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Again, nobody is criticising those who live far away, Work, have family or other commitments. The criticism is aimed at those who’ve spent the last week in social media complaining at season ticket holder allocation for away games but then don’t turn up to games on their doorstep.

There's no two ways about it, the lack of an increase in attendance when the team are doing well is disappointing. Even the manager and various players have said so.

Of course there's always going to be people that can't go to every game but I suspect some of those who 'can't' go wouldn't have the same problem if it was Real Madrid in the Champions League rather than Cambridge in L2.

Otis said:

He's not a Mr. Big anymore, he's now just a henchman and I easily beat him off to get to the big cheese.

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Otis said:

I was in the Bahamas on a beautiful sandy beach at 12, making love to a stunning Swedish model at 2, killing Mr. Big at 3.15, waking up at 4.30 and at the Ricoh for around 7.

I'm exhausted.

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Nice deflection....when he said Sven, he meant the Swedish model you mentioned...... :emoji_grin:

clint van damme said:

I don't think anyone should be made to feel guilty for not going and I understand the myriad of reasons people don't.
But I also don't think that people shouldn't be made to feel guilty for being passionate or getting frustrated with the lack of support, (particularly just days a big FA cup turn out), on a CCFC fans forum but it happens far too often on here for my liking.

I personally wouldn't have posted what Patsy did but I can understand his frustration and if there is anywhere he should be able to vent that frustration it's on a Coventry City message board.

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That's the thing though CVD, there's a thin line between being passionate about wanting people to be there and not understanding reasons for people not being there.

pastythegreat said:

See, you taking the offensive but you've obviously read my post wrong! I'm not having a go at people who went Saturday but not last night, although they do deserve a rant! My rant was at people who wanted to go on Saturday but couldn't get tickets.
If we were given 11-12k tickets for Saturday, we'd most likely of sold them, we didn't so people missed out. I'm aiming at the people that were desperate to watch city on Saturday that couldn't, if you were that desperate you could of watched them last night!

You can argue people can't afford £20+ at the end of Jan to go to a game, however, if more MK Dons tickets had been made available, I'm sure the same people would of managed to find £20 for a ticket, £15 for the train and £40 for beers!

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Fair response Pasty but I guess you can say the same rationale could apply for those who didn't get a ticket. There could be a number of reasons why they could go on Saturday but not last night.

And apologies, I did misread your post initially.

WM

I could've predicted this childish thread from our self named superfans. I was up there last night (with my daughter - poor thing was freezing), but it was a cold Tuesday night in January and we're in L2 - what did you expect? I certainly expected to see a thread of faux outrage when I got home and listen to similar drivel on the CWR phone in on the way home.

This wont encourage them back. We've had periods of promise in the past, short unsustained periods and relatively little success - we're not even out of the woods after the transfer window yet and no real success to shout about. I respect the fantastic job our manager and players are doing, but we still have one of the highest attendances in the league and historically we have always got up in numbers for big occasions.

I know I'm wasting my time as this entire conversation will be repeated some times in the future. Accept that it happens, save your energy for supporting the team and welcome those on the edge when they do come. Who knows a less hostile welcome to the odd attendee might have them returning after years of disappointment and expecting more lows than highs.

Skyblueweeman said:

That's the thing though CVD, there's a thin line between being passionate about wanting people to be there and not understanding reasons for people not being there.

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I accept that point. But ST holders have been called worms and sisu lovers on here and it seems to be acceptable to many, on a CCFC fans forum! Yet when someone get's a bit passionate like Patsy even if it is a little misguided it gets pounced on. I appreciate that's not something you have done.

pastythegreat said:

I'm not on about people not going to every game. FFS, I'm a season ticket holder and nor even I can get to every fucking game! I'm on about the 5000 people who reckon they were desperate to see the city at MK Dons but unfairly couldn't get tickets because of season ticket holder. They could of got tickets piss easy for last night, so why didn't they?

