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chiefdave

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Trump has put out a list of demands Iran has to meet to end the war:

No missile program for 5 years.
Zero uranium enrichment.
Decommissioning of nuclear reactors.
Arms control treaties with regional countries.
No financing for regional proxies.
Strict outside observation protocols around the creation and use of centrifuges.

Its a watered down version of JCPOA that Trump tore up.
 

PVA

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Trump at Friday's press gaggle:

At 12:03 PM, President Trump told reporters he wanted a ceasefire with Iran. At 12:05 he declared victory. At 12:07 he announced he was sending Marines. At 12:08 he said no boots on the ground. At 12:11 he said he did not want a ceasefire. At 12:16 he declared victory again. At 12:17 he asked for a ceasefire. At 12:23 he told NATO they were cowards. At 12:29 he said Iran was begging for a ceasefire. At 12:31 he said everything was perfect. At 12:36 he said $500 oil was a good thing. At 12:37 he demanded Iran open Hormuz. At 12:39 he said Hormuz was never closed. At 12:41 he said the US was not at war with Iran. At 12:42 he declared victory in Iran.
 

Ectemnius

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Trump at Friday's press gaggle:
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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I know many of you think that he's still being blindly supported, but it really isn't the case as much as you may think. All of my colleagues are Americans, and many of them Trump supporters. The overwhelming consensus is that he's lost the plot.

The decisions keep getting worse and he's scattergunning at everyone. Basically just making enemies left, right, and centre. If there was an election tomorrow, I doubt he would win. Then again, the Democrats are also an appalling voting option. If they had some sensible leadership they could wipe the floor with him. I won't hold my breath though.
 
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chiefdave

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No, he’s just all over the shop. It’s a shambles

It might work as some kind of strategy against more stable nations but it just seem to ratchet things up against Iran
One of the problems is most countries do, or at least should make some attempt to appear to have, due process and things like going to war are a major decision that can't just be made on a whim.

With how often he changes his mind he's created a situation where it's near impossible for other countries to support him. Starmer could spend all week justifying joining a war for Trump to walk away. When someone is that unpredictable you can't just blindly follow them in whatever course of action they are taking today.
 

chiefdave

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I know many of you think that he's still being blindly supported, but it really isn't the case as much as you may think. All of my colleagues are Americans, and many of them Trump supporters. The overwhelming consensus is that he's lost the plot.
Think I've mentioned before there's a chap bang in the middle of prime redneck territory who has a very similar gmail address to mine and clearly can't get his own right so I get a lot of his emails, including invites to Klan events!

I used to get a steady stream of properly out there MAGA stuff he'd signed up for. Now I'm getting get Trump out he's lost the plot type emails. To be fair they're equally bonkers but it's a big shift and if he's losing people like that you can't imagine he's got much support among the more moderate republicans.
 

PVA

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He made a big thing about 'no more foreign wars' didn't he.

That and high gas prices are going to turn a lot of people off him. Plus the Epstein stuff.

He's done and MAGA is slowly dying a death (specifically MAGA I mean, not the GOP in general).
 

CCFCSteve

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He made a big thing about 'no more foreign wars' didn't he.

That and high gas prices are going to turn a lot of people off him. Plus the Epstein stuff.

He's done and MAGA is slowly dying a death (specifically MAGA I mean, not the GOP in general).

Said at the start of the conflict this was the most bizarre move by Trump. ‘America first’ policy was suddenly ignored, petrol prices which were down significantly since he became president are now spiking and interest rates which were heading in the right direction and needed due to US $37trn debt (think around 1/4 needs refinancing this year) are now stuck, with an increase as likely as further cuts. This also means mortgage rates are creeping up again.

So he starts a war that pisses off both a large chunk of his base as well as floating voters a few months before the midterms. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Just heard a statement during drafting this that Trump has said he’s postponing strikes against Iran energy/power plants for 5 days as talks continue. Shambles ! But good news
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I know many of you think that he's still being blindly supported, but it really isn't the case as much as you may think. All of my colleagues are Americans, and many of them Trump supporters. The overwhelming consensus is that he's lost the plot.

The decisions keep getting worse and he's scattergunning at everyone. Basically just making enemies left, right, and centre. If there was an election tomorrow, I doubt he would win. Then again, the Democrats are also an appalling voting option. If they had some sensible leadership they could wipe the floor with him. I won't hold my breath though.
When those who ‘identify’ as MAGA are polled he has 100% support for attacking Iran. It’s a cult.

He has however lost the voters who believed his lies going into the election and now realise they’ve been hoodwinked.
 

CCFCSteve

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FTSE was down 2.25% and now up 0.4% in 5 mins. Oil which was up 3% now down 10%. Crazy times

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Ps many far more intelligent people than me think this possibly de-escalation has been forced by bond yields spiking. US 2 year had gone back over 4% and 10 yr had gone from 3.9% to 4.5% in the past 2 weeks. Idiots like Polanski will have people believe that markets/yields don’t matter, they do. When you’ve got trillions to refinance small moves can cost governments tens of billions per year more in borrowing costs.

Let’s hope for both economic and humanitarian reasons the whole thing settles down
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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The MAGA polling came out last week.

The number of former Trump voters who have angrily said ‘I didn’t vote for this’ is huge. I expect you don’t want to face up to having wanted him to win, which is understandable.

No, you just see what you want online and match the dots to hating Trump, without really applying any logic, or real world experience.

Unfortunately the democrats are so useless that there isn't really any serious competition at this point, which given how much of a gimp Trump is, is quite staggering.

They either need hope Trump does something more stupid, or put some better options forward.
 

wingy

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No, you just see what you want online and match the dots to hating Trump, without really applying any logic, or real world experience.

Unfortunately the democrats are so useless that there isn't really any serious competition at this point, which given how much of a gimp Trump is, is quite staggering.

They either need hope Trump does something more stupid, or put some better options forward.
They're quietly Complicit in the whole thing.
 

fernandopartridge

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Ps many far more intelligent people than me think this possibly de-escalation has been forced by bond yields spiking. US 2 year had gone back over 4% and 10 yr had gone from 3.9% to 4.5% in the past 2 weeks. Idiots like Polanski will have people believe that markets/yields don’t matter, they do. When you’ve got trillions to refinance small moves can cost governments tens of billions per year more in borrowing costs.

Let’s hope for both economic and humanitarian reasons the whole thing settles down

The USA can never run out of its own currency. It can pay any debt it owes in USD.
 

CCFCSteve

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The USA can never run out of its own currency. It can pay any debt it owes in USD.

Nobody has said they will run out of money. As we all know not only do they have their own currency, it remains (for now) the global reserve currency so they are in a stronger position than anyone when it comes to spending/borrowing/printing. But even they know that if they can’t service the interest on the debt they need to print more money, this debases the value of the currency/potentially increases inflation so everyone becomes poorer.
 

fernandopartridge

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Nobody has said they will run out of money. As we all know not only do they have their own currency, it remains (for now) the global reserve currency so they are in a stronger position than anyone when it comes to spending/borrowing/printing. But even they know that if they can’t service the interest on the debt they need to print more money, this debases the value of the currency/potentially increases inflation so everyone becomes poorer.
Inflation is driven by a shortage of resources not by the existence of money.
 

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