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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I am by no means defending Johnson and Hancock but they will just argue that they had to balance the other consequences of a stronger intervention. Although Britain's economic performance has lagged behind a lot of Europe anyway.

Johnson who said ‘let the bodies pile high’?

 

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[Captain Dart]

History may not look that favourably on them but equally I think there will be bewilderment about the whole lockdown strategy

The whole episode was tyrannical combined with medical experimentation on the populus.

 

[Grendel]

The whole episode was tyrannical combined with medical experimentation on the populus.
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I fully supported vaccinations that’s not my issue but I worked all through Covid as did all my employees as normal. The draconian measures must never happen again

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

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No words.

It is one of the worst things I have read in a while.

Girl gets put in care. Gang raped, likely by migrants who were in the same shared accommodation. Mental health services basically abandon her. She tries to kill herself. Becomes paralysed. Still don't help her, but then they offer to euthanise her instead and sell her organs for millions.

It is an absolute disgrace. That BBC headline can get to fuck as well.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The whole episode was tyrannical combined with medical experimentation on the populus.
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More conspiracist crank nonsense.

 

[PVA]

It is one of the worst things I have read in a while.

Girl gets put in care. Gang raped, likely by migrants who were in the same shared accommodation. Mental health services basically abandon her. She tries to kill herself. Becomes paralysed. Still don't help her, but then they offer to euthanise her instead and sell her organs for millions.

It is an absolute disgrace. That BBC headline can get to fuck as well.

The whole thing is tragic beyond words.

But there is no evidence of her being gang raped my migrants.

The right seem to have made it up and are using the tragedy to further their agenda. Pretty sick.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The whole thing is tragic beyond words.

But there is no evidence of her being gang raped my migrants.

The right seem to have made it up and are using the tragedy to further their agenda. Pretty sick.

This whole post is very low from you and you should probably consider deleting it. I will just leave it at that.

 

[PVA]

This whole post is very low from you and you should probably consider deleting it. I will just leave it at that.

What the fuck, you're the one pushing a conspiracy theory with zero evidence to push your agenda against immigrants.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The whole episode was tyrannical combined with medical experimentation on the populus.
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There is no definitive evidence it was caused by the vaccine, she has suffered with anaphylaxis but unclear whether it was to something in the vaccine or not. The woman says she "sometimes" needs to use a wheelchair, so the headline is highly misleading. Here she is stood up:

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There is no definitive evidence it was caused by the vaccine, she has suffered with anaphylaxis but unclear whether it was to something in the vaccine or not. The woman says she "sometimes" needs to use a wheelchair, so the headline is highly misleading. Here she is stood up:

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What people like him don’t accept is that real COVID was the alternative to being vaccinated. Allowing that to ‘let rip’ would really have been a medical experiment.

 

[wingy]

Johnson who said ‘let the bodies pile high’?

Any government stimulus just goes to the capitalist anyway.

 

[wingy]

What people like him don’t accept is that real COVID was the alternative to being vaccinated.

I'm convinced I had it in that summer before it became a thing but I willingly had the vaccine and it has as far as I can tell done me any harm,yet , benefit haven't really had a cold as yet?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm convinced I had it in that summer before it became a thing but I willingly had the vaccine and it has as far as I can tell done me any harm,yet , benefit haven't really had a cold as yet?

There was a study of 20-30 million jabs that showed a statistically significant increase in the rate of cardiac incidents in those who had the jabs.

What it also showed was that increase was even larger in those who had actual COVID. If people want to argue that getting the real virus is better than getting an mRNA vaccine they can try, but it’s absurd.

It was one of the greatest modern scientific achievements of our time to produce effective vaccines so quickly.

 

[wingy]

India's finance minister sounds like she may suspend or not increase any duties on fuel,,has Rachel been paying attention?

 

[wingy]

There was a study of 20-30 million jabs that showed a statistically significant increase in the rate of cardiac incidents in those who had the jabs.

What it also showed was that increase was even larger in those who had actual COVID. If people want to argue that getting the real virus is better than getting an mRNA vaccine they can try, but it’s absurd.

