Transfer Rumour Jahnoah Markelo (16 Viewers)

Evo1883 · 2026-02-04T12:38:55+0000

Just added 5 seasons in a row from 22/23

Cant be arsed to do more

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:39:08+0000

Evo1883 said:
I dont think its entirely true though to say most seasons id have to see that for myself , a couple of recent seasons sure .. but i only had to go back to 22/23 to find 2 teams finished lower mid table

22/23:

1st Burnley (relegated 21/22 - a parachute club)
2nd Sheff Utd (relegated 20/21 - a parachute club)
3rd Luton (not a parachute club)

Top 3 66.67% parachute clubs.

Evo1883 · 2026-02-04T12:40:20+0000

shmmeee said:
22/23:

1st Burnley (relegated 21/22 - a parachute club)
2nd Sheff Utd (relegated 20/21 - a parachute club)
3rd Luton (not a parachute club)

Top 3 66.67% parachute clubs.

So you basically give them 3 seasons to go back up , rather than the argument that they are going straight back up which they havent all been

Ive shown clearly the immediate season after relagtion parachute clubs have not been dominating the divisions top spots .

So this season is not that different

David O'Day · 2026-02-04T12:40:41+0000

shmmeee has very much

shmmeee said:
22/23:

1st Burnley (relegated 21/22 - a parachute club)
2nd Sheff Utd (relegated 20/21 - a parachute club)
3rd Luton (not a parachute club)

Top 3 66.67% parachute clubs.

33% seemingly didn't get promoted the first season they were relegated from the PL

Ccfcisparks · 2026-02-04T12:41:17+0000

Evo1883 said:
So you basically give them 3 seasons to go back up , rather than the argument that they are going straight back up which they havent all been

Yes the argument I thought was about going straight back up. Seems to me the goalposts have been moved.

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:41:48+0000

Evo1883 said:
21/22 - fulham 1st sheffield united 5th west brom 10th

20/21- 1st 2nd 6th

19/20 - 4th 5th 18th

18/19 - 4th 10th 16th

21/22:
1st Fulham - relegated 20/21 (parachute club)
2nd Bournemouth - relegated 19/20 (parachute club)
3rd Huddersfield - relegated 18/19 (parachute club)

Top 3 100% parachute clubs

What are we doing here man?

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:42:12+0000

Evo1883 said:
So you basically give them 3 seasons to go back up , rather than the argument that they are going straight back up which they havent all been

Ive shown clearly the immediate season after relagtion parachute clubs have not been dominating the divisions top spots .

So this season is not that different

Parachute club = a club receiving parachute payments.

Evo1883 · 2026-02-04T12:42:43+0000

shmmeee said:
21/22:
1st Fulham - relegated 20/21 (parachute club)
2nd Bournemouth - relegated 19/20 (parachute club)
3rd Huddersfield - relegated 18/19 (parachute club)

Top 3 100% parachute clubs

What are we doing here man?

My argument is clear , parachute clubs are not being relegated and being promoted straight after every year . Making this season pretty normal

Ive not diverted from that

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:42:55+0000

I can’t be arsed to keep going back but yes you got me guys if you work out something else entirely to what I said I was wrong. Good one.

David O'Day · 2026-02-04T12:43:09+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
Yes the argument I thought was about going straight back up. Seems to me the goalposts have been moved.

He can't even see the goalposts anymore.

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:43:17+0000

Evo1883 said:
My argument is clear , parachute clubs are not being relegated and being promoted straight after every year . Making this season pretty normal

Ive not diverted from that

OK well that’s not my argument so congrats I guess?

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:46:29+0000

shmmeee said:
I would argue we’re only top of the table for now and because the parachute teams are all having bad seasons.

In case you all can’t work the page buttons on here to actually read what was said.

Evo1883 · 2026-02-04T12:47:17+0000

shmmeee said:
OK well that’s not my argument so congrats I guess?

Ok fair enough , i guess over a 3 year period after relegation , promoted teams have recieved parachute payments

Evo1883 · 2026-02-04T12:48:20+0000

shmmeee said:
In case you all can’t work the page buttons on here to actually read what was said.

Sure but im not entirely sure you meant all the teams relegated in the last 3 years .

Im pretty positive you didnt mean that

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:48:46+0000

Evo1883 said:
Ok fair enough , i guess over a 3 year period after relegation , promoted teams have recieved parachute payments

Yes? That is how parachute payments work. The point all along is that money talks in this division and we’ve spent more than most who haven’t recently been PL teams and are receiving extra cash.

Ccfcisparks · 2026-02-04T12:48:51+0000

Evo1883 said:
Sure but im not entirely sure you meant all the teams relegated in the last 3 years .

Im pretty positive you didnt mean that

I bet you he did... according to him after the fact.

Ccfcisparks · 2026-02-04T12:49:06+0000

shmmeee said:
Yes? That is how parachute payments work. The point all along is that money talks in this division and we’ve spent more than most who haven’t recently been PL teams and are receiving extra cash.

Stoke?

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:49:27+0000

Evo1883 said:
Sure but im not entirely sure you meant all the teams relegated in the last 3 years .

Im pretty positive you didnt mean that

Why would I not mean that other than you decided I didn’t? I have been talking about finances all along. Just admit you thought you’d get on a bandwagon of morons and didn’t read properly.

Sky Blue Goblin · 2026-02-04T12:49:45+0000

I struggle to keep track of this place sometimes

Grendel · 2026-02-04T12:49:47+0000

shmmeee said:
Yes? That is how parachute payments work. The point all along is that money talks in this division and we’ve spent more than most who haven’t recently been PL teams and are receiving extra cash.

we aren’t spending more than most you clown

Grendel · 2026-02-04T12:50:52+0000

shmmeee said:
Why would I not mean that other than you decided I didn’t? I have been talking about finances all along. Just admit you thought you’d get on a bandwagon of morons and didn’t read properly.

