kcic-nopm campaign: Six Reasons not to go to sixfields (11 Viewers)

[robbieray]

Whats Sheeple ?

 

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[stupot07]

Lots of interesting comments. Point 2 was wrong so I have revised it as below so it is hopefully more accurate. I was hoping for some responses to point 6 (If people want CCFC to return to Coventry but go inside sixfields, what is the suggested strategy instead of not one penny more and boycotting Northampton?) but I haven’t spotted any so far so I would be very grateful for some!

2. A short-term move could be justified if a new ground in Coventry was guaranteed but no new site has been purchased, no planning application has been submitted, never mind negotiating the way through the complexities of the planning process and then building a stadium. The chairman of the Football League has admitted he has no idea if we will ever return to Coventry. There is not one scrap of evidence that the move to Northampton is temporary, that a new ground will be built nor that we will ever return to our home City.

Not true, the fact that agreement for for only 3 seasons (plus additional 2 if needed) and the fact the FL only agreed a temporary move, is some evidence that the move to Northampton is temporary. There's 2 scraps of evidence for you

 

[robbieray]

Lol just found out ...from a load of people i never met before

 

[Tonylinc]

Someone who follows like sheep? I'm also at a loss there!

 

[Tonylinc]

Not true, the fact that agreement for for only 3 seasons (plus additional 2 if needed) and the fact the FL only agreed a temporary move, is some evidence that the move to Northampton is temporary. There's 2 scraps of evidence for you

So, you also believe that this stadium of Shitzu is going to e built?.........I give in.

 

[stupot07]

So, you also believe that this stadium of Shitzu is going to e built?.........I give in.

No, I'm on not convinced they will built it, but I'm certain that our move to Northampton won't be permanent.

 

[shmmeee]

No, I'm on not convinced they will built it, but I'm certain that our move to Northampton won't be permanent.

To be fair, there's a case that says a team with tacit approval to move cities is worth more when selling up than one thats fixed. Of course remove CCFC and Coventry is probably the best place to put one, but still. I don't think they've got a plan beyond move out. They're a little bit like when you decide to run away when you're 6. You pack an orange and plan to live in Canley Ford off the berries until your mean parents realise how much they miss you.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So, you also believe that this stadium of Shitzu is going to e built?.........I give in.

The two possibilities can be mutually exclusive.

 

[Tonylinc]

To be fair, there's a case that says a team with tacit approval to move cities is worth more when selling up than one thats fixed. Of course remove CCFC and Coventry is probably the best place to put one, but still. I don't think they've got a plan beyond move out. They're a little bit like when you decide to run away when you're 6. You pack an orange and plan to live in Canley Ford off the berries until your mean parents realise how much they miss you.

Ah, Canley Ford I remember it fondly. The Milk Bar and all that.

 

[Tonylinc]

The two possibilities can be mutually exclusive.

What the hell does that mean? Look, this is serious stuff. We are in very grave danger here of loosing our football club to a franchise operation and all that some posters can do is argue the semantics. If Shitzu find that more money is to e made by keeping the club in Northampton they will do it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What the hell does that mean? Look, this is serious stuff. We are in very grave danger here of loosing our football club to a franchise operation and all that some posters can do is argue the semantics. If Shitzu find that more money is to e made by keeping the club in Northampton they will do it.

I'm not arguing the semantics, the two possibilities can be mutually exclusive.

More money can not be made in Northampton than Coventry, the argument is nonsensical and utterly utterly illogical.

 

[Grappa]

What the hell does that mean? Look, this is serious stuff. We are in very grave danger here of loosing our football club to a franchise operation and all that some posters can do is argue the semantics. If Shitzu find that more money is to e made by keeping the club in Northampton they will do it.

You are obviously a very well educated chap using words like 'semantics'. Do you think Shitzu will build a new ground or not?

 

[torchomatic]

So why are fans not boycotting away games too then?

1. It's not our team when playing at Northampton

 

[Tonylinc]

I'm not arguing the semantics, the two possibilities can be mutually exclusive.

More money can not be made in Northampton than Coventry, the argument is nonsensical and utterly utterly illogical.

