I'll say it (1 Viewer)

For years our fan base has bemoaned the club’s lack of a long term plan. Yet, we have a manager who is our best since relegation from the Premiership, and we have one of the youngest teams in the league. Why don’t we give them time to develop and the manager time to build the squad. We’ve spent money on young talent, and you can tell from our results that we’re close to turning a lot of these frustrating losses and draws into wins.

In my view, it would be a very stupid decision on several dimensions to sack Robins. If we have a disastrous start to next season after another summer of good investment, then there may be a strong case against Robins.

Mucca Mad Boys said:

For years our fan base has bemoaned the club’s lack of a long term plan. Yet, we have a manager who is our best since relegation from the Premiership, and we have one of the youngest teams in the league. Why don’t we give them time to develop and the manager time to build the squad. We’ve spent money on young talent, and you can tell from our results that we’re close to turning a lot of these frustrating losses and draws into wins.

In my view, it would be a very stupid decision on several dimensions to sack Robins. If we have a disastrous start to next season after another summer of good investment, then there may be a strong case against Robins.

Click to expand...

There is no evidence of a long term plan. We have a young team mainly as he’s failed to either sign decent players in a higher age bracket or they just vanish.

What young talent have we spent money on? Our best players are loans and there will be a huge turnover of staff yet again in the summer.

How you define the best manager since relegation i can’t fathom

Actually you could have used the same quotes on Mowbray in season one when it was very obvious he should have been sacked by February when he’d clearly lost all direction. The consequence was allowing him the summer which was a catastrophe in terms of recruitment - he’s miserable form continued and we were relegated

Robins track record screams short term

Guess we will find out next season, when Rose, Drysdale, McCallum, Burroughs etc. may be knocking on the door.

Grendel said:

There is no evidence of a long term plan. We have a young team mainly as he’s failed to either sign decent players in a higher age bracket or they just vanish.

What young talent have we spent money on? Our best players are loans and there will be a huge turnover of staff yet again in the summer.

How you define the best manager since relegation i can’t fathom

Actually you could have used the same quotes on Mowbray in season one when it was very obvious he should have been sacked by February when he’d clearly lost all direction. The consequence was allowing him the summer which was a catastrophe in terms of recruitment - he’s miserable form continued and we were relegated

Robins track record screams short term

Click to expand...

Come off it. His last few permanent signings:

Rose
Drysdale
McCallum
Westbrooke
Chaplin
Bakayoko
Hiwula
Mason

Agreed that our better players are probably loanees, certainly Sterling anyway but I don't think we're quite as reliant on them as we were under Mowbray where we literally had a loanee or nothing.

Grendel said:

There is no evidence of a long term plan.

Click to expand...

Stopped reading there.

You either don't know what you're talking about or are being incredibly blinkered to suit your agenda.

Grendel said:

There is no evidence of a long term plan. We have a young team mainly as he’s failed to either sign decent players in a higher age bracket or they just vanish.

What young talent have we spent money on? Our best players are loans and there will be a huge turnover of staff yet again in the summer.

How you define the best manager since relegation i can’t fathom

Actually you could have used the same quotes on Mowbray in season one when it was very obvious he should have been sacked by February when he’d clearly lost all direction. The consequence was allowing him the summer which was a catastrophe in terms of recruitment - he’s miserable form continued and we were relegated

Robins track record screams short term

Click to expand...

Didn't we pay a fairly substantial amount for Williams? Plus fees/wages for a number of U23 players? Not sure what your definition of investment is

ccfcway said:

The guy who’s last two jobs he has a win record of 17% and 21% ?. My mates a Bradford fan and they couldn’t wait to get rid of him

Click to expand...

Sunderland was in the Championship, he doesn't have a great record when making that step up.

Bradford wasn't great but, as I said, some bigger issues going on there. He also didn't have a transfer window, so didn't have a chance to make changes. They are doing a lot worse this year.

Overall you can't really argue with his record in this division.

That said, I'd still stick with Robins at the moment. We play some decent football but need to address the lack of goals even if that is in the summer. The only thing that would move me from that position is if we got pulled closer to a relegation fight. Next season is key though, playoffs as a minimum has to be the target.

PVA said:

Stopped reading there.

You either don't know what you're talking about or are being incredibly blinkered to suit your agenda.

