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[italiahorse]

Thank you, I was having trouble working that out. 4 wheel drive I can understand does what it says on the tin - why do they need a new name for it how many cars have more than 4 wheels?

Grendels got a 3 wheeler so he could be right on this one :thinking about:

 

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[duffer]

Thank you, I was having trouble working that out. 4 wheel drive I can understand does what it says on the tin - why do they need a new name for it how many cars have more than 4 wheels?

Don't quote me on this, but I think it started to move to AWD when talking about saloons and family cars (think Subaru, Volvo, Audi), to differentiate them from the (infrequently) muddy monsters known as 4WD. I'm kind of old school on this, having worked for LR back in the day. It's not a true 4WD unless you've got at least two gearsticks and free-wheeling hubs and you can clean the inside out with a hose.

 

[Astute]

Can you please sxplain to me why the match day costs varied from one deal to the next?

Police costs are separate they are paid direct by the club as are stewards and St Johns

An ACL statement read: 'To enable the football club to fulfil its commitments under Football League regulations, and to provide stability whilst Coventry City Football Club Limited, which owns the League Share, remains in administration, ACL has agreed to allow the club to play its homes games free of any rental fee, therefore removing any need for the supporters to travel outside the city to watch home games. 'All charges incurred on matchday as a consequence of staging a football match will be passed through at cost, for example, stewarding, policing, utilities, frost protection, matchday repairs to stadium, health safety and compliance management and certification, service charges for maintenance contracts eg floodlights, generators etc.'The directors of ACL hope the supporters of Coventry City Football Club, the joint administrators and the Football League will view this as a positive and productive move and should assist in dispelling the uncertainty and upset of the past weeks.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...owed-play-Ricoh-Arena-free.html#ixzz31b1S2uJ7

So if SISU would have been paying for the police and other services separate as you say why didn't they sue this newspaper......or at least the usual threat of litigation?

 

[James Smith]

Don't quote me on this, but I think it started to move to AWD when talking about saloons and family cars (think Subaru, Volvo, Audi), to differentiate them from the (infrequently) muddy monsters known as 4WD. I'm kind of old school on this, having worked for LR back in the day. It's not a true 4WD unless you've got at least two gearsticks and free-wheeling hubs and you can clean the inside out with a hose.

Ah okay that makes sense I guess.

 

[Astute]

How do you know they were offered free rent??????????

Would an article from the Independent do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ena-offered-to-coventry-rentfree-8653527.html

 

[Grendel]

It relates to Jaguar maybe renewing their interest in sponsoring the stadium if Ricoh get cold feet. But that's another thread.

They won't end of the big idea.

 

[Grendel]

Anyone can make a stupid statement or joke on this board, safe in the knowledge that no matter what they say they will never be the biggest idiot !!

Ah you made a stupid statement and I'm the idiot.

Of course.

 

[Astute]

Ah you made a stupid statement and I'm the idiot.

Of course.

No more comments about ACL charging for policing when you said it was SISU and our club that would have paid for it?

 

[Grendel]

No more comments about ACL charging for policing when you said it was SISU and our club that would have paid for it?

I can't see how a fixed matchday charge can include policing as that has to be a variable cost dependant on crowds. Can you?

 

[skybluetony176]

Can you please sxplain to me why the match day costs varied from one deal to the next?

Police costs are separate they are paid direct by the club as are stewards and St Johns

I can give you one reason straight of the bat without even have to think about it.

When CCFC were last playing at the Ricoh the ground staff were employed by CCFC. They are now employed by ACL.

Perhaps our wonderful owners would be kind enough to give a breakdown of these costs from our original tenancy to what they were in the last offer instead of muddying the waters with sound bites that confuse idiots that don't seem to be able to work out that the club might be getting more for their money this time compared to last time and that the extra cost could also be offset by savings to the club in other area's.

 

[Grendel]

I can give you one reason straight of the bat without even have to think about it.

When CCFC were last playing at the Ricoh, CCFC the ground staff were employed by CCFC. They are now employed by ACL.

Perhaps our wonderful owners would be kind enough to give a breakdown of these costs from our original tenancy to what they were in the last offer instead of muddying the waters with sound bites that confuse idiots that don't seem to be able to work out that the club might be getting more for their money this time compared to last time and that the extra cost could also be offset by savings to the club in other area's.

In talking about the deals proposed after we moved out.

Talking about transparamcy it would have been nice for ACL to confirm the observer story false that they had a contract on a sponsor until 2025.

Why didn't they?

 

[Astute]

I can't see how a fixed matchday charge can include policing as that has to be a variable cost dependant on crowds. Can you?

Is that like when you said on this thread that SISU paid for the policing?

