The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (6 Viewers)

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

Sick Boy

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It's a ludicrous idea, another thuggish leader still seeking to purge another 3000 Gulenists from the military etc .
He's showing too many faces to be true.

I know a Turk who happens to be gay and he told me that they actually do 'inspections' on those doing compulsory military service to work out what way they swing.
 

Grendel

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martcov

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Farage has no relevance in the uk Mart.

Constantly on the news though. Latest comment is that the HoLords is a disgrace because they asked for more scrutiny and consideration for staying in the CU to avoid problems with the Irish border etc..
 

Grendel

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Constantly on the news though. Latest comment is that the HoLords is a disgrace because they asked for more scrutiny and consideration for staying in the CU to avoid problems with the Irish border etc..

He’s hardly ever on the news.
 

SkyblueBazza

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I don’t care as we have pooled our sovereignty with our EU partners and have not had it taken away from us.

In other words we have delegated our sovereignty to the EU?! Which is NOT what people in 1973 & '75 would have been voting to do! Regaining sovereignty is what people have now voted for.

We will never be the truly sovereign nation that we were, at the head of an Empire where we say what goes.

I think you have failed to grasp the concept of sovereignty! (Understandable from your EU bubble). Sovereignty does not in any way mean we what we say goes, nor has it ever meant that. Other nations in the old Empire chose to do as we said out of fear. That was & is wrong & will never be the case again. Only bullies will miss that. Like those heading up the EU!

We are members of NATO and the UN, and will soon be signing up to trade deals where we accept other people’s conditions in order to trade with them- as we do now in the EU.

And this suggests you do not understand the concept of either negotiation & agreement either! We too will be able to set "conditions" (are you a bully too mart?)

We are not sovereign by your Brexiteer extreme definition. We are of course sovereign in the real world as we can pull out of any deal we have, including the EU.

I have lost count of how many times I have openly admitted that I voted to remain...BUT I can see new opportunities for a bright future as a result of Brexit. You have blinkers on & cannot see them is how I perceive it.

We will still have immigrants, brown instead of white, Muslim or Hindu instead of Christian, but we will lose our automatic rights to live and work where we want to in Europe.

That is probably the most openly discriminatory comment & yet startling admission I think you have made yet!


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SkyblueBazza

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Yeah and as an influential country the UK would have helped shape it.
But the actual evidence shows we couldn't influence or shape it to be better in how we see it working best for all. There were too many stark differences as to how thing can work best for the greater good.

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SkyblueBazza

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I said brown because those people who don’t like white Eastern European Christians are hardly going to be happier by Indians getting more visas.

We will have to produce goods and accept imports and probably accept immigrants according to arrangements we will have to agree to - as now with the EU. And there will be arbitration proceedings which we will have agree to - as now with the ECJ.
Trade and immigration can actually be discussed as two totally separate items.
Or are you now suggesting we don't already have immigration or trade with India? Future trade agreement will not likely be dependent upon us (nor India) accepting open immigration, or specific numbers. Just like people go to live & work in the US from the UK & vice-versa. It is controlled under agreed processes.

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clint van damme

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In other words we have delegated our sovereignty to the EU?! Which is NOT what people in 1973 & '75 would have been voting to do! Regaining sovereignty is what people have now voted for.
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those people must be livid at the recent attempts to erode sovereignty by the tories.
 

SkyblueBazza

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So you think that racists voted for open door immigration from Eastern Europe? Fair enough. I don’t.
Immigration is only one piece of a very complex jigsaw.
For example a racist that went to live & work in Germany would probably selfishly vote to remain so they could continue their current life. They didn't suddenly stop being racist

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martcov

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Trade and immigration can actually be discussed as two totally separate items.
Or are you now suggesting we don't already have immigration or trade with India? Future trade agreement will not likely be dependent upon us (nor India) accepting open immigration, or specific numbers. Just like people go to live & work in the US from the UK & vice-versa. It is controlled under agreed processes.

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Not according to India. They said there will be no Empire 2.0 and that Indian immigration will be in the discussions.

