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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Nick said:
It isn't spin, it is completely making things up ;)
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Quite probably, but you can guarantee that they'll argue it was implied because by the end of that agreement the chairman of the club had said they would have their own new stadium by then, and so they didn't feel it needed to be an expressed term.

Complete horseshit but it's how they'll spin it. Cases have been fought over more trivial terms.
 
Nick

Nick

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Quite probably, but you can guarantee that they'll argue it was implied because by the end of that agreement the chairman of the club had said they would have their own new stadium by then, and so they didn't feel it needed to be an expressed term.

Complete horseshit but it's how they'll spin it. Cases have been fought over more trivial terms.
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So the council leader would say they lied to tax payers because "somebody else lied first"?

Dig Deep.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Nick said:
So the council leader would say they lied to tax payers because "somebody else lied first"?

Dig Deep.
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No, they'll say they believed it was implied because they took Fisher at his word given the language he was using, renders etc (not that he intentionally lied as circumstances can change) on the new stadium and they therefore took it that the football club would be secure by the end of the agreement and therefore felt it unnecessary to express it clearly at the time.

That's why it's spin. I can believe it's bollocks, you can believe it's bollocks but the fact is no-one can actually disprove that is what they actually had in mind at the time. Thus you, nor I, nor anyone else can PROVE it's a lie, no matter how seemingly clear it may seem.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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chiefdave said:
State control? What on earth are you on about.

You're now saying a framework should be in place for private enterprise yet you are also saying we should ignore the framework that the council should be working to that is already in place.

Isn't company law the framework for private enterprise?
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No. Of course I'm saying that the framework in place for the council should be upheld. What I'm saying is that things like Company Law should mirror those standards because the effect on society as a whole is just as large (and for very large companies possibly even larger in economic terms).

The two are different at the moment, I don't believe they should be. Just because someone pretty much tells even they're a greedy twat doesn't mean they should be under less scrutiny. Should someone who's openly a racist or homophobe be given a lesser sentence for a hate crime because they have those prejudices and thereofre shouldn't be kept to the same standards as everyone else?
 
Nick

Nick

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
No, they'll say they believed it was implied because they took Fisher at his word given the language he was using, renders etc (not that he intentionally lied as circumstances can change) on the new stadium and they therefore took it that the football club would be secure by the end of the agreement and therefore felt it unnecessary to express it clearly at the time.

That's why it's spin. I can believe it's bollocks, you can believe it's bollocks but the fact is no-one can actually disprove that is what they actually had in mind at the time. Thus you, nor I, nor anyone else can PROVE it's a lie, no matter how seemingly clear it may seem.
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So what's implied for cov rugby? If they ever do something to piss them off is something going to be randomly added on?

What about the washing it's face comments that clearly were straight up lies?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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In a separate matter I teach young Wasps fans who brag about kicking Cov out the ground. Sad state of affairs
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Nick said:
So the council leader would say they lied to tax payers because "somebody else lied first"?

Dig Deep.
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What country are you in where politicians lying is a scandal? Because I’d like to move there.

You’re not even allowed to call an MP a liar in Parliament
 
Nick

Nick

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shmmeee said:
What country are you in where politicians lying is a scandal? Because I’d like to move there.

You’re not even allowed to call an MP a liar in Parliament
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They are noncey twats though with their here here snidey stuff in there.
 
Alan Dugdales Moustache

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Warwickshire
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Haha. I taught primary kids until fairly recently in and around Rugby. We had some flyers from wasps doing the rounds. The batch that was meant for my class mysteriously ended up in the bin.
Going back further, when MK Dons suddenly appeared at the expense of Wimbledon we got some flyers for after school soccer schools with then at a school in Northamptonshire. Needless to say they went in the bin as well.
Sometimes you've just got to do it.
 
SBAndy

SBAndy

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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Haha. I taught primary kids until fairly recently in and around Rugby. We had some flyers from wasps doing the rounds. The batch that was meant for my class mysteriously ended up in the bin.
Going back further, when MK Dons suddenly appeared at the expense of Wimbledon we got some flyers for after school soccer schools with then at a school in Northamptonshire. Needless to say they went in the bin as well.
Sometimes you've just got to do it.
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That’s absolutely despicable behaviour, not allowing the kids to make their own minds up.

I like it. More of the same.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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shmmeee said:
What country are you in where politicians lying is a scandal? Because I’d like to move there.
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There's a big difference between spinning, which is what we are used to with most politicians, and outright lying over an extended period of time.

Find it quite surprising that anyone would happily accept being lied to and even having the lier, when caught out, turn round and basically say there's nothing you can do about it. Personally wouldn't find it acceptable in general but that is magnified when the lies are damaging my football team for decades to come.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Nick said:
What's he saying?
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Couple of other things from Byng on the facebook group.