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the so called 5000 people were not on this forum - I recall possibly 1 or 2 people on here complaining they couldn't get tickets as "season ticket holders took them all"

You are preaching to the wrong crowd on here, the facebook forum is where you want to be pointing the finger

We've always had fluctuating crowds in all the years I've been going to games. I thought last nights crowd was good, so don't understand the problem ? Even in the Premier we would get a big gate verses Man Utd,and the next one say against Southampton would see it drastically reduced. Call us fickle or fairweather its always been the Coventry way !

I'd also add that not only the cold, the less convenient Tuesday night rather than Saturday afternoon, the expectation when they can just go to another game soon (eg Accrington) and the price. For the casual fan £25 to watch L2 football is pretty ridiculous when you add in parking, programme, food and maybe even more than one family member, then it's not a cheap night out in the cold for potentially very little entertainment.

rob9872 said:

I'd also add that not only the cold, the less convenient Tuesday night rather than Saturday afternoon, the expectation when they can just go to another game soon (eg Accrington) and the price. For the casual fan £25 to watch L2 football is pretty ridiculous when you add in parking, programme, food and maybe even more than one family member, then it's not a cheap night out in the cold for potentially very little entertainment.

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especially when you've spent all your money on chisel and shots on Saturday!!

olderskyblue said:

Nice deflection....when he said Sven, he meant the Swedish model you mentioned...... :emoji_grin:

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Yes he dodged the Bullet there .
Old Sidestep! !

Last night's other big games:
Lincoln vs Newport Attendance: 7,567 £20 tickets
Luton vs Wycombe Attendance: 8,564 (791 away) £20 tickets

I didn't think it was that cold there last night and I'm normally freezing at the Ricoh

I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:

Have to agree, it’s weird for years as a STH I always used to get annoyed by ‘bandwagoners’ but last few years I realised I’m the ‘fool’ so many games I wouldn’t have gone to if it hadn’t been for my ST, this year I’ve been to a handful Home and away and I’ve enjoyed it far more having had a break and going when I want.

Massive credit to those that are still going up you are the hardcore, but digging out fans for not paying £20+ at the end in what feels like the the 3rd month of January is a shame. Be glad you’ve witnessed another win the biggest ‘losers’ are those of us that have sat through awful game, defeat after defeat but are missing out on win after win at home.

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Exactly the same as me. Great post and wholeheartedly agree.

chiefdave said:

There's no two ways about it, the lack of an increase in attendance when the team are doing well is disappointing. Even the manager and various players have said so.

Of course there's always going to be people that can't go to every game but I suspect some of those who 'can't' go wouldn't have the same problem if it was Real Madrid in the Champions League rather than Cambridge in L2.

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This touches on a good point.
Cambridge or Man Utd is more of a comparison.
It seems with our fans it needs to be a big team or a big competition.
Nothing wrong with that but they must realise they won't get the big teams without supporting.
I suspect, like me, that there appears no future with Sisu in control and that they are chucking there money at a wasted cause.

italiahorse said:

This touches on a good point.
Cambridge or Man Utd is more of a comparison.
It seems with our fans it needs to be a big team or a big competition.
Nothing wrong with that but they must realise they won't get the big teams without supporting.
I suspect, like me, that there appears no future with Sisu in control and that they are chucking there money at a wasted cause.

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How is a team fighting for promotion and into the 5th round of the cup a lost cause?

Skyblueweeman said:

Or it's at the weekend when more people can go as they're not working weekends....

To be fair to you...that price drop has incentivised me for two reasons:
1. A ticket price of £5 compared to £23 doesn't sound a lot in the grand scheme of things. But I need to spend £30 on petrol to get to a game and back at the Ricoh. That's before I think about a beer in the casino before the match, programme, parking, half time refreshments etc. £35 for travel and ticket is much better (for me personally) than £53.
2. I feel like the club are finally listening to fans with the promotions. We've asked for discounted tickets to drive attendances up. If I therefore didn't go, I'd feel bad.

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i was jokin...

clint van damme said:

How is a team fighting for promotion and into the 5th round of the cup a lost cause?

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It's a great moment staying in the cup which these fans will share.
League 2 is a terrible league and fans are reserved due to our inconsistent performances.
Rest assured if we are still challenging for a promotion place at the end of the season they will be there.