It was one of the greatest modern scientific achievements of our time to produce effective vaccines so quickly

.Boris Johnston is the ginua pig for that.

Something went wrong with that.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

There was a study of 20-30 million jabs that showed a statistically significant increase in the rate of cardiac incidents in those who had the jabs.

My take on this is that a significant number of people had the virus with no symptoms. They said Covid affects the heart, theres every chance that it wasn't the vaccine directly but just a result of the virus. It was a superspreader.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My take on this is that a significant number of people had the virus with no symptoms. They said Covid affects the heart, theres every chance that it wasn't the vaccine directly but just a result of the virus. It was a superspreader.

Sure, but I think even if you say all those vaccine cases in the study did trigger heart problems, it remains that the virus itself triggered even more. Don’t need to give the conspiracists ammo on that one.

 

[wingy]

There was a study of 20-30 million jabs that showed a statistically significant increase in the rate of cardiac incidents in those who had the jabs.

What it also showed was that increase was even larger in those who had actual COVID. If people want to argue that getting the real virus is better than getting an mRNA vaccine they can try, but it’s absurd.

It was one of the greatest modern scientific achievements of our time to produce effective vaccines so quickly.

How did say Sweden fayre?

 

[fernandopartridge]

The economic situation in the UK is going to be incredibly grim over the next few months or years.
The prospects for businesses from April are bad enough with the increase in business rates due to hit, this will be compounded by greater inflation pressures.
Consumer spending will take a hit from the same inflationary pressures, especially as working people will be given no support to deal with increased energy bills.

 

[Grendel]

The economic situation in the UK is going to be incredibly grim over the next few months or years.
The prospects for businesses from April are bad enough with the increase in business rates due to hit, this will be compounded by greater inflation pressures.
Consumer spending will take a hit from the same inflationary pressures, especially as working people will be given no support to deal with increased energy bills.

one of our customers said they are closing in two months as they can’t afford to renew their lease as the rates are doubling

 

[chiefdave]

My take on this is that a significant number of people had the virus with no symptoms. They said Covid affects the heart, theres every chance that it wasn't the vaccine directly but just a result of the virus. It was a superspreader.

This is the thing a surprisingly large number of people seem to have failed to grasp. You could be perfectly healthy, get covid with zero symptoms, and it still have a long term impact.

A pro hockey player on the team I support got covid with the mildest of symptoms, pre-vaccines, and ended up with a two year fitness battle that resulted in him having to retire.

 

[Grendel]

This is the thing a surprisingly large number of people seem to have failed to grasp. You could be perfectly healthy, get covid with zero symptoms, and it still have a long term impact.

A pro hockey player on the team I support got covid with the mildest of symptoms, pre-vaccines, and ended up with a two year fitness battle that resulted in him having to retire.

As with people who had side effects from vaccines it’s still a very small percentage

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is the thing a surprisingly large number of people seem to have failed to grasp. You could be perfectly healthy, get covid with zero symptoms, and it still have a long term impact.

A pro hockey player on the team I support got covid with the mildest of symptoms, pre-vaccines, and ended up with a two year fitness battle that resulted in him having to retire.

What’s also worth remembering is the vaccines were being administered by humans having to give huge numbers a day. I’m sure some of the negative reactions could well come from how they were administered.

 

[fernandopartridge]

one of our customers said they are closing in two months as they can’t afford to renew their lease as the rates are doubling

The core underlying issue is the successive governments have practically encouraged investment into property both domestic and commercial.

This in turn has driven up rents which in turn drives up RV.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It is one of the worst things I have read in a while.

Girl gets put in care. Gang raped, likely by migrants who were in the same shared accommodation. Mental health services basically abandon her. She tries to kill herself. Becomes paralysed. Still don't help her, but then they offer to euthanise her instead and sell her organs for millions.

It is an absolute disgrace. That BBC headline can get to fuck as well.

Agree with everything apart from the bit in bold.

There's been nothing at all suggesting this so for you to just throw it in because it fits your narrative of what you want to believe about foreigners is at best distasteful, at worst disgraceful. If you want to know why people sometimes suggest you're a bit xenophobic and racist, this is why.