When I say that more money can be made from keeping the club in Northampton, I don't mean permanently, I mean for sale reasons. If Shitzu can create a franchise club in Northampton with good gates then they will be better placed to conclude a sale.

 

[Tonylinc]

You are obviously a very well educated chap using words like 'semantics'. Do you think Shitzu will build a new ground or not?

Absolutely Not. Why would they throw good money after bad?

 

[Tonylinc]

When I say that more money can be made from keeping the club in Northampton, I don't mean permanently, I mean for sale reasons. If Shitzu can create a franchise club in Northampton with good gates then they will be better placed to conclude a sale.

Advert in Daltons (or whatever publication deals with this sort of sale) "Franchise football for sale, good attendance figures able to relocate to wherever the purchaser wishes £60mill."

 

[Deleted member 5849]

OK, my comments in bold (considered caps, but who wants to read shouting )

For a long time I hated the way the acl-sisu spin machines divided City supporters but the move to Northampton has taken things to a new low with name calling and abuse. Fans will always have disagreements, but the move to Northampton is tearing CCFC apart so we have to talk about this, hopefully in a rational and reasonable way. Here are my six reasons for not going to sixfields for the Preston game on 25 August and I will be really interested to read responses.

1. The cold, hard reality is that every City fan inside sixfields helps the justification of the move to Northampton - individual reasons for going don't affect the big picture.

No it doesn't. Going to Northampton doesn't automatically condone the club playing in Northampton. Even at full capacity, , that's 13,347 below McGinnity's break-even figure. Even at full capacity, it's 3,256 below Coventry's average league attendance last season. It could be argued in fact that the more that go to Sixfields, the more they demonstrate the potential for a new owner. Add in those who refuse to go, those who go to only away games, and those who go to charity games and you see a message of people desperate to watch Coventry City... so think about how many could be seen in Coventry! Moreover, those figures show how no matter how many or few go to Sixfields, the club cannot possibly hope to break even. I appreciate the desire not to go as a boycott, a form of protest, but as the march through the city showed, protest can be enabled even if going to Sixfields (did anybody follow up edgy's requests for KCiC banners btw?)

2. The move to Northampton is not temporary: if sisu wanted a new ground, land would already have been bought and a planning application submitted – talk of a ‘new’ ground is a smokescreen.

The move to Northampton is temporary. Whether a ground happens or not, it's temporary. The club will either return to Coventry or die, there is no incentive to remain in Northampton. Plus the contract itself is temporary, this is not a fixed move.

3. Support the team not sisu! We can go to away games or even watch from Jimmy's Hill (although my preferred option for Sunday is...

You can indeed. Away games only is a fine visual protest IMHO for those who don't want to go to Northampton. less convinced about Jimmy's Hill (hate the name, why are we claiming pieces of Northampton when the idea is we want nothing of Northampton?) as it runs the risk of showing the negativity seen on boards spill out into real life. Visual bodies of people can be done elsewhere with the same result.

4. On 25 August we can support a CCFC team at the Ricoh - Coventry City Ladies (tickets are £5, or £3 for concessions).

You can indeed. The message of split crowds across the Ricoh and Northampton... just look at how many you could have if everybody could have their first choice of watching the men's team in Coventry! And think about the crowd if you add those who don't fancy either game! What better message to send out to potential buyers that it's worth making the effort, than showing a united fan base that even if split by necessity geographically, has the same being, the same feeling, the same sense of self and identity as a fan of Coventry City.

5. Let’s think about the next generation of City fans – not going to sixfields is short-term pain for the long-term gain of getting CCFC back to Coventry.

Disagree, for above and below reasons.

6. If people want CCFC to return to Coventry but go inside sixfields, what is the suggested strategy instead of not one penny more and boycotting Northampton?