Liquid Gold said:

Again, nobody is criticising those who live far away, Work, have family or other commitments. The criticism is aimed at those who’ve spent the last week in social media complaining at season ticket holder allocation for away games but then don’t turn up to games on their doorstep.

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Yep and of course many have genuine reasons why they couldn't come last night, but not everyone who stayed away will be because they had work, or it was too far, or they couldn't afford it, or were ill etc.

Thousands stay away and they can't ALL have work commitments, or be ill, or be too far away.

That's the point that's being made here. For every genuine reason there must be at least another that has no reason at all past 'can't be arsed unless it's a big game or Wembley.'

I watched the game on iFollow and will watch with interest on Saturday when the offer kicks in.
If price is the issue then we live in a unique bubble within England! The championship is now the third largest league in Europe and league one is watched by more people than The Dutch league.
If it's politics then we have the most principled fans in history, if it's the weather in January then perhaps we should relocate to the South Coast?
if it's because we are in league 2 and the football is shit then thank god the football was so scintillating last season in league one, praise be that our team featured the silky fluid skills on offer in that league, rather than the shit 7 in a row at home team in division 4 and we can dismiss the efforts and talents on offer today and reminisce about the race to the bottom last season.
In the meantime our betters at Wasps don't seem to suffer these travails in the same stadium and in the same season of the year with the same micro climate.
But rest assured we are massive, so huge that the small town of Lincoln and Luton got bigger gates last night and our place in the pantheon of great clubs was confirmed by the 8000 that went to MK Dons on Saturday.
I reckoned that our city has been so apathetic for decades, springs to life when we are winning, strike that because we are winning now and where is the rush at the turnstiles?
The real reason must be that someone decided to build a new stadium on the edge of the city they don't live in.
Maybe the problem was that some guys were unruly at the weekend and it deterred some from a home game against the team that beat us 4-1 in the cup they are so keen to get tickets for this year.
Or maybe just maybe the general public is just not interested in supporting the team or parting with its cash in any month not just the tough month of January. This is not aimed at anybody who goes and parts with their hard earned and it will miss the intended target, those that can't be arsed.
Bigger than Wolves? closer to FGR.

pastythegreat said:

See, you taking the offensive but you've obviously read my post wrong! I'm not having a go at people who went Saturday but not last night, although they do deserve a rant! My rant was at people who wanted to go on Saturday but couldn't get tickets.
If we were given 11-12k tickets for Saturday, we'd most likely of sold them, we didn't so people missed out. I'm aiming at the people that were desperate to watch city on Saturday that couldn't, if you were that desperate you could of watched them last night!

You can argue people can't afford £20+ at the end of Jan to go to a game, however, if more MK Dons tickets had been made available, I'm sure the same people would of managed to find £20 for a ticket, £15 for the train and £40 for beers!

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I hang my head in shame for not going (although stated why above). Although I didn't moan about not getting a ticket for MK I would have loved to have gone - could have caught up with an ex-colleague. However, I couldn't afford the Outlay. I wouldn't have been able to get the money if I wanted to - same for last night. The AS game might be a squeeze to afford as well with the parking costs etc. I did go to Wembley in the Check-a-trade final though - naughty me.

Anybody want to buy a kidney so I can afford to go to watch my beloved Coventry play a L2 game

Ccfcsj said:

I hang my head in shame for not going (although stated why above). Although I didn't moan about not getting a ticket for MK I would have loved to have gone - could have caught up with an ex-colleague. However, I couldn't afford the Outlay. I wouldn't have been able to get the money if I wanted to - same for last night. The AS game might be a squeeze to afford as well with the parking costs etc. I did go to Wembley in the Check-a-trade final though - naughty me.

Anybody want to buy a kidney so I can afford to go to watch my beloved Coventry play a L2 game

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I'm a vegetarian, so it's a no from me, but my wife is a rabid carnivore, so I will text her now and see what she says.

