skybluefred
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Somebody like the Port Vale owner who is a life long City fan, who has made his money and wants to invest in the Team
he grew up with and love's. Sorry but that's just ruled out sisu.
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Somebody like the Port Vale owner who is a life long City fan, who has made his money and wants to invest in the Team
he grew up with and love's. Sorry but that's just ruled out sisu.
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Nick
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Was he not the big city fan who was unaware of our troubles?
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Deleted member 5849
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As I've seen someone claiming to be him post here before, I'll link him to the article so he can have a right to reply
http://www.theguardian.com/football...e-united-journalist-alex-ferguson-mike-ashley
Nick
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As I've seen someone claiming to be him post here before, I'll link him to the article so he can have a right to reply
http://www.theguardian.com/football...e-united-journalist-alex-ferguson-mike-ashley
Yep it was him. He came on to advertise the port vale game.
TurkeyTrot
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Listening to the fans and answering the fans, have a vision which like I said is sustainable, so no big names if it means we're breaking the bank. We are where we are with SISU, if they want fans to support them in their efforts let's have some honesty, not throwing legal papers around like confetti, or threaten to. Offer to buy the Ricoh for what it's worth, be it freehold or leasehold, have a sustainable vision that the fans can buy into, manage the Ricoh to give them all the benefits to make it a going concern, get us back in the premiership and sell for a hefty profit, happy days, everyone's a winner. If not, cut your losses and leave with the shirt on your back.
TurkeyTrot
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Good luck with that ^^.
Why good luck?
Have you accepted that football is that rotten we can't, sorry, shouldn't expect honesty and integrity in our game.
Look at our first 4 divisions and see how many have either gone into admin or have had financial clauses levied against them. If football was any other business the government would have stepped in years ago to legislate against it.
Through it all it's the bloody fans that suffer!
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Reckon we're at the stage where this would be embraced by the majority?
After all, few complained when Westwood, Eastwood, gunnarson, Fox, Dann etc were signed. Few asked where the money were coming from, this was 'good business sense'.
Just wondering if we're at the stage where actions would be challenged whoever took over, or if we're still able to be easily got around with a vague platitude about being debt free, how the fans martter, or how councillors would be sneaking back in disguise to watch the team as the football was so good.
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"Have you accepted that football is that rotten we can't, sorry, shouldn't expect honesty and integrity in our game.
Look at our first 4 divisions and see how many have either gone into admin or have had financial clauses levied against them. If football was any other business the government would have stepped in years ago to legislate against it.
Through it all it's the bloody fans that suffer!"
Again you're right (Edit: In my opinion ). Needs a spot of solidarity between us and other clubs' fans, other clubs' fans and us however.
And it's oh so easy to break that solidarity with a quick wave of a bouncy cheque.
Needs a cultural shift in us as well as the governing bodies, a cultural change where 'lack of success' is tolerated as the pay-off for football coming back to being as much about identity and belongiong as the results.
Look at our first 4 divisions and see how many have either gone into admin or have had financial clauses levied against them. If football was any other business the government would have stepped in years ago to legislate against it.
Through it all it's the bloody fans that suffer!"
Again you're right (Edit: In my opinion
). Needs a spot of solidarity between us and other clubs' fans, other clubs' fans and us however.And it's oh so easy to break that solidarity with a quick wave of a bouncy cheque.
Needs a cultural shift in us as well as the governing bodies, a cultural change where 'lack of success' is tolerated as the pay-off for football coming back to being as much about identity and belongiong as the results.
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stupot07
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Which is why I said good luck with that. Good owners are few and far between, as as Brighton pointed out earlier in the thread fans don't care when you're buying players, being successful, but when you stop doing that fans moan.
I agree with what you said earlier, I want a sustainable football club, I don't want a sugar daddy owner and if we ever get through this current crap we're in, I never want for us to be out at risk of this happening to us again.
TurkeyTrot
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shmmeee
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The thing is any decision, even to move the club 35 miles, can be accepted by enough fans if explained properly and done in the interests of the club.
The problem with Sisu has often been not so much the strategy, but their ability to communicate it. Unfortunately as any two bit leadership trainer will tell you, it's no good having vision if you can't communicate it to stakeholders.
We are obviously seen by Fisher, Seppala, et al as a bunch of idiots and that gets peoples backs up as much as anything.
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Whilst the last sentence may indeed be true, the initial strategy was indeed embraced, but that as much was embraced because the strategy (spunk a bit of cash, hope for a promotion and with it the ability to run cackling into the night) wasn't conveyed to the fans!
Astute
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So wasting money on players not good enough is the same as moving our club to Northampton?
To me it wasn't just moving our club that got me. It was the lies that came with it. And to top it all off Timothy made some silly comments. This has made it hard for them to be trusted.
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Who said that?
dongonzalos
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Dave Whelan
dongonzalos
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Ideally I would like ones who believe a successful football team at whatever level you are at is the only way to achieve commercial success.