Click to expand...

There isn’t - football management is by its very nature a short term industry that’s totally results focused

As evidenced when premier league winners are shown the door a few months later

fernandopartridge said:

Come off it. His last few permanent signings:

Rose
Drysdale
McCallum
Westbrooke
Chaplin
Bakayoko
Hiwula
Mason

Agreed that our better players are probably loanees, certainly Sterling anyway but I don't think we're quite as reliant on them as we were under Mowbray where we literally had a loanee or nothing.

Click to expand...

And they are all players with potential. Yes, there have been mistakes made but I feel we can reap the rewards of these players next year once they've had time to bed in. Thought Bakayoko looked good at the weekend, aside from the bad miss. Think we now need to see this season out and push on next year. I'd still like a target man type striker adding, even if it's just as a plan B.

mark82 said:

And they are all players with potential. Yes, there have been mistakes made but I feel we can reap the rewards of these players next year once they've had time to bed in. Thought Bakayoko looked good at the weekend, aside from the bad miss. Think we now need to see this season out and push on next year. I'd still like a target man type striker adding, even if it's just as a plan B.

Click to expand...

Bakayoko Chaplin and Hiwulla have 340 games between them

Mucca Mad Boys said:

For years our fan base has bemoaned the club’s lack of a long term plan. Yet, we have a manager who is our best since relegation from the Premiership, ...

Click to expand...

Only the best because the others have been so bad.
I think it's no accident that most of the managers in the EPL are foreign.
British managers in general have proven to be very poor.
I'm not saying we should get rid of Robins right now, but you can't deny he has made many decisions which are hard to justify.

Nick said:

Unless he makes a miracle change next week he needs to go and take Chaplin with him

It's embarrassing, he looks lost

Click to expand...

Couldn't disagree more.

This is a consolidation season. I admit, it's not perfect. But it didn't look perfect this time last year either.

We looked crap up front and relied on an excellent defence. Changing manager is to be avoided unless things look like they are going nowhere.

I went to the London meeting with Mark Robins and though things are rocky at present, he is a man with a plan and he has the best interested of the club at heart.

This is a season of fine margins, and while it might be tempting to rant and rave, I think cool heads will get us further.

Mucca Mad Boys said:

For years our fan base has bemoaned the club’s lack of a long term plan. Yet, we have a manager who is our best since relegation from the Premiership, and we have one of the youngest teams in the league. Why don’t we give them time to develop and the manager time to build the squad. We’ve spent money on young talent, and you can tell from our results that we’re close to turning a lot of these frustrating losses and draws into wins.

In my view, it would be a very stupid decision on several dimensions to sack Robins. If we have a disastrous start to next season after another summer of good investment, then there may be a strong case against Robins.

Click to expand...

Because some of our fan base still think we are a premiership club and get successive promotions winning every game.
Totally agree with you and having owners where we have to find half the squad every season due to short term signings and loans has been half the problem.

Give MR at least another season to get us pushing for the playoffs and if he isn’t then start asking questions

marcusp said:

Because some of our fan base still think we are a premiership club and get successive promotions winning every game.
Totally agree with you and having owners where we have to find half the squad every season due to short term signings and loans has been half the problem.

Give MR at least another season to get us pushing for the playoffs and if he isn’t then start asking questions

Click to expand...

No I think we are a normal football club that reacts to short term issues.

The squad is weaker than the start of the season and will get a lot weaker in the summer which means another round of Robins recruitment

Grendel said:

No I think we are a normal football club that reacts to short term issues.

The squad is weaker than the start of the season and will get a lot weaker in the summer which means another round of Robins recruitment

Click to expand...

Which is reacting to a short term issue.

Did anyone actually think we were going to go up this year? If so you’re bordering on delusional. People will say look at Luton, but we finished 30 points behind them last season and they’ve strengthened massively again this year with heavy investment. Give him another season and come January if he isn’t knocking on the door of the play offs, then we may have to re-evaluate the situation. I think people forget what he’s done for this club in arresting the massive slide that many good managers failed to do so in the past. It only takes a quick look at Notts County this season to show that we really could’ve been in the s**t had we not gone up last season.

This threads a crock of shit. The club had no sort of infrastructure before Robins came back. We now have an established recruitment team, the aim was promotion for last year, this year they've also said play offs this year, which looks like falling short but they also stated the recruitment would also focus on the wider club, ie improving the standard of the under 23's, and generally getting the club on a stronger footing in terms of players.