The bond between fans and club is broken in many cases. The interest is still there (Wembley, MK) but what was unconditional love is now very much conditional. The bottom line is we are chronically starved of success and have also recently had our fingers burnt by the L1 post christmas slump 2 seasons ago. While we on here are enjoying our form in the league, a handful of games unbeaten at home in front of 6800 fans in L2 does not represent success in the grand scheme of things for many whose love for the club was developed outside of the last 10 years and can remember the 'golden years'. If we are still hovering between autos and playoffs then crowds will only start to significantly rise in March, but not before, because then the finishing line is in view rather than it being a leap of faith in January that we have finally got something right. Is that frustrating for those fans whose bond still remains? Absolutely. Is it wrong for the people whose bond is broken to feel that way? Absolutely not.

There are 7 home league games after the Accrington deal, what the club should be doing at that game is marketing an offer for those remaining 7 tickets for £99 quid and a frozen season ticket price for 2018/2019 irrespective of promotion.

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i was jokin...

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Think I’m a bit touchy this morning!


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I'm not going to criticise anyone who didn't go last night or to any other match. I was an armchair supporter for years so I have no moral high ground.
For me the real issue is a bit different
People say that our following at Wembley, MKand other away games shows that we have the potential to be a well supported team. I'm not sure about that. I think there are a lot of people who will go to "big games" because others are going, but it will take years of success before more than a minority of them turn into regular supporters

I did go last night but generally I don't enjoy going to the Ricoh that much. I much prefer away games and having a good day out and perhaps many people feel the same.

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I could've predicted this childish thread from our self named superfans. I was up there last night (with my daughter - poor thing was freezing), but it was a cold Tuesday night in January and we're in L2 - what did you expect? I certainly expected to see a thread of faux outrage when I got home and listen to similar drivel on the CWR phone in on the way home.

This wont encourage them back. We've had periods of promise in the past, short unsustained periods and relatively little success - we're not even out of the woods after the transfer window yet and no real success to shout about. I respect the fantastic job our manager and players are doing, but we still have one of the highest attendances in the league and historically we have always got up in numbers for big occasions.

I know I'm wasting my time as this entire conversation will be repeated some times in the future. Accept that it happens, save your energy for supporting the team and welcome those on the edge when they do come. Who knows a less hostile welcome to the odd attendee might have them returning after years of disappointment and expecting more lows than highs.

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I don't think it has anything to do with the day or the weather. If we were playing Man Utd on a cold, wet Tuesday night, we would sell out. It's nothing to do with "superfans" either, that is a childish remark.

Whilst I understand not everyone can do every game - although I have a ST I couldn't make it last night - it is annoying when you hear people complaining they can't get tickets for certain games, but then fail to turn up to the Ricoh. Are these people going to support the team or just going for the occasion?

torchomatic said:

I don't think it has anything to do with the day or the weather. If we were playing Man Utd on a cold, wet Tuesday night, we would sell out. It's nothing to do with "superfans" either, that is a childish remark.

Whilst I understand not everyone can do every game - although I have a ST I couldn't make it last night - it is annoying when you hear people complaining they can't get tickets for certain games, but then fail to turn up to the Ricoh. Are these people going to support the team or just going for the occasion?

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I'd say a fair few go for the occasion, the piss up and a day out. Can obviously understand if people down south work until 5 they have no chance of getting here, have kids etc so there are plenty of reasons.

On the other hand there are plenty of people who just make up random nonsense. "spent all my money at MK, dont want to pay a tenner to park, it's soulless at the ricoh etc etc".

Weeman works on the south coast for example, it's a bit of a difference from somebody who lives 10-15 minutes from the Ricoh who just couldn't be arsed.

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I'd also add that not only the cold, the less convenient Tuesday night rather than Saturday afternoon, the expectation when they can just go to another game soon (eg Accrington) and the price. For the casual fan £25 to watch L2 football is pretty ridiculous when you add in parking, programme, food and maybe even more than one family member, then it's not a cheap night out in the cold for potentially very little entertainment.

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This is it really. While people like me can give it the Billy Big Bollocks for roaming around the country getting pissed in all of these God-forsaken Northern hell-holes, there’s a lot of people who have to pick & choose their games and days out based on loads of factors including cost, competing commitments and if they can be actually be arsed to pay £25 to watch Cambridge United on a freezing January night when they can save £85* and watch Cambridge Uni on University Challenge on TV for free in the comfort of their own homes.