Your financial knowledge is on par with your data analyst skills - I’ll give you that

Evo1883 · 2026-02-04T12:51:19+0000

shmmeee said:
Why would I not mean that other than you decided I didn’t? I have been talking about finances all along. Just admit you thought you’d get on a bandwagon of morons and didn’t read properly.

Ok i didnt read it properly , i just assumed like the vast majority you were talking about leicester , ipswich and southampton

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:52:55+0000

Evo1883 said:
Ok i didnt read it properly , i just assumed like the vast majority you were talking about leicester , ipswich and southampton

I mean what I say. If I meant relegated clubs I’d have said relegated clubs. I didn’t I said parachute club because that’s what I meant and I don’t know any other word for them.

Ccfcisparks · 2026-02-04T12:54:05+0000

shmmeee said:
I mean what I say. If I meant relegated clubs I’d have said relegated clubs. I didn’t I said parachute club because that’s what I meant and I don’t know any other word for them.

Stoke have more spend than us recently

Evo1883 · 2026-02-04T12:54:18+0000

shmmeee said:
I mean what I say. If I meant relegated clubs I’d have said relegated clubs. I didn’t I said parachute club because that’s what I meant and I don’t know any other word for them.

Do you have the data from 2002 to show how many parachute clubs havent been promoted within 3 years so we can clear this argument up

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T12:55:16+0000

Evo1883 said:
Do you have the data from 2002 to show how many parachite clubs havent been promoted within 3 years so we can clear this argument up

Luckily for you I really don’t fancy my current Jira ticket so I can get that for you. Give me a min, but are we really disputing whether money matters in football?

Evo1883 · 2026-02-04T12:56:52+0000

shmmeee said:
Luckily for you I really don’t fancy my current Jira ticket so I can get that for you. Give me a min, but are we really disputing whether money matters in football?

No , im actually genuinely intrigued

Grendel · 2026-02-04T12:57:33+0000

Evo1883 said:
Do you have the data from 2002 to show how many parachute clubs havent been promoted within 3 years so we can clear this argument up

The other point is the statistical probability of getting promoted for these teams diminishes rapidly after season one and definitely season two. By then payments are used to cushion losses and mass player exodus. I don’t even think at this stage of the season many teams would have been on many more points than us or middlesborough

usskyblue · 2026-02-04T12:58:23+0000

Otis · 2026-02-04T12:59:38+0000

David O'Day said:
He can't even see the goalposts anymore.

I wish our strikers could

Evo1883 · 2026-02-04T13:00:40+0000

Grendel said:
The other point is the statistical probability of getting promoted for these teams diminishes rapidly after season one and definitely season two. By then payments are used to cushion losses and mass player exodus. I don’t even think at this stage of the season many teams would have been on many more points than us or middlesborough

I dont think we are doing well just because parachite clubs cant sorr their shit out

The way football is financially we will see more and more clubs struggle to bounce straight back over the coming years as they overspend to stay in the division above

SeaSeeEffCee · 2026-02-04T13:01:41+0000

tbf Ipswich are the only team not receiving parachute payments to be automatically promoted in the last 5 or 6 seasons I believe. Play-offs is more of an equaliser. If two of us, Middlesbrough and Hull go up automatically it would be the first time in a while that no team in recipient of parachute payments has got promoted automatically. It is a bit of a stain on the league.

Otis · 2026-02-04T13:01:44+0000

So what we most looking forward to, his pace or his dribbles?

That's Markelo I am talking about, not Shmmeee

wingy · 2026-02-04T13:07:30+0000

So are we saying parachute payments=good?

shmmeee · 2026-02-04T13:12:25+0000

Evo1883 said:
No , im actually genuinely intrigued

From Gemini, because I'm not that bored:

Season	Top 3 Clubs (League Table)	Parachute Status (Y/N)	% In Receipt
2004/05	Sunderland, Wigan, Ipswich	N, N, N	0%
2005/06	Reading, Sheff Utd, Watford	N, N, N	0%
2006/07	Sunderland, Birmingham, Derby	Y, Y, N	66%
2007/08	West Brom, Stoke, Hull	Y, N, N	33%
2008/09	Wolves, Birmingham, Sheff Utd	N, Y, Y	66%
2009/10	Newcastle, West Brom, Nottm Forest	Y, Y, N	66%
2010/11	QPR, Norwich, Swansea	N, N, N	0%
2011/12	Reading, Southampton, West Ham	N, N, Y	33%
2012/13	Cardiff, Hull, Watford	N, Y, N	33%
2013/14	Leicester, Burnley, Derby	N, Y, N	33%
2014/15	Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich	N, N, Y	33%
2015/16	Burnley, Middlesbrough, Brighton	Y, N, N	33%
2016/17	Newcastle, Brighton, Reading	Y, N, Y	66%
2017/18	Wolves, Cardiff, Fulham	N, Y, Y	66%
2018/19	Norwich, Sheff Utd, Leeds	Y, N, N	33%
2019/20	Leeds, West Brom, Brentford	N, Y, N	33%
2020/21	Norwich, Watford, Brentford	Y, Y, N	66%
2021/22	Fulham, Bournemouth, Huddersfield	Y, Y, Y	100%
2022/23	Burnley, Sheff Utd, Luton	Y, Y, N	66%
2023/24	Leicester, Ipswich, Leeds	Y, N, Y	66%
2024/25	Leeds, Burnley, Sheff Utd	Y, Y, Y	100%

So 7/10 of the last 10 years. 3/10 the ten before that the top 3 were mostly clubs receiving extra cash. 5/5 last 5 years.

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