Or are we just 'not listening to people's concerns'

 

[PVA]

Agree with everything apart from the bit in bold.

There's been nothing at all suggesting this so for you to just throw it in because it fits your narrative of what you want to believe about foreigners is at best distasteful, at worst disgraceful. If you want to know why people sometimes suggest you're a bit xenophobic and racist, this is why.

Or are we just 'not listening to people's concerns'

It's disgusting, then to turn it on me saying my post was low.

Using a tragedy like that to push anti immigrant views is beyond grim, but unfortunately not surprising from him.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m sure this will disappoint some on here.

No evidence of 'family voting' in Gorton and Denton by-election

An investigation into alleged "family voting" finds no evidence of intent to influence voting.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[PVA]

I’m sure this will disappoint some on here.

No evidence of 'family voting' in Gorton and Denton by-election

An investigation into alleged "family voting" finds no evidence of intent to influence voting.

www.bbc.co.uk

Lol, there's a shock

Im sure those that went out to bat for Reform on this will be glad to admit they were wrong.

 

[Grendel]

The core underlying issue is the successive governments have practically encouraged investment into property both domestic and commercial.

This in turn has driven up rents which in turn drives up RV.

It is ridiculous- our lease is with the council. It was up for renewal in 2020 for business rates.

They didn’t review for 4 years due to home working via Covid and then wanted it doubled with back pay

I refused and employed a commercial negotiator. At one point they tried to blame me for not having a copy of the original lease or even the last negotiation from 2010 and claimed they’d “have to open the council vault to prove their case at significant cost” - So I told them to “open the vault”

Then some weasel told me I was being awkward and meet in the middle of my stance (no increase) and theirs (double increase) - I politely told him to fuck off.

Eventually they caved in at 30% with of course £15 grand back pay for the increased arrears - which I had to pay in 30 days or I’d be charged interest

I know people say dealing with fringe councils such as reform or green is awful but these guys are grade A fuckwits and I only managed to deal as I had reserves - some similar sized businesses would have gone bust

 

[Grendel]

Lol, there's a shock

Im sure those that went out to bat for Reform on this will be glad to admit they were wrong.

Who batted for Reform out of interest?

 

[Captain Dart]

What people like him don’t accept is that real COVID was the alternative to being vaccinated. Allowing that to ‘let rip’ would really have been a medical experiment.

Plenty of vaccinated people got covid. The IFR was similar to flu and mortality was largely confined to the elderly already in poor health.

As for the comment 'people like me' well people like you believe they are intellectually superior to most others and look down upon them.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Plenty of vaccinated people got covid. The IFR was similar to flu and mortality was largely confined to the elderly already in poor health.

As for the comment 'people like me' well people like you believe they are intellectually superior to most others and look down upon them.

And many of those vaccinated people that got covid survived whereas if they'd been unvaccinated and got covid they would not. Or at the very least would have got a very severe case that would have taken them a very long time to get over, if ever. For many having covid would have made other conditions they have more serious or fatal. How much strain would that have put the NHS under? And what do you think the economic effects of all that would have been with people long term unable to work and living off benefits?

Fact that you're still arguing about this is a reason why people think they're intellectually superior.

 

[wingy]

You can't really ignore Swedish numbers unless there is an agenda?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Plenty of vaccinated people got covid. The IFR was similar to flu and mortality was largely confined to the elderly already in poor health.

As for the comment 'people like me' well people like you believe they are intellectually superior to most others and look down upon them.

It’s actually the opposite, you sneer at people who spend their careers working on technology as though you think you know it better than they do. Then go further and say it’s a conspiracy.

No shock to see ‘Valley Boy’ agreeing.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Agree with everything apart from the bit in bold.

There's been nothing at all suggesting this so for you to just throw it in because it fits your narrative of what you want to believe about foreigners is at best distasteful, at worst disgraceful. If you want to know why people sometimes suggest you're a bit xenophobic and racist, this is why.

Or are we just 'not listening to people's concerns'

You are another very low human being.