Up until a few years ago, I spent most of our failing Championship to Northampton seasons being very picky about matches because I’d got married and was renovating our home so money was tight.

Last night there was a bit of banter with mates as one has been to two matches this week after being a more casual fan recently but the guy has got married and had a kid so piss-taking aside, I’d be a very, very casual fan too in his situation. Why waste time/money on a potentially average (at best) experience when you can save it for the big one?

As Kev Monks – the person who’s probably the yardstick for Cov fandom – would say: true fans are the ones who commit as much as their circumstances allow.

Some of us want to go for the occasional, big day out, others want to grind our way around the country in some bizarre test of will, transport availability and liver function.

If you’re a Cov fan, you’re a Cov fan. That’s all you need really. We can’t be fussy about who is mad enough to support us can we?


* £85 last night made up of train fare (£25.50 + £12), taxi when the rail replacement bus didn’t show at Nunny Town (£16.50), beers and food (£15), season ticket (£16). Travel back from London included in my train season ticket. No programme, no kids in tow, no pie or bovril. Football, even in L2, is not cheap anymore.

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This is it really. While people like me can give it the Billy Big Bollocks for roaming around the country getting pissed in all of these God-forsaken Northern hell-holes, there’s a lot of people who have to pick & choose their games and days out based on loads of factors including cost, competing commitments and if they can be actually be arsed to pay £25 to watch Cambridge United on a freezing January night when they can save £85* and watch Cambridge Uni on University Challenge on TV for free in the comfort of their own homes.

Up until a few years ago, I spent most of our failing Championship to Northampton seasons being very picky about matches because I’d got married and was renovating our home so money was tight.

Last night there was a bit of banter with mates as one has been to two matches this week after being a more casual fan recently but the guy has got married and had a kid so piss-taking aside, I’d be a very, very casual fan too in his situation. Why waste time/money on a potentially average (at best) experience when you can save it for the big one?

As Kev Monks – the person who’s probably the yardstick for Cov fandom – would say: true fans are the ones who commit as much as their circumstances allow.

Some of us want to go for the occasional, big day out, others want to grind our way around the country in some bizarre test of will, transport availability and liver function.

If you’re a Cov fan, you’re a Cov fan. That’s all you need really. We can’t be fussy about who is mad enough to support us can we?


* £85 last night made up of train fare (£25.50 + £12), taxi when the rail replacement bus didn’t show at Nunny Town (£16.50), beers and food (£15), season ticket (£16). Travel back from London included in my train season ticket. No programme, no kids in tow, no pie or bovril. Football, even in L2, is not cheap anymore.

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MATCH.PACKAGES.

BUY.A.MATCH.PACKAGE.

IF. YOU.ONLY.WANT.TO.GO.TO.SELECT.GAMES.AND.THE.PRICE.IS.TOO.HIGH.THEN.BY.A.MATCH.PACKAGE.

How many times.

torchomatic said:

I don't think it has anything to do with the day or the weather. If we were playing Man Utd on a cold, wet Tuesday night, we would sell out. It's nothing to do with "superfans" either, that is a childish remark.

Whilst I understand not everyone can do every game - although I have a ST I couldn't make it last night - it is annoying when you hear people complaining they can't get tickets for certain games, but then fail to turn up to the Ricoh. Are these people going to support the team or just going for the occasion?

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You've taken that out of context. I'm not bothered if people complain when they can't get a ticket, it doesn't affect me as I can get mine. This is regurgitated nonsense every time we have a big game followed by another less attractive fixture and will be debated again for sure. I find it more annoying that people believe they're better fans because they went to a less attractive fixture - we're all CCFC fans and there is no hierarchy.

A good example is my dad who didn't go last night but I got him a ticket for MK - he's likely seen more games than most on here with many years of being a ST holder, but never recaptured his imagination after the season away at Sixfields and now only goes to an occasional game, I think that was his 3rd or 4th fixture of the season. To suggest people like him (and I believe there are many) have a responsibility to attend games such as last night is laughable.