The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (10 Viewers)

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Except for when over 100 MPs voted to oust the leader

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And then they regrouped. Ultimately, they row back from severe and damaging confrontation in the form of all-out warfare. As an election fighting machine, the Tory Party is ruthless, well-organised, and pragmatic.

NorthernWisdom said:

And then they regrouped. Ultimately, they row back from severe and damaging confrontation in the form of all-out warfare. As an election fighting machine, the Tory Party is ruthless, well-organised, and pragmatic.

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Because it’s full of super public schoolboys and has the media wrapped round it’s finger. It’s policies are garbage.

Mucca Mad Boys said:

7 MPs is hardly ‘a split’. Is anyone surprised a left wing party is eating itself up?

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Suspect most Labour supporters will be pleased to see Red Tories leave. Sure the 7 will all have the courage of their convictions and now trigger by-elections.

Shows the circus surrounding Berger for what it really is. Was only a few days ago it was claimed that a vote to deselect her for failing to support the party leadership was based on a false premise and was instead bullying and anti-Semitic. Laughable.

NorthernWisdom said:

And shows the difference between Labour and Tories. Whatever the Tory differences, they stay together and fight as a unit - even Brexit hasn't split them (yet!). The centre - left of this country is so busy fighting itself, they destroy all hope of fighting effectively the Tories!

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It always has had some issues of unity, you should research the different left wing factions who were supposed to be fighting Franco for the Republicans.........no wonder they lost, all grasping for power and control whilst the Fascists were united and organised.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Because it’s full of super public schoolboys and has the media wrapped round it’s finger. It’s policies are garbage.

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Here we go the old class war argument from the left,How many labour mp’s went to public school?

westcountry_skyblue said:

Here we go the old class war argument from the left,How many labour mp’s went to public school?

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Are you saying the Conservative Party isn’t built from Eton and Harrow? Will just leave this here:



You’re their wet dream

westcountry_skyblue said:

Here we go the old class war argument from the left,How many labour mp’s went to public school?

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"Metropolitan elite"

westcountry_skyblue said:

Here we go the old class war argument from the left,How many labour mp’s went to public school?

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Nothing like as many as the other parties, why do you ask?

I do fear that momentum and Corbyn are far happier in opposition being correc on everything that’s wrong but not getting anywhere near practically solving any of the problems. Real change and real policy is hard it’s the tough job of compromising principles to move things forward and make too slow progress. I despair for our country with another term of the Eton and Harrow elites

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Because it’s full of super public schoolboys and has the media wrapped round it’s finger. It’s policies are garbage.

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as someone said on Twitter the other day, this country has an Eton disorder.

Sky Blue Pete said:

I do fear that momentum and Corbyn are far happier in opposition being correc on everything that’s wrong but not getting anywhere near practically solving any of the problems. Real change and real policy is hard it’s the tough job of compromising principles to move things forward and make too slow progress. I despair for our country with another term of the Eton and Harrow elites

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Then don't vote for it.

Sky Blue Pete said:

I do fear that momentum and Corbyn are far happier in opposition being correc on everything that’s wrong but not getting anywhere near practically solving any of the problems. Real change and real policy is hard it’s the tough job of compromising principles to move things forward and make too slow progress. I despair for our country with another term of the Eton and Harrow elites

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The 2017 manifesto was full of such things which have popular support and poll well time and time again. It’s like the Democrats ignoring Sanders and blaming those like him for coming second. Too many people copying media cliches and not looking further.

5 hours 29 minutes between them announcing the launch of the party and having to issue an apology for one of their MPs making a racist comment on the BBC. That’s got to be a record.

chiefdave said:

5 hours 29 minutes between them announcing the launch of the party and having to issue an apology for one of their MPs making a racist comment on the BBC. That’s got to be a record.

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I thought Corbyn was the racist?

Sky Blue Pete said:

I do fear that momentum and Corbyn are far happier in opposition being correc on everything that’s wrong but not getting anywhere near practically solving any of the problems. Real change and real policy is hard it’s the tough job of compromising principles to move things forward and make too slow progress. I despair for our country with another term of the Eton and Harrow elites

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I do get your point about Corbyn, there is something of the comfort in opposition about him. However, the electorate rejected New Labour at the 2010 and 2015 elections, do you honestly think people will vote in numbers for any party that has the MO of Mandelson and Blair all over it? Of these 7, what are they about? What do they want?

fernandopartridge said:

Of these 7, what are they about? What do they want?

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That's the issue isn't it. Whether you agree with the policies or not, at least Labour's last manifesto had some policies in it... which is more than most parties have nowadays!