Join up the disparate groups. At the moment there's a desire to other various groups, box people into easy categories. All this does, is work that any owner can't do and divide fans, split them, stop one unified message. Just because fans are in Northampton, there can be an effort to work with them to allow visual markers that they are there under duress, and this is not our home. Unite fans across various geographical sites with a set series of songs sung at a set time, a set series of chants, and for that matter whenever a game has to be played on a Sunday because of the move, either a gathering in Coventry, or picking a club arbitrarily to visit and watch the game. The problem with a protest such as NOPM is it's slightly passive, it doesn't generate a noise. Who, after all, bemoans Accrington with low gates? It just becomes the norm. So, notwithstanding peoples' desires, there's a need to make some noise. The best times for that are the Saturdays when games should be, if they've been moved to Sunday because of the ground share. All fans can come together, remind ourselves of who we are and what we are. Alas, the time to march on the football league has passed, we're now into the season, but mass, unified gatherings are the best way of demonstrating unhappiness with the situation. What certainly shouldn't be done is split bodies of fans into distinct groups, because that becomes harder to bring us all together whenever this ends. Instead, the opportunity should be there to allow people to join in a message that Northampton is not the home of Coventry City, Coventry is. Protest as a positive active event reminds us of our identity, and our desire to keep our identity far more than a passive 'not going', for when does the not going out of principle turn into a not going because can't really be bothered? It's a protest that risks disengagement.

Oh and sometimes less is more, stop the small poorly attended protests, focus on a smaller number of well organised protests such as the march in Coventry, they have a far better impact and the smaller protests detract from them, and stop them being newsworthy.

 

[Grappa]

Absolutely Not. Why would they throw good money after bad?

Are you certain? Rome wasn't built in a day as we all know but maybe they managed to do the important stuff like sewers and basic infrastructure like bus-chariots and stuff in 5 years? 5 years is quite a long time.

 

[cloughie]

Is it 100% that it is permanent and not temporary or opinion before telling people it isn't?

So if you are going to travel and watch from the hill (and not give SISU money) then why not take SISU up on the free ticket offer and go in? Is there much difference?

You do realise that Coventry City ladies usually play their games in Bedworth, not Coventry?

And in your unbiased opinion is it 100% sure they are coming back to the Coventry 'area' and are they going to really build a new stadium or is THAT JUST SOMEONE TELLING YOU

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The only people who can do anything about getting the club playing in Coventry are our council

 

[Tonylinc]

The only people who can do anything about getting the club playing in Coventry are our council

What have the council to do with it? Sorry, Shitzu will never allow CCFC to play in Coventry again. Get over it.....Our club has gone for ever.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What have the council to do with it? Sorry, Shitzu will never allow CCFC to play in Coventry again. Get over it.....Our club has gone for ever.

The council own half the Ricoh and the other half is owned by Alan Higgs charity. Acl are a management company acting on behalf of both of them. CCc hold all the cards. They have to do a deal with CCfc and ensure that it is clear and transparent. Do we want CCfc in Coventry? How much?

 

[Tonylinc]

What sort of deal do you think can be offered to Shitzu which would be acceptable?

 

[Grendel]

What have the council to do with it? Sorry, Shitzu will never allow CCFC to play in Coventry again. Get over it.....Our club has gone for ever.

Assume then you are equally as pissed at the away followers? After all they are still following Northampton cobblers sisu utd especially as you know that the club are never returning.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What sort of deal do you think can be offered to Shitzu which would be acceptable?

I have no idea. Alan Higgs share-8m, CCc share free but lump sum of 30m paid into escrow account or something similar as collateral for breaking of agreement to play at Ricoh.

Deal must be possible

 

[covmark]

What sort of deal do you think can be offered to Shitzu which would be acceptable?

why do you insist on using the word 'shitzu'. To be honest its cringeworthy and demeans your arguement. Oh and it makes you come across as an immature tool

 

[No future with SISU]

Yeah, it should really be NOPM to both Sisu and ACL if you're equally disgusted with both spin machines. Starve both of them = more chance of renogotiation. Starve one and you are favouring the other and putting them in a stronger position. Sadly, this lack of even-handedness is what I've come to expect of the Trust.