He has said that in May 2014, he wrote to City Council to ask it confirm that there was any truth in the rumour that Wasps were proposing to buy the lease of the Ricoh and received a written reply from a very senior officer of the Council that the rumour had no substance.

Following on from that he says he asked Ann Lucas the same question in person in September 2014 and she categorically denied the Council intended to sell to Wasps or were in discussions with them.

The sale happened in October 2014.
 
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MalcSB

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RoboCCFC90 said:
13 miles to be precise, the PL would be accountable for Tottenham's situation as opposed to the EFL.
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I know that it is PL for Tottenham, but the question remains - how did EFL come up with miles? Why not 10 or 3? What is the rationale?
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Fletch said:
Not just flying the flag for Coventry, Eastwood and Duggins both (paid) directors (and sole representatives from Coventry) of West Midlands Growth Ltd quango formed from West Midlands Combined Authority.
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Who would pay a moron like Duggins a salary as a director of anything?
 
duffer

duffer

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shmmeee said:
It’s not black and white. What’s in black and white are the words “subject to a commercial agreement”, which makes it essentially worthless as that’s a subjective opinion. You and I may argue continued rent charges are a commercial agreement even with the legals, Wasps May argue that the legals mean it’s not an agreement that’s commercially viable.

The fact is there was no realistic legal route to ensuring that Wasps would rent to Sisu under any circumstances. The mistake the councillors made was giving that impression in interviews when it wasn’t possible.

But then you’ve got to get on at May for not fixing social problems, or Cameron for not being the greenest government ever, or Blair for privatising education, or, or, or. That’s politics. The punishment is being voted out if you do it too much but history suggests that’s not likely.

So yes, get angry at councillors for giving the wrong impression. But don’t expect it to resolve the current situation.

Again, I’m sorry this isn’t what you want to hear but I won't patronise you.
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It's not about giving the wrong impression, it's about flat out lies.

Where in the the very clear statement that said we won't sell to Wasps if it could harm the club's future does it say 'subject to commercial agreement'?

Where in Councillor Townsend's statement about building trust with the club before discussing ownership did it say 'unless of course we sell secretly to a rugby franchise from London first'?

I'll help you answer here, neither of those statements contained any such caveats. No asterisks, no 'see terms and conditions'.

I'm sorry mate, and I don't mean to patronise you either, but they were straightforward lies, and it looks like you're trying to obfuscate this for some reason.

There is no excuse for this kind of deception from either elected officials or their officers and I'm always surprised how much some fellow supporters will contort themselves to justify it.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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What is actually going to be in SISU's statement? Will it just be an indication of plans for next season or will further information be provided?
 
NorthernWisdom

NorthernWisdom

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shmmeee said:
It’s not black and white. What’s in black and white are the words “subject to a commercial agreement”, which makes it essentially worthless as that’s a subjective opinion. You and I may argue continued rent charges are a commercial agreement even with the legals, Wasps May argue that the legals mean it’s not an agreement that’s commercially viable.

The fact is there was no realistic legal route to ensuring that Wasps would rent to Sisu under any circumstances. The mistake the councillors made was giving that impression in interviews when it wasn’t possible.

But then you’ve got to get on at May for not fixing social problems, or Cameron for not being the greenest government ever, or Blair for privatising education, or, or, or. That’s politics. The punishment is being voted out if you do it too much but history suggests that’s not likely.

So yes, get angry at councillors for giving the wrong impression. But don’t expect it to resolve the current situation.

Again, I’m sorry this isn’t what you want to hear but I won't patronise you.
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I would say that's enough to expect talks. That's the first issue to get over!
 
vow

vow

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CCFC statement regarding the Westminster jolly up....

STATEMENT: Coventry City statement following today's meeting in Westminster

"
Coventry City Football Club attended today’s meeting in Westminster, and welcomed the opportunity for the parties involved in the current impasse to come together to discuss the future of the Football Club in the City.

At the start of the meeting today, it was agreed that no party would publicly comment on what was discussed in the meeting.

As stated previously, we maintain that face-to-face talks between key figures in all parties would be the only way to find a solution.

We would like to thank those who took the time to attend the meeting today, including:

  • Jeremy Wright (Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport), Mims Davies (Minister for Sport), their ministerial colleagues and local MPs.
  • Julie Newman, Coventry City Council
  • Nick Eastwood, Wasps
  • Andy Street, West Midlands Mayor
  • Shaun Harvey and John Nagle, EFL
  • Mark McCafferty, Premiership Rugby
  • Joy Seppala, SISU
  • Laura Deering, SISU
Tim Fisher, Chairman, and Dave Boddy, Chief Executive, attended on behalf of the Football Club.

We hope that an agreement can be found that will provide the best solution to all parties, that being Coventry City playing home games at the Ricoh Arena next season."
 
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