Any deal will be agreed with the stronger partner saying what will be discussed or not.
 

martcov

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Immigration is only one piece of a very complex jigsaw.
For example a racist that went to live & work in Germany would probably selfishly vote to remain so they could continue their current life. They didn't suddenly stop being racist

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Really?
 

martcov

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But the actual evidence shows we couldn't influence or shape it to be better in how we see it working best for all. There were too many stark differences as to how thing can work best for the greater good.

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The greater good being for 28 not 1.
 

martcov

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In other words we have delegated our sovereignty to the EU?! Which is NOT what people in 1973 & '75 would have been voting to do! Regaining sovereignty is what people have now voted for.



I think you have failed to grasp the concept of sovereignty! (Understandable from your EU bubble). Sovereignty does not in any way mean we what we say goes, nor has it ever meant that. Other nations in the old Empire chose to do as we said out of fear. That was & is wrong & will never be the case again. Only bullies will miss that. Like those heading up the EU!



And this suggests you do not understand the concept of either negotiation & agreement either! We too will be able to set "conditions" (are you a bully too mart?)



I have lost count of how many times I have openly admitted that I voted to remain...BUT I can see new opportunities for a bright future as a result of Brexit. You have blinkers on & cannot see them is how I perceive it.



That is probably the most openly discriminatory comment & yet startling admission I think you have made yet!


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I knowingly voted to stay in the common market in 1975 in the assumption of further integration.

I am well aware of sovereignty and know that when you are in organisations such as NATO and the UN, you do not have sovereignty - in the extreme way you see it.

Of course we can set our conditions in negotiations, but that does not mean that the other side accepts all of them.

I see no unicorns or a brighter future alone.

I criticised a portion of leavers who are racist, and because of that I am a racist in your eyes? Don’t know what you are on, but I would stick to beer if I were you.
 

Grendel

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No. It shows how out of touch you are. What ever happened to Grexit?

Out of touch? They can’t leave as the Nazi Merkel has them by the balls and couldn’t give a fuck as long as germany prospers.

You tried to say in the 70’s referendum voters were aware of political union. One that’s shite and two - what percentage of voting in the European council did we have then compared to now?
 

martcov

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Right Grendel. Ok. You have now shown what an uneducated bigot you are.

You have no idea WTF you are on about.

1. I knew full well what I voted for . A place in Europe. I am happy that the EU has extended.

2. you are so fxxking thick that you equate Merkel with Nazis. Apart from anything else, do really think Hitler would have helped fleeing refugees?

Go back to your dumbfxxk mates.

BTW Robert Bosch have a possible solution to the Diesel problem. At least for future engines. Hopefully your generation will be gone from JLR by then. Who needs idiots equating intelligent Germans with Nazis?
 

Grendel

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Right Grendel. Ok. You have now shown what an uneducated bigot you are.

You have no idea WTF you are on about.

1. I knew full well what I voted for . A place in Europe. I am happy that the EU has extended.

2. you are so fxxking thick that you equate Merkel with Nazis. Apart from anything else, do really think Hitler would have helped fleeing refugees?

Go back to your dumbfxxk mates.

BTW Robert Bosch have a possible solution to the Diesel problem. At least for future engines. Hopefully your generation will be gone from JLR by then. Who needs idiots equating intelligent Germans with Nazis?

Yes I know exactly what I’m talking about about.

The EU benefits germany above all else. The Eu has all but destroyed Greece, it’s people and it’s economy and the Eurocrats sit back and do nothing - it’s a scandal

You didn’t vote for political union because the YES vote at the time stressed that people like Tony Benn who said powers would be reduced and sovereignty lost were scaremongering. They pointed to a veto and said we would have power to vote against anything that did not benefit the uk. This power doesn’t now exist. Also they pointed to the fact we had nearly 20% of the voting powers in the council - we now have less than half.

It’s shown that papers and minutes revealing the true extent of political union from Brussels was suppressed and not revealed to the public.

This isn’t about the good of the 28 - it’s the good of the greedy facist few at the expense of everyone else.

You and your brother are two peas in a pod it seems.
 

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