I'd like to think some of the more centrist Tory MPs would break away too, mind you. That'd show true principle, as it'd bring a general election (and probable defeat for most of the breakaway group) ever closer...

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Are you saying the Conservative Party isn’t built from Eton and Harrow? Will just leave this here:



You’re their wet dream

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Corbyn and McDonnell went to fee paying schools?

westcountry_skyblue said:

Corbyn and McDonnell went to fee paying schools?

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Erm no. They both went to grammar schools.

fernandopartridge said:

I do get your point about Corbyn, there is something of the comfort in opposition about him. However, the electorate rejected New Labour at the 2010 and 2015 elections, do you honestly think people will vote in numbers for any party that has the MO of Mandelson and Blair all over it? Of these 7, what are they about? What do they want?

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To stop Brexit.

Captain Dart said:

To stop Brexit.

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I just can't see how they will do it, 7 of them

fernandopartridge said:

Erm no. They both went to grammar schools.

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Corbyn went to castle house school in Newport Shropshire a fee paying propriety school in his early years and Mc donnell st Josephs a fee paying college in his early years

Captain Dart said:

To stop Brexit.

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Umuna is like Boris.
He'd advocate stamping puppies to death if it would get him up the greasy pole.

clint van damme said:

Umuna is like Boris.
He'd advocate stamping puppies to death if it would get him up the greasy pole.

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Thing is, I can't see how this move does that, unless he's confident others will follow, or he wants to throw his lot in with the Lib Dems (and they say no to that). Splinter groups tend to lose their seats, and never be seen of again after a brief spell in the limelight.

westcountry_skyblue said:

Corbyn went to castle house school in Newport Shropshire a fee paying propriety school in his early years and Mc donnell st Josephs a fee paying college in his early years

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A prep school in Shropshire isn’t quite Eton and Harrow. Watch David Cameron in that video-it says all you need to know about how the Tories view the average Joe. But average Joe continues to vote them in.

Speculation is that this is phase 1, with some sleepers holding on to see how Labour MPs react.

Then there is the chaos theorists.


Get the popcorn.

Johnnythespider said:

Then don't vote for it.

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Never have

Brighton Sky Blue said:

A prep school in Shropshire isn’t quite Eton and Harrow. Watch David Cameron in that video-it says all you need to know about how the Tories view the average Joe. But average Joe continues to vote them in.

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Cameron as a leader is the exception regarding education. You have to go back to Douglas-Hume to find another leader educated at such an institution

Brighton Sky Blue said:

A prep school in Shropshire isn’t quite Eton and Harrow. Watch David Cameron in that video-it says all you need to know about how the Tories view the average Joe. But average Joe continues to vote them in.

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I am not a tory voter but just shows what a shambles the opposition is if they cant raise their game get the genuine public to vote for them.

fernandopartridge said:

I do get your point about Corbyn, there is something of the comfort in opposition about him. However, the electorate rejected New Labour at the 2010 and 2015 elections, do you honestly think people will vote in numbers for any party that has the MO of Mandelson and Blair all over it? Of these 7, what are they about? What do they want?

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Very reasonable points.

Grendel said:

Cameron as a leader is the exception regarding education. You have to go back to Douglas-Hume to find another leader educated at such an institution

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The Tories have long been the party of the gentry and public school boys. Their voters are either very well off, very gullible or both. Cameron’s attitudes are representative of the party.

westcountry_skyblue said:

I am not a tory voter but just shows what a shambles the opposition is if they cant raise their game get the genuine public to vote for them.

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Helps when the media treats the Tories with kid gloves on the orders of Mr Murdoch

Brighton Sky Blue said:

The Tories have long been the party of the gentry and public school boys. Their voters are either very well off, very gullible or both. Cameron’s attitudes are representative of the party.

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Most of their PMs have come from exactly the same institutions as Labour in education terms in the last 50 years

Rewrite history all you like but that’s the fact. The only reason there has been an increase with Mr Cameron and The Blair Creature is only due to the absurd grammar educated minister for education to make it a comprehensive cesspit for all but her children and most politicians

NorthernWisdom said:

Thing is, I can't see how this move does that, unless he's confident others will follow, or he wants to throw his lot in with the Lib Dems (and they say no to that). Splinter groups tend to lose their seats, and never be seen of again after a brief spell in the limelight.

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His politics is dead and he knows it. He’s only planting the seeds for a 500K+ pa gig where he is a head of a ‘think tank’ - earning shit loads for literally doing fuck all.