Daylight offside (9 Viewers)

[Calista]

This doesn't affect the VAR debate, as it only moves the position of the demarcation line. But it clearly gives much more leeway to the attacking side.

And it might reduce controversy because if the attacker's whole body (rather than just a big toe) is beyond the defender you can't argue that there was no advantage.

Video: First 'daylight offside' goal scored in Canadian Premier League

Pacific FC forward Alejandro Diaz scores against Halifax Wanderers in the Canadian Premier League, the first instance of a "daylight offside" situation resulting in a goal.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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[skybluecam]

Surely this will push defensive lines back as attackers get a significant headstart on defenders. Can't see how it would be good for the game.

 

[shepardo01]

Will be very very difficult to get right as a lino/assistant referee....
Leg movement when running is obviously ever changing so to judge that on when the ball is played will be a nightmare!!

 

[SkyblueTexan]

This daylight rule is going to create so many issues if it becomes the norm. Forget the high line. Obviously for attackers who routinely get caught offside this may be a good thing.

 

[Calista]

To be clear I wasn't necessarily arguing in favour of this, merely posting the BBC story.

 

[Calista]

A surprising number of professional players (including at least one in our current lineup) only appear to be dimly aware that the offside rule even exists, so any advantage to them would be purely accidental!

 

[CovveeBreak]

Yeah but we'd have had an FA cup final though

 

[Alkhen]

This doesn't affect the VAR debate, as it only moves the position of the demarcation line. But it clearly gives much more leeway to the attacking side.

And it might reduce controversy because if the attacker's whole body (rather than just a big toe) is beyond the defender you can't argue that there was no advantage.

Video: First 'daylight offside' goal scored in Canadian Premier League

Pacific FC forward Alejandro Diaz scores against Halifax Wanderers in the Canadian Premier League, the first instance of a "daylight offside" situation resulting in a goal.

www.bbc.co.uk

I want to see in action properly first.

Seems like a decent idea to me. I go to football to see action and drama, goals are a big part of that so I don't actually mind it weighted in the attackers favor. The current system of forensically looking for big toe or slight lean so they can chalk off a goal seems so wrong.

Yes there would be marginal calls but as you say the shift to daylight would atleast means the attacker has definitely gained some clear advantage by the point they become offside.

The proof would be testing it to see if the game breaks because coaches shift to deeper lines and clog up the flow of the game. but we won't see that fully until it's trialed at a higher level with VAR assistance.

 

[ClarkeZ]

I just think they need to widen the margin for error and admit that one exists.
They have to pick a frame from the camera footage where the ball is kicked, which absolutely has a margin for error, then try to pick millimetre perfect lines on 2 moving bodies.

- Make the lines 1-2 inches wide each.
- Put them on independently without the other being visible.
- Overlay the images and if the lines are touching its onside. Or maybe stay with on-field decision to make the lino's feel more involved.

 

[Shannerz]

Haven't they tried this before, years ago (or was it just mooted)?

Tbh, the issue isn't the law, which is fine, it's how VAR is utilised to enforce it, with the vastly overly pedantic enforcement currently in practice. As the OP says, this won't solve that, just put the lines in a different place.

If VAR must be used, my solution would be, is it obvious? I.e., can you tell with the naked eye on a freeze if the officials have called it wrong? If not, officials' decision stands. No need for lines or changes to the law, just better application of technology required.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Surely this will push defensive lines back as attackers get a significant headstart on defenders. Can't see how it would be good for the game.

Unintended consequences

 

[CovveeBreak]

Haven't they tried this before, years ago (or was it just mooted)?

Tbh, the issue isn't the law, which is fine, it's how VAR is utilised to enforce it, with the vastly overly pedantic enforcement currently in practice. As the OP says, this won't solve that, just put the lines in a different place.

If VAR must be used, my solution would be, is it obvious? I.e., can you tell with the naked eye on a freeze if the officials have called it wrong? If not, officials' decision stands. No need for lines or changes to the law, just better application of technology required.

100% this.

So much of the rules are still arguably subjective, so I'd just want to see the ruling shift to allow refs to decide whether a clear and obvious advantage was available. For example the Haji Wright offside in FA Cup semi - yes offside by the book but like fuck that gave him any advantage whatsoever for the lead up to the goal. So a ref should be able to view it and decide whether it was an advantage or not.

 

[CovInEssex]

Surely this will push defensive lines back as attackers get a significant headstart on defenders. Can't see how it would be good for the game.

more goals?

 

[CCFCSteve]

I just think they need to widen the margin for error and admit that one exists.
They have to pick a frame from the camera footage where the ball is kicked, which absolutely has a margin for error, then try to pick millimetre perfect lines on 2 moving bodies.

- Make the lines 1-2 inches wide each.
- Put them on independently without the other being visible.
- Overlay the images and if the lines are touching its onside. Or maybe stay with on-field decision to make the lino's feel more involved.

Was going to say something similar about increase VAR margin of error for offsides with thicker lines to give attackers a bit of benefit of the doubt

No VAR decision should take more than 30 seconds (max) as it wouldn’t be clear and obvious error if it does

 

[shmmeee]

more goals?

Surely lower defensive lines means fewer goals?

 

[CovInEssex]

Surely lower defensive lines means fewer goals?

So why do defences play so high up the pitch?