What have ACL done wrong, all i see on GMK and also some on this site is people who live off the goverment on state hand outs. Go get a mortgage borrow £100,000 pay back £600 per month, a year £7,200. one million is £72,000 per year, £10 million is £720,000 per year, £20,million is £1,440,000. can sisu build a new ground for less than £20 million, i do not think they can. ACL rent of £400,000 per year for a property worth £57 million is so cheap.The problem with people is they do not want to pay the going rate, all they want is hand outs from the Goverment, especially foreign firms.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What have ACL done wrong, all i see on GMK and also some on this site is people who live off the goverment on state hand outs. Go get a mortgage borrow £100,000 pay back £600 per month, a year £7,200. one million is £72,000 per year, £10 million is £720,000 per year, £20,million is £1,440,000. can sisu build a new ground for less than £20 million, i do not think they can. ACL rent of £400,000 per year for a property worth £57 million is so cheap.The problem with people is they do not want to pay the going rate, all they want is hand outs from the Goverment, especially foreign firms.

I understand what you are saying but that means CCfc play in Northampton. How much do CCc want a professional football team in Coventry?

I really think we need to write to our councillors to urge them to do all they can

 

[Grappa]

What have ACL done wrong, all i see on GMK and also some on this site is people who live off the goverment on state hand outs. Go get a mortgage borrow £100,000 pay back £600 per month, a year £7,200. one million is £72,000 per year, £10 million is £720,000 per year, £20,million is £1,440,000. can sisu build a new ground for less than £20 million, i do not think they can. ACL rent of £400,000 per year for a property worth £57 million is so cheap.The problem with people is they do not want to pay the going rate, all they want is hand outs from the Goverment, especially foreign firms.

Not sure if I read that right but you seem to be saying everyone who believes that the two groups who need to be talking to each other should have equal pressure put on them to encourage them to talk, are on the dole and most likely foreign, is that correct?

 

[fernandopartridge]

What have ACL done wrong, all i see on GMK and also some on this site is people who live off the goverment on state hand outs. Go get a mortgage borrow £100,000 pay back £600 per month, a year £7,200. one million is £72,000 per year, £10 million is £720,000 per year, £20,million is £1,440,000. can sisu build a new ground for less than £20 million, i do not think they can. ACL rent of £400,000 per year for a property worth £57 million is so cheap.The problem with people is they do not want to pay the going rate, all they want is hand outs from the Goverment, especially foreign firms.

You do realise that ACL are the beneficiary of a 'government handout' in the form of a cheap loan from the local authority most recently + £20m from Central Government and the EU to provide them with a stadium to manage in the first place.

 

[Tonylinc]

Assume then you are equally as pissed at the away followers? After all they are still following Northampton cobblers sisu utd especially as you know that the club are never returning.

On the contrary, I completely agree with following our club at away games. I have no argument with that.

 

[stupot07]

What have ACL done wrong, all i see on GMK and also some on this site is people who live off the goverment on state hand outs. Go get a mortgage borrow £100,000 pay back £600 per month, a year £7,200. one million is £72,000 per year, £10 million is £720,000 per year, £20,million is £1,440,000. can sisu build a new ground for less than £20 million, i do not think they can. ACL rent of £400,000 per year for a property worth £57 million is so cheap.The problem with people is they do not want to pay the going rate, all they want is hand outs from the Goverment, especially foreign firms.

That's all well and good if they rented the bowl 365 days per year, but they don't. All they get for the rent is 23 days use (plus a couple of cup games).

 

[Tonylinc]

why do you insist on using the word 'shitzu'. To be honest its cringeworthy and demeans your arguement. Oh and it makes you come across as an immature tool

Please learn how to spell correctly before insulting me.

 

[No future with SISU]

You do realise that ACL are the beneficiary of a 'government handout' in the form of a cheap loan from the local authority most recently + £20m from Central Government and the EU to provide them with a stadium to manage in the first place.

Where do you think the £21 million loan ACL borrowed from the bank went. The council have got it. ACL paid off £7 million in 6 years so as the accountant at ccfc said they have done well. SISU in 5 years £70 million debt. Which is the best company

 

[No future with SISU]

That's all well and good if they rented the bowl 365 days per year, but they don't. All they get for the rent is 23 days use (plus a couple of cup games).

If they built their own stadium are they going to use it more than 23 days a year. Are they going to invest in the team in 3/5 years time and win the FA CUP so we will have more games at their new ground,also win the league cup for more games at new ground, win the premiership and into europe for more games at the new ground. Well they could do this at the ricoh for £400,000 which is cheap rent.