Quite easy really. Average attendance for manpower needed. Wouldn't be too far out, although you would prefer to agree with Timothy on what was and wasn't included.

 

[Nick]

Is that like when you said on this thread that SISU paid for the policing?

Quite easy really. Average attendance for manpower needed. Wouldn't be too far out, although you would prefer to agree with Timothy on what was and wasn't included.

The club pay for policing themselves don't they?

 

[chiefdave]

The club pay for policing themselves don't they?

Could even be the case that there's 2 police charges. One covering the stadium itself, and surrounding ACL land, and another for public areas away from the ground.

 

[Astute]

The club pay for policing themselves don't they?

Or could be Timothy twisting words again. All newspapers said at the time that ACL were going to charge SISU the cost of policing the games. Wouldn't be the first time he had twisted the truth would it.

 

[skybluetony176]

In talking about the deals proposed after we moved out.

Talking about transparamcy it would have been nice for ACL to confirm the observer story false that they had a contract on a sponsor until 2025.

Why didn't they?

LOL, Look over there!

As I answered your question and you've completely dodged the point I guess I'm 100% right and it doesn't assist your argument.

 

[chiefdave]

I can't see how a fixed matchday charge can include policing as that has to be a variable cost dependant on crowds. Can you?

Depend how variable it is. If it's a cost per head then the only way it would work would be using an expected average with a premium to be paid if that is exceeded. If its banded it might not be an issue, say 10-15K is all one rate then ACL could work off every game being the same cost.

 

[italiahorse]

Ah you made a stupid statement and I'm the idiot.

Of course.

I rest my case, m'lord

 

[Nick]

Or could be Timothy twisting words again. All newspapers said at the time that ACL were going to charge SISU the cost of policing the games. Wouldn't be the first time he had twisted the truth would it.

Wasnt it from the accounts too? I always thought we paid for the police ourselves.

Have you found anything to say we paid acl for policing? This quote from ACL says the club pay it.

A5. Match-day costs include, contributions towards the groundsman ( previously employed by the club and now by ACL), the pitch treatments, the equipment to maintain the pitch, a contribution towards match-day utilities, hygiene, maintenance staff, waste disposal, statutory compliance, match-day stadium safety and control room management. The proposal excluded police, West Midlands Ambulance, St Johns Ambulance, medical personnel, ticketing staff, stewards as these remain an obligation of the football club, which has always been the case, and would be a requirement at any other venue. Costs for the remainder of 13/14 season would equate to £8,470 per match and for 14/15 and 15/16 seasons £12,316 per match.

 

[Nick]

An ACL statement read: 'To enable the football club to fulfil its commitments under Football League regulations, and to provide stability whilst Coventry City Football Club Limited, which owns the League Share, remains in administration, ACL has agreed to allow the club to play its homes games free of any rental fee, therefore removing any need for the supporters to travel outside the city to watch home games. 'All charges incurred on matchday as a consequence of staging a football match will be passed through at cost, for example, stewarding, policing, utilities, frost protection, matchday repairs to stadium, health safety and compliance management and certification, service charges for maintenance contracts eg floodlights, generators etc.'The directors of ACL hope the supporters of Coventry City Football Club, the joint administrators and the Football League will view this as a positive and productive move and should assist in dispelling the uncertainty and upset of the past weeks.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...owed-play-Ricoh-Arena-free.html#ixzz31b1S2uJ7

So if SISU would have been paying for the police and other services separate as you say why didn't they sue this newspaper......or at least the usual threat of litigation?

How many papers have they tried to sue or threatened?

ACL say the club do pay for policing, stewarding as they said themselves here:

Q5. What do match day expenses cover? Please define the costs involved?
A5. Match-day costs include, contributions towards the groundsman ( previously employed by the club and now by ACL), the pitch treatments, the equipment to maintain the pitch, a contribution towards match-day utilities, hygiene, maintenance staff, waste disposal, statutory compliance, match-day stadium safety and control room management. The proposal excluded police, West Midlands Ambulance, St Johns Ambulance, medical personnel, ticketing staff, stewards as these remain an obligation of the football club, which has always been the case, and would be a requirement at any other venue. Costs for the remainder of 13/14 season would equate to £8,470 per match and for 14/15 and 15/16 seasons £12,316 per match.

Maybe it is ACL twisting their words as they have said two different things....

 

[wingy]

Confused much !!

Devils In the Detail.

 

[Grendel]

Depend how variable it is. If it's a cost per head then the only way it would work would be using an expected average with a premium to be paid if that is exceeded. If its banded it might not be an issue, say 10-15K is all one rate then ACL could work off every game being the same cost.

The club pay for policing.

