result might not be close yet again. But if it is made official that the Tories had to follow the May deal there wouldn't be many more that would have to vote her deal. There are quite a few from other parties that would vote for the May deal. She is saying that follow her deal or there is a good chance we won't leave. So what would a Brexit supporting MP do?

May and the EU have forced the result into a corner with no time left.

Then once the May deal has gone through it would be down to negotiations. I could then see FOM, trade and the money we pay into the EU hardly changing.

So we will have left the EU in name but thi get continue as they are.

Not real? We won't be leaving without a deal by the end of this month. That is clear. So what other choice is there?

The EU certainly won't offer anything else now. They have what they want. It is their way or nothing else can happen this month. And something has to happen this month. We can have an extension to article 50. But only for a reason that will change things.

Captain Dart said:

I'm expecting a fox in the coop.

Also have you seen this one, Aaron Banks has supposedly already met with the Italians.

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Yes he said it. Not sure if it was in jest. But what else does anyone expect from Farage?

stupot07 said:

May is an absolute bell end. It's a shit deal, it's been voted down twice by the largest and 4th largest majority loss any government has ever had and she wants to bring it back a third time.

She has to go.

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May is a remainer. You can say what you want about her but the fact still stands.

Vote through the May deal and we end up tied to the EU when the negotiations start. The only thing to be decided on is how much we are still tied to the EU.

Those who want to remain don't want to vote her deal in. Those who want to leave don't want to vote her deal in because we wouldn't be leaving properly.

Some people need to take their blinkers off and look at the reality of the situation. And before anyone starts their allegations it is those blinkered on both sides. The pathetic MP's on both sides have cornered us. The choices we can make have been removed.

Is May as bad as many say or has she played a blinder backed by the EU?

Captain Dart said:

I'm expecting a fox in the coop.

Also have you seen this one, Aaron Banks has supposedly already met with the Italians.

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Are you high?

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Can Jezza please give up this nonsense of another general election when a) the party is lagging in the polls and b) nobody except him seems to want one? Push for another referendum as a way to end the deadlock and whatever the public go for make it legally binding. If enough people still love Brexit, it will still happen. If enough realise that Brexit is a turd which cannot be polished, we can admit this was one embarrassing mistake and pretend that May was never PM

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Corbyn wants out of the EU. Corbyn wants to be PM. Why else would he want to do anything differently?

Astute said:

Is May as bad as many say or has she played a blinder backed by the EU?

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No way that would be too machiavellian for her. Her and her cabinet are simply incompetent, look at her Brexit Secretaries and their comments over the years.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

What is left is May having to go to the EU begging for an extension but without a particularly good reason. A general election won't be enough-no guarantee that the Commons will change enough to force anything through. A second referendum will-like it or not, it's the only way to get a clear in or out which Parliament cannot ignore

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Which is what I am saying.

MP's have a choice. Agree with the May deal or come up with something totally different. This something totally different isn't Brexit. It is the only thing that would allow an extension to article 50.

So to me it is a May deal or a change of direction. And May has made sure we have run out of time. We have enough time for one more vote on her deal. And we can't leave without a deal.

tisza said:

Absolutely no evidence for these types of remain statements. As incendiary as some of the pro Brexit rhetoric.
No one can make such sweeping statements. No matter what type of Brexit there may be there is no solid evidence of what type of trade deals would happen with Britain and the EU, USA or other trade blocks.
All sides exploiting and misleading people.
There will be trade deals and other deals in areas of mutual interest.
There will be no crashing out. No deal was never an option just a theoretical bargaining tool.
There probably will be an organised Brexit. It will cause pain on all sides but as always with trade it will smooth itself out.

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there is plenty of evidence regarding what type of trade deals would happen between the UK and the US and EU.

The US have a clearly defined methodology with step by step processes for negotiating trade deals which they have used for years, we have been part of the EU trade deal negotiations for decades, there are plenty of indicators as to what will happen so to say there's no evidence isn't true.
That doesn't mean we can predict exactly what will happen, I agree with that but neither is it quite the leap in the dark you're making out.

Sick Boy said:

No way that would be too machiavellian for her. Her and her cabinet are simply incompetent, look at her Brexit Secretaries and their comments over the years.

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Did she put them in place because of how much they were clueless or did she give orders on what they could say or do?

I don't trust MP's. And I trust Tory MP's even less.

Sick Boy said:

No way that would be too machiavellian for her. Her and her cabinet are simply incompetent, look at her Brexit Secretaries and their comments over the years.

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the fact she's held on to her job this long suggests she may be more Machiavellian than we all gave her credit for.
Either that or no one else wanted the job.

Astute said:

Did she put them in place because of how much they were clueless or did she give orders on what they could say or do?

I don't trust MP's. And I trust Tory MP's even less.

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I don’t think there is the massive conspiracy theory there that you’re trying to suggest.

clint van damme said:

the fact she's held on to her job this long suggests she may be more Machiavellian than we all gave her credit for.
Either that or no one else wanted the job.

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I think it’s more of a poisoned chalice than being manager of a certain football club The fact no one has defiantly come forward and said they want the job says it all, they’re on a hiding to nothing.

The country’s power in the negotiations was overstated, it’s time people realised that and accepted that. All the nonsense about cheese and wine was just that, nonsense.

Astute said:

Corbyn wants out of the EU. Corbyn wants to be PM. Why else would he want to do anything differently?

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The pig headedness will cost him