Venus interview (1 Viewer)

Nick · Dec 12, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
That's two negative stories from the BBC in four days. Anything to put the boot in hey Nick

Just a shame they copied it from the Telegraph's article, the other one that was factually incorrect

davebart · Dec 12, 2016

torchomatic said:
Still don't agree with the TM thing. He knew the budget but he messed the recruitment up. He hedged his bets and it backfired. '

Did he want Fleck and Vincelot to go? Or was he forced to let them go from the budget reduction?
We don't know.
I just see a succession of managers, some of whom have had success elsewhere, being absolutely rubbish when they come to us.

torchomatic · Dec 12, 2016

davebart said:
Did he want Fleck and Vincelot to go? Or was he forced to let them go from the budget reduction?
We don't know.
I just see a succession of managers, some of whom have had success elsewhere, being absolutely rubbish when they come to us.

Who knows? You certainly don't. We offered Fleck a contract and he went to Sheff Utd or more money, even the club stated that.

davebart · Dec 12, 2016

Exactly - the club stated it so it must be true.
Maybe what we offered was rubbish.

Captain Dart · Dec 12, 2016

torchomatic said:
Still don't agree with the TM thing. He knew the budget but he messed the recruitment up. He hedged his bets and it backfired. '

He didn't hedge his bets he gambled on one risky strategy & when it failed was left with a very sub optimal alternative.

torchomatic · Dec 12, 2016

Captain Dart said:
He didn't hedge his bets he gambled on one risky strategy & when it failed was left with a very sub optimal alternative.

Getting rid of defenders before we'd bought new ones, you mean? Yeah, a risky strategy. He and MV had all summer to sort themselves out with the budget they had, they messed it up. Big time. They then panicked and TM jumped ship and left us with his poor signings. Only Turnbull and Sordell come out with any credit for me, the rest are hopeless. Buying Kwame Thomas was probably the biggest joke. Injured when we signed him and lasted ten minutes into his debut.

TM/MV got it so right last season but so wrong this seaon.

Nick · Dec 12, 2016

davebart said:
Exactly - the club stated it so it must be true.
Maybe what we offered was rubbish.

Or what they offered was a lot.

skybluetony176 · Dec 12, 2016

Nick said:
Just a shame they copied it from the Telegraph's article, the other one that was factually incorrect

That only proves your point. The media hates the club and will do anything to put the boot in with misinformation and inaccuracies. It's a conspiracy I tell you.

Nick · Dec 12, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
That only proves your point. The media hates the club and will do anything to put the boot in with misinformation and inaccuracies. It's a conspiracy I tell you.

Or they just had incorrect facts they took from the telegraph?

skybluetony176 · Dec 12, 2016

Nick said:
Or they just had incorrect facts they took from the telegraph?

That makes them worse surely. They're so keen to put the boot in they'll repeat known lies.

Nick · Dec 12, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
That makes them worse surely. They're so keen to put the boot in they'll repeat known lies.

I have no idea, I did point that out in reply to you asking what the telegraph have said that's untrue

I must have put it in a football related thread as I don't think it got a reply.

SkyblueBazza · Dec 12, 2016

oucho said:
Having only read the transcript and not heard the audio, it does sound like a highly emotional stream of consciousness. One poster on the Southend thread mentioned that the fans have been singing personal attack chants like "shove your houses up your arse" or something, which would account for his apparently emotional state and also some defensive tone in stating he only works on football etc.

Reading the comments, they seem incoherent although maybe they made more sense when spoken. It sounds like he's frazzled and fed up with what he's doing; I would not be in the lesat bit surprised if he feels he is doing the job on sufferance and that TF has said that he has to hang on for longer because the two of them don't have the time/resource to recruit a new manager in a shorter timeframe than previously envisaged.

I feel sorry for the bloke and would never call for anyone to lose their job, but the sooner he steps aside / goes upstairs and lets someone else have a go, the better.

I'm always a "glass half full" merchant when it comes to our prospects on the pitch but even I can see us being genuine relegation candidates this time. This feels more terminal than the season when SP was sacked. FWIW I think we'll survive just about but that won't serve to paper over the cracks / gaping chasms at this club.

But they promised 'this will never happen again'

As for MV...if he thinks being a stand-in manager for a few months is tough - he should try being a fan for a season, let Alne being a lifelong one!

...onwards & upwards PUSB

SkyblueBazza · Dec 12, 2016

Paxman II said:
If he was my manager he would be out the door first thing in the morning. He lost his cool. He was blabbering like a baby. He allowed his emotions to get the better of him.
He announced the team are not good enough for this league. If he hadn't already lost the players he sure has now.
The club needs a Sean Dyche type character who will motivate and stand for no nonsense. My pick was Neil Warnock previously and of course he went to Cardiff.
I really struggle to think who we can persuade to come in?

Don't forget that Steve Evans has possibly been 'courted'...since when he has possibly been quietly beavering away at January loan signings so he can take over with a full fanfare & waltz to the rescue with a swagger...before we go round again in 18 month's time

...onwards & upwards PUSB

Nick · Dec 12, 2016

SkyblueBazza said:
Don't forget that Steve Evans has possibly been 'courted'...since when he has possibly been quietly beavering away at January loan signings so he can take over with a full fanfare & waltz to the rescue with a swagger...before we go round again in 18 month's time

...onwards & upwards PUSB

He is the manager of Mansfield now, that would be a bit too undercover

SkyblueBazza · Dec 12, 2016

Nick said:
He is the manager of Mansfield now, that would be a bit too undercover

Is he? Well...stranger things have happened lol

...onwards & upwards PUSB

skybluetony176 · Dec 13, 2016

Nick said:
I have no idea, I did point that out in reply to you asking what the telegraph have said that's untrue

I must have put it in a football related thread as I don't think it got a reply.

I can't post on a football related thread as I could never be that mean to you and take away one of your get out of jail free cards.

Nick · Dec 13, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
I can't post on a football related thread as I could never be that mean to you and take away one of your get out of jail free cards.

Hardly a get out of jail free card, I replied to you didn't I?

TrueSkyBlueLiam · Dec 13, 2016

The last 24 hours' developments prove both SISU and Venus agree, we need a new manager quickly. But regarding the interview, that was the first glimpse of fire and passion i have heard from Venus. He may not be a great manager, but i don't think he is as much to blame regarding off the field matters as people claim. He came onto the board to assist Mowbray. But you have to ask the question, why didn't he relinquish his corporate role after Mowbray's resignation?

Nick · Dec 13, 2016

TrueSkyBlueLiam said:
The last 24 hours' developments prove both SISU and Venus agree, we need a new manager quickly. But regarding the interview, that was the first glimpse of fire and passion i have heard from Venus. He may not be a great manager, but i don't think he is as much to blame regarding off the field matters as people claim. He came onto the board to assist Mowbray. But you have to ask the question, why didn't he relinquish his corporate role after Mowbray's resignation?

I don't think Venus is getting too much stick for off the field stuff is he? Other than the presentation he did.

TrueSkyBlueLiam · Dec 13, 2016

Nick said:
I don't think Venus is getting too much stick for off the field stuff is he? Other than the presentation he did.

A lot of people are linking him to Fisher and SISU, saying he's just as bad. On field matters, sure, blame him. But the training ground stuff, he's being drafted into this simply because there's no-one left to assist Fisher

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