An Astute fact is confusing the issue.

 

[Nick]

The club pay for policing.

An Astute fact is confusing the issue.

I'm confused, so astute is saying they don't?

 

[Grendel]

LOL, Look over there!

As I answered your question and you've completely dodged the point I guess I'm 100% right and it doesn't assist your argument.

I did answer it in my first line -- your assumption was wrong -- for a change

 

[Grendel]

I'm confused, so astute is saying they don't?

No he is saying they do. An Astute fact is a statement from Astute that is wrong. His posts contain many such facts.

 

[sky blue john]

All of us on here pay for the policing twice !!!
Once through our council tax and secondly through a portion of our ticket purchases !!!
I rest my case !!!

 

[Astute]

Wasnt it from the accounts too? I always thought we paid for the police ourselves.

Have you found anything to say we paid acl for policing? This quote from ACL says the club pay it.

So why didn't SISU say that ACL were wrong to say that the match day costs included policing costs? You know they would have if it was wrong. And about every national paper stated the same that the match day costs would have included police costs.

 

[Grendel]

So why didn't SISU say that ACL were wrong to say that the match day costs included policing costs? You know they would have if it was wrong. And about every national paper stated the same that the match day costs would have included police costs.

Why hasn't anyone said the Observer was wrong? Perhaps they will say they are wromg when the issue is raised in court?

 

[Astute]

No he is saying they do. An Astute fact is a statement from Astute that is wrong. His posts contain many such facts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ena-offered-to-coventry-rentfree-8653527.html

So how are you right?

 

[Nick]

So why didn't SISU say that ACL were wrong to say that the match day costs included policing costs? You know they would have if it was wrong. And about every national paper stated the same that the match day costs would have included police costs.

So if SISU said they were wrong then everybody would have believed them then?

Surely every national paper had the same press release?

The fact ACL have said themselves and it was raised at the time on here about why would ACL charge us for policing and stewards if the club pay them directly.

 

[Nick]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ena-offered-to-coventry-rentfree-8653527.html

So how are you right?

Because ACL said themselves that it isn't included? It is probably just the same press release at the time a bit confused

This ones says the same:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...entry-City-allowed-play-Ricoh-Arena-free.html

Maybe it is just that press release? I am pretty sure CCFC pay for policing.

 

[Astute]

Because ACL said themselves that it isn't included? It is probably just the same press release at the time a bit confused

This ones says the same:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...entry-City-allowed-play-Ricoh-Arena-free.html

Maybe it is just that press release? I am pretty sure CCFC pay for policing.

But it was a statement released by ACL. How can you say differently?

An ACL statement read: "To enable the football club to fulfil its commitments under Football League regulations, and to provide stability whilst Coventry City Football Club Limited, which owns the League Share, remains in administration, ACL has agreed to allow the club to play its homes games free of any rental fee, therefore removing any need for the supporters to travel outside the city to watch home games.
"All charges incurred on matchday as a consequence of staging a football match will be passed through at cost, for example, stewarding, policing, utilities, frost protection, matchday repairs to stadium, health safety and compliance management and certification, service charges for maintenance contracts eg flood lights, generators etc.
"The directors of ACL hope the supporters of Coventry City Football Club, the joint administrators and the Football League will view this as a positive and productive move and should assist in dispelling the uncertainty and upset of the past weeks."

 

[Nick]

They need to make up their mind then, don't they?

http://www.coventrycity-mad.co.uk/n...e_answers_over_ricoh_arena_820835/index.shtml

A5. Match-day costs include, contributions towards the groundsman ( previously employed by the club and now by ACL), the pitch treatments, the equipment to maintain the pitch, a contribution towards match-day utilities, hygiene, maintenance staff, waste disposal, statutory compliance, match-day stadium safety and control room management. The proposal excluded police, West Midlands Ambulance, St Johns Ambulance, medical personnel, ticketing staff, stewards as these remain an obligation of the football club, which has always been the case, and would be a requirement at any other venue. Costs for the remainder of 13/14 season would equate to £8,470 per match and for 14/15 and 15/16 seasons £12,316 per match.

Unless the Trust are lying too? Maybe ACL got mixed up?

To be fair, it is you saying it must be true because SISU haven't sued them... I have shown quotes from ACL saying the opposite also

 

[chiefdave]

Do all these quotes reference the same offer from ACL? If they don't that could explain the differences.

If not then it would be handy if PWKH, if he's lurking around here, could explain the discrepancy or Simon could seek clarification from ACL.

 

[Nick]

But if ACL are saying that CCFC have always paid for the policing, why would they suddenly start paying ACL for it with this free rent offer? Likewise if SISU suddenly expected ACL to pay this and not pass it on.