If attackers are given an advantage, the outcome is more goals

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

This doesn't affect the VAR debate, as it only moves the position of the demarcation line. But it clearly gives much more leeway to the attacking side.

And it might reduce controversy because if the attacker's whole body (rather than just a big toe) is beyond the defender you can't argue that there was no advantage.

Video: First 'daylight offside' goal scored in Canadian Premier League

Pacific FC forward Alejandro Diaz scores against Halifax Wanderers in the Canadian Premier League, the first instance of a "daylight offside" situation resulting in a goal.

www.bbc.co.uk

You’re still going to get line calls, it’s just the line calls will be harder to assess and the natural tendency will be for attackers to goal hang and defenders to drop deeper.

It’s a horrendous policy and a reputation shredding one for Wenger I suspect.

 

[shmmeee]

So why do defences play so high up the pitch?

If attackers are given an advantage, the outcome is more goals

Yeah assuming the defenders don’t change to nullify that advantage.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Surely this will push defensive lines back as attackers get a significant headstart on defenders. Can't see how it would be good for the game.

I know it's state in the bleeding obvious, any player can be offside from the halfway line to the goal line.

As for defensive Lines being pushed back you can't get any more push back than defenders standing in their own penalty area to take GoalKicks.

 

[Essexrobbie]

So is this retroactive. Can we claim a victory, if not just morally over man Utd? Should help Wright cut down on his offsides by a few dozen anyway.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

So why do defences play so high up the pitch?

If attackers are given an advantage, the outcome is more goals

Yeah isn't that why people pay money to see their team score goals, not for it to be ruled out by a toenail.

 

[skybluecam]

So why do defences play so high up the pitch?

If attackers are given an advantage, the outcome is more goals

Because under the current rules you can play an offside trap. This change would make that much harder/impossible.

 

[Hobo]

I like the idea of, if any part of the attackers body is on side,he is onside. Which reverses the current situation. It also gets back to the original spirit of the law which was to prevent blatant goal hanging.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

This doesn't affect the VAR debate, as it only moves the position of the demarcation line. But it clearly gives much more leeway to the attacking side.

And it might reduce controversy because if the attacker's whole body (rather than just a big toe) is beyond the defender you can't argue that there was no advantage.

Video: First 'daylight offside' goal scored in Canadian Premier League

Pacific FC forward Alejandro Diaz scores against Halifax Wanderers in the Canadian Premier League, the first instance of a "daylight offside" situation resulting in a goal.

www.bbc.co.uk

As long as part of this change involves VAR not checking as forensically so decisions are made quicker then fine.

What I expect will happen it that it'll still be measuring a gnat's bollock, just where the gnat's bollock has to be will change.

 

[Liquid Gold]

It's a shite rule, bring back level

 

[Johhny Blue]

I thought “Daylight Offside” meant that there was no offside in night games.
If that’s the case let’s get Hadji’s contract extended.

 

[robbiekeane]

Haven't they tried this before, years ago (or was it just mooted)?

Tbh, the issue isn't the law, which is fine, it's how VAR is utilised to enforce it, with the vastly overly pedantic enforcement currently in practice. As the OP says, this won't solve that, just put the lines in a different place.

If VAR must be used, my solution would be, is it obvious? I.e., can you tell with the naked eye on a freeze if the officials have called it wrong? If not, officials' decision stands. No need for lines or changes to the law, just better application of technology required.

exactly. not sure why it’s so hard for them to just use common sense

 

[robbiekeane]

I like the idea of, if any part of the attackers body is on side,he is onside.

isn’t this the same as daylight offside?

 

[Dougin]

Just base it where the feet are, put a sensor in each players boot job done.

 

[TomRad85]

Haven't they tried this before, years ago (or was it just mooted)?

Tbh, the issue isn't the law, which is fine, it's how VAR is utilised to enforce it, with the vastly overly pedantic enforcement currently in practice. As the OP says, this won't solve that, just put the lines in a different place.

If VAR must be used, my solution would be, is it obvious? I.e., can you tell with the naked eye on a freeze if the officials have called it wrong? If not, officials' decision stands. No need for lines or changes to the law, just better application of technology required.

This is too sensible though. What they really need to do is keep messing with the most popular sport in the world until it becomes borderline unwatchable.

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

Wright and Mason Clark must have thought the new rules were bought in this season.

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

It's ridiculous and won't solve any arguments as all it does is move the lines. I don't agree with Dougin very often, but I do on this. Given the game is called football just draw the line by the boots and not some other random body part. Also if VAR can't decide within 30 seconds just go with the on field decision.

 

[Calista]

Just base it where the feet are, put a sensor in each players boot job done.

They've already got sensors in those bras they wear. Why not base it off that for almost instant decisions? OK the torso isn't the most relevant part of a player's body, but it would be fast, consistent and the same for everyone.

 

[Johhny Blue]

It's ridiculous and won't solve any arguments as all it does is move the lines. I don't agree with Dougin very often, but I do on this. Given the game is called football just draw the line by the boots and not some other random body part. Also if VAR can't decide within 30 seconds just go with the on field decision.

Baseball has a good system. Each team is allowed two incorrect challenges each game. Correct challenges are not included. When the two are used that’s it.

 

[Captain Dart]

Because under the current rules you can play an offside trap. This change would make that much harder/impossible.

Gonna say we will probably need faster defenders.