Also ones who when they tell us something whether we like it or not that's pretty much what happens
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Shame he didn't love Orrell.
dongonzalos
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How do you get a successful team in the first place? And please don't suggest spending money they haven't got on players they can't afford...
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At our level under Otium, it would be a combination of investing in the youth, which they are doing. Also yes you do need to bit of speculation. Not millions. However a good scouting network and picking up good young talent with potential. With a view to selling them on in the future for the right price. The money Otium are prepared to lose by having us at Sixfields would by far achieve that.
Once in the championship.
If you are fortunate to achieve a promotion at some point via this method, then it would have to be a West Brom scenario of yo yoing for a few years. Until you are strong enough to stand on your own two feet.
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jesus-wept
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That is spot on dongo, I think Joy Sepalla despite everything concerning the Sixfields fiasco has realised once she took an interest, that maybe those who were in charge before Fisher, that's Omre Igwe, Tango man Dulieu, perhaps the ceo before Fisher were perhaps shall we be diplomatic and say not the right people. You have to question the transfers of Turner and Gunnarson to Cardiff (a Ranson connection) for way below market value. Might be interesting what the Appleton investigation into past goings on throw up.
Go further back, Keane, Hadji, Macca......
stupot07
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We didn't sell gunnarsson, he ran down his contract and left on a Bosman.
Personally I wouldn't have sold turner, but we already had wood, cranie, keogh and mcpake as cover in that position. Hindsight is a wonderful thing...
Nonleagueherewecome
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lewys33
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I do find it comical how some on here claim to be "against both sides" yet do nothing but attack ACL.
I have made several comments about how I feel ACL have done things wrong, yet it gets ignored by these folk because they can't argue with it.
CCC should not have anything to do with the club. Yes correct. So why the obsession with them?
All this thread was about was asking if there was a potential to offer Otium a rent deal at the Ricoh whilst they build their new stadium if Ricoh talks collapse. It is no good saying "ACL were offered a 3 year run-off and it was rejected" because that was before we are in the position we are in now. As much as I feel that ACL do not have anything to do with the club whilst they play their games in Northampton (so therefore should not be doing the chasing), I do feel that the majority of fans think that ACL should take it upon themselves to "match" the offer at Northampton or better it (e.g. make the £150,000 rent deal again). If this is rejected. Who can defend Otium?
I have made several comments about how I feel ACL have done things wrong, yet it gets ignored by these folk because they can't argue with it.
CCC should not have anything to do with the club. Yes correct. So why the obsession with them?
All this thread was about was asking if there was a potential to offer Otium a rent deal at the Ricoh whilst they build their new stadium if Ricoh talks collapse. It is no good saying "ACL were offered a 3 year run-off and it was rejected" because that was before we are in the position we are in now. As much as I feel that ACL do not have anything to do with the club whilst they play their games in Northampton (so therefore should not be doing the chasing), I do feel that the majority of fans think that ACL should take it upon themselves to "match" the offer at Northampton or better it (e.g. make the £150,000 rent deal again). If this is rejected. Who can defend Otium?
lordsummerisle
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I've "attacked" Sisu since before they took over, and though it took a few years to sink in with some people, don't think that there can possibly be one person who believed that Sisu have ever been a good thing for the club.
That argument is over.
Other factors though are still wilfully ignored(generally by the same people who wilfully ignored arguments against Sisu). It always has to be "Heroes" and "Villains" for some people, when it could be the case that it could be Villains and Villains or even some parties being both.
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lewys33
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I didnt particularly aim that at you, but yes I think everyone is to blame, SISU, ACL and especially the FL which do not get as much grief as the others. Does a saying such as "better the devil you know" suit? I don't know. As far as I am concerned now it is unacceptable to be playing in Northampton but Otium are not going anywhere fast.
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The football league is an interesting one in my eyes.
Yes, they've let themselves be pushed into a position where they were in effect being told what to do rather than doing the telling. Not sure they should intervene in rent disputes, but they do seem to have allowed things with no more than verbal assurances.
On the other hand, from their POV, if they'd said to us 'OK then, you have no club anymore so sorry, but no league place' I guess their fear is it starts a house of cards with club after club failing once the floodgates are opened.
So from their POV I doubt they're happy about it all(!) but with the club getting to this stage, did they actually have any alternative options open to them?
Yes, they've let themselves be pushed into a position where they were in effect being told what to do rather than doing the telling. Not sure they should intervene in rent disputes, but they do seem to have allowed things with no more than verbal assurances.
On the other hand, from their POV, if they'd said to us 'OK then, you have no club anymore so sorry, but no league place' I guess their fear is it starts a house of cards with club after club failing once the floodgates are opened.
So from their POV I doubt they're happy about it all(!) but with the club getting to this stage, did they actually have any alternative options open to them?
lewys33
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I don't think they did have any alternative in the end really. Unless they set a precident by saying no that is it you are out of the football league, but then SISU would have used litigation etc etc. Could have got very messy.
I think they did wrong by allowing players to be registered in Holdings. If they had done their job properly would things have been different? Who knows ......