I'd give him three games to turn it around, if there is no upturn in results, then unfortunately he will have to pay the price and be relieved of his duties.

marcusp said:

Because some of our fan base still think we are a premiership club and get successive promotions winning every game.

Click to expand...

This annoying straw man argument is what you and others trot out at those who criticise the messiah

no_loyalty said:

I'd give him three games to turn it around, if there is no upturn in results, then unfortunately he will have to pay the price and be relieved of his duties.

Click to expand...

Harsh, but 3 more successive defeats might just do it.

Give MR at least another season to get us pushing for the playoffs and if he isn’t then start asking questions[/QUOTE]
Another season !! will we be in existence then ?

no_loyalty said:

I'd give him three games to turn it around, if there is no upturn in results, then unfortunately he will have to pay the price and be relieved of his duties.

Click to expand...

3 games... And then what, the merry go round starts again, we bring in a different manager, who likes to play football in a different way, a manager who perhaps isn't particularly concerned with how the club is run, begins to neglect the U23's, stops blooding Academy players into the 1st team. Only see's it as a stepping stone and a wage for 18 months, 2 years, we may get an initial upturn in results, but ultimately nothing changes...

no_loyalty said:

I'd give him three games to turn it around, if there is no upturn in results, then unfortunately he will have to pay the price and be relieved of his duties.

Click to expand...

You are definitely dilutional

mark82 said:

Bradford wasn't great but, as I said, some bigger issues going on there. .

Click to expand...

He’d blend in well here then

Brighton Sky Blue said:

This annoying straw man argument is what you and others trot out at those who criticise the messiah

Click to expand...

I just live in reality pal and believe in giving someone a chance rather than unrealistic expectations and thinking we are billy big bollocks of the football league who should get promotion again

SkyBlueScottie said:

3 games... And then what, the merry go round starts again, we bring in a different manager, who likes to play football in a different way, a manager who perhaps isn't particularly concerned with how the club is run, begins to neglect the U23's, stops blooding Academy players into the 1st team. Only see's it as a stepping stone and a wage for 18 months, 2 years, we may get an initial upturn in results, but ultimately nothing changes...

Click to expand...

But the likes of Brighton and Canada expect us to win promotion every season because we are clearly to big for league one

Grendel said:

He signed Eastwood on a huge contract - total clown

Click to expand...

Who do you like Grendel ? Players and or managers?

marcusp said:

I just live in reality pal and believe in giving someone a chance rather than unrealistic expectations and thinking we are billy big bollocks of the football league who should get promotion again

Click to expand...

Quite honestly nobody has said that. It's just people looking at a guy doing a shit job 2 years on the bounce and refusing to change his ways.

Sky Blue Harry H said:

Who do you like Grendel ? Players and or managers?

Click to expand...

Grendel doesn't do positives.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Quite honestly nobody has said that. It's just people looking at a guy doing a shit job 2 years on the bounce and refusing to change his ways.

Click to expand...

He did a shit job last season?

Eh?

SkyBlueScottie said:

3 games... And then what, the merry go round starts again, we bring in a different manager, who likes to play football in a different way, a manager who perhaps isn't particularly concerned with how the club is run, begins to neglect the U23's, stops blooding Academy players into the 1st team. Only see's it as a stepping stone and a wage for 18 months, 2 years, we may get an initial upturn in results, but ultimately nothing changes...

Click to expand...

You do realise this is the Ken Deleui argument when he was here as to how a football club should be run?

Otis said:

He did a shit job last season?

Eh?

Click to expand...

Scrambling through the play offs of the 4th division largely thanks to McNulty does not qualify as success. The football was painful.

Sky Blue Harry H said:

Who do you like Grendel ? Players and or managers?

Click to expand...

Absurd on the player front. Managers are always one game from the sack and have to viewed as disposable commodities - it’s knowing when to press the button that’s the issue. We’ve been more guilty of holding on than letting go as a club

Otis said:

Grendel doesn't do positives.

Click to expand...

How many goals have we scored at home this season?

marcusp said:

But the likes of Brighton and Canada expect us to win promotion every season because we are clearly to big for league one

Click to expand...

Drivel