shmmeee
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I dunno. I enjoy magic shows.
Stadium Forum Meeting (2 Viewers)
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I dunno. I enjoy magic shows.
Hobo
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Yes these meetings would have more purpose if we actually had some land to build on?
This is obviously Otiums idea of moving the project forward. I note the meeting is near the Coventry boundary.
torchomatic
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torchomatic
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Sent you a PM.
If we're being serious (I can never tell on here) I'd be happy to go. Mostly to report back here and cos I'm a big project geek and enjoy this shit. Promise I won't get you barred for throwing my shoe at Fisher
I assume its a matter of you emailing back and giving me a name, they're not going to ID are they?
I got the email for the non-Superfans over Christmas, but AFAIK no date other than "late Jan" has been set.
Oh I'm sure it will be a mildly entertaining evening, so enjoy yourself. But I suspect like me and indeed most Sky Blue fans you don't seriously believe this project will ever get beyond Tim's crayon drawings.
shmmeee
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Sent you one back
shmmeee
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Honestly? I didn't think we'd end up at Northampton.
Nice idea! Could let DeMarco's know how impressed we are with their involvement!
Well Bristol City had a new site identified 7 years ago, a supportive Council, and even planning permission granted 3 years ago, and yet a new stadium is as far away as it was 7 years ago. In 7 years time how many fans would be left?
skybluefred
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Probably be somewhere like the Shetland Isles or Isle of Wight then.
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Astute
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Timothy is a simple tool.
shmmeee
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Um, is this a GCSE Maths question?
Do I think it's wise, good business sense for CCFC or conducive to a healthy future for the club? No.
Do I think Fisher and co give a shiny shite about any of that? No.
Do I think they'd do it just to prove a point? Probably.
simple_simon
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Was thinking of going along tomorrow night and see if the security is any good lol.
Will they have some Goons on the door checking to see if they recognise me as a Sixfields attendee? Am sure they must know everyone who goes in by name.
Seriously though, is anyone else thinking of trying to get in tomorrow, curious what genuine questions may be asked,
and also if Pinocchio Fisher will show up.?
Will they have some Goons on the door checking to see if they recognise me as a Sixfields attendee? Am sure they must know everyone who goes in by name.
Seriously though, is anyone else thinking of trying to get in tomorrow, curious what genuine questions may be asked,
and also if Pinocchio Fisher will show up.?
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Not interested
The Gentleman
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I live on Browns Lane so will nip over and try and get in
simple_simon
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May join you..
Brighton Sky Blue
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The council will fold by the time we actually have to think about building a new ground-yes the land can be bought, designers can be brought in, but bricks will only start to be laid when Sepalla runs out of patience or is convinced that the council have replaced the lost business. The e-mail sent to Torch said that opinions could be fed back to architects yet designs have already been released-the club is doing this off the back of a fag packet.
CCC cannot hold out for too long with no business and £14m standing unpaid by ACL. Joy has both time and gullible investors in abundance to see this out-the council don't.
CCC cannot hold out for too long with no business and £14m standing unpaid by ACL. Joy has both time and gullible investors in abundance to see this out-the council don't.
Rusty Trombone
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What makes you think the £14m is not being repaid?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Football was a substantial portion of ACL's income and the remaining businesses there will not come close toward meeting its debt repayments. Obviously as ACL is half council owned they will get more leeway but in the long run it plain isn't viable to sit there losing money in an empty ground.
Rusty Trombone
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Seems to be a lot of guessing in this reply. Substantial portion? Any figures to back this up? How much are the annual debt repayments that they won't come close to meeting? How much money are they losing?
Brighton Sky Blue
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I don't have ACL's accounts to hand but they are publicly available to give you the numbers you're after. All we know on the terms of the loan is that the interest rate is lower than that set by the Yorkshire Bank, and it doesn't take much deduction to work out that not having 10,000+ at the ground every other weekend will dent the company's finances considerably.
Rusty Trombone
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You're the one stating things, why do I need to do the research? The published accounts won't cover the time you're talking about, so I'm wondering whether its just pure guesswork.
Again, the phrase 'dent the company's finances considerably', it's just not based on anything is it? ACL are saying they are better off, shall we give them the benefit of any doubt knowing that they will publish accounts and will look pretty foolish if not, or just make baseless guesses?
Brighton Sky Blue
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The past accounts were filed up to mid-2012 so you can get a very good idea of how much the club was contributing to ACL's overall turnover. I don't have the time tonight to go trawling through accounts, but if you're so sure I'm wrong, go and have a look on Companies House. When have ACL come out and said their financial position is better since the club left?
Rusty Trombone
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I'm saying ACL are better off based on oldskyblue58's post below (only copied part of it).
but if you look at ACL accounts then breakeven is around 6m before any cost savings were made on loans etc. Since then the turnover increased to 12.4m , overheads wont have gone up much so only need to deduct variable costs from it say 50% that leaves profits at 3.2m pa
Also, based on the loan interest being lower, which you seem to concur with, they will be better off.
So, when you're ready please let me know why you state the loan is not being repaid, and what the losses are that you state are being made?
Captain Dart
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The football club business was approx. 10% of turnover. There are old threads on it.
For me the 2 big issues with any new stadium are location and capacity. We need to be able to grow the capacity to about 35000 from 20000. One reason we left Highfield road was because it was too small. Building a stadium with a maximum capacity that match HR would be a monumental mistake should we ever reach the premier league again
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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If you don't have time to look through accounts, how can you offer opinion? What's it based upon?
Their accounts have been audited, and in the process of doing so, the auditor (who, unlike you, did bother to scrutinise the financials) was happy with their forward business model as a viable business.
Again, on what basis do you disagree with the qualified, independent auditor?
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Snozz_is_god
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game set & match to MMM
I don't think that sort of stuff is up for discussion, other than receiving platitudes, If they have already designed the ground it can't be up for discussion, if they havn't (and I'm sure they havn't) then it still probably won't be. Our views on capacity are completely irrelevant to them, and surely the amount of parking is a buisness decision too, based on costs, income from the spaces and what else they want on the land.
If they really are building a stadium (and I don't belive it for a second) then the things they are asking about here imo is do you want a memorial garden, bricks in the wall?, statue? do you want ccfc spelt out on the seats? how can we make an area that is great for singers, cosmetic stuff, quality of life stuff, generally small stuff. Don't get me wrong though, if they really are building a stadium and it doesn't kill or terminally damage the football club then asking for input into these smaller decisions should be applauded (though after a rousing rendition of sisu out). But even if you do belive them I don't think you should get your hopes up about what they really want input in. it isn't the big stuff.
rondog1973
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...and it's all gone quiet over there.....
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shmmeee
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My point was more, where's the boundary cases where we can complain without it being shut down as out of the remit of the forum?
I don't believe it'll be built. I don't believe we have any say in anything more than a small sanitised "fans zone" concourse with a few pictures.
However that doesn't mean we should just ignore it. We tried that when they threatened to leave the Ricoh and they called everyone's bluff.
Tonight is another chance to chip away at some info. It may be nothing comes but the same could've been said about numerous meetings with fans and it's almost always been wrong.
I'd like to see something constructive those who are going can use rather than "don't bother" or "it should be in Cov".