25/26 January Transfer Window (116 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Thought I’d have a look on Sheffields forums to see if there was rumours on there.

Only find I could find was someone saying a championship big hitter was looking at £12 million for Hamer and Burrows. Probably absolute shite but fun to think about

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

Hamer can obviously play alongside Grimes? He played mostly in a 2 behind an attacking mid for us?

That was 3-5 seasons ago, he’s a different player and all you have to do is look at his output. Defensively, his numbers are declining so I have my

Stylistically, we’re a very different team to the 22/23 outfit. We packed the box with 3 CBs and 2 AMs ahead of the CMs a lot of the time.

Hamer is one of the players in the league when he’s in form, imo it doesn’t seem like a good fit for us unless we’re planning to change tactics.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

That was 3-5 seasons ago, he’s a different player and all you have to do is look at his output. Defensively, his numbers are declining so I have my

Stylistically, we’re a very different team to the 22/23 outfit. We packed the box with 3 CBs and 2 AMs ahead of the CMs a lot of the time.

Hamer is one of the players in the league when he’s in form, imo it doesn’t seem like a good fit for us unless we’re planning to change tactics.

Silly question with his defence numbers could this reflect him in part playing on the left wing and not in the centre of the pitch?

Clearly unfit as well but that seems to be the case for the entire United squad

 

[Shannerz]

The fitness issues are real. He was unable to complete 90 mins in two Wembley play off finals and - arguably - both incidents resulted in his team losing the final. Since the start of this season his physical appearance has seemed less athletic and clubs will know all about his rumoured refuelling habits.

Wasn't a stamina issue for us; he got injured. Though I don't think this changes what you're saying.

Fitness issues are recent, though, and perhaps because he's allowed to get away with it more at Sheffield United.

 

[skybluecam]

That was 3-5 seasons ago, he’s a different player and all you have to do is look at his output. Defensively, his numbers are declining so I have my

Stylistically, we’re a very different team to the 22/23 outfit. We packed the box with 3 CBs and 2 AMs ahead of the CMs a lot of the time.

Hamer is one of the players in the league when he’s in form, imo it doesn’t seem like a good fit for us unless we’re planning to change tactics.

He’s been playing mostly out wide for Sheff Utd (a ridiculous decision btw) so of course his defensive numbers won’t be the same. Doesn’t mean he’s lost the ability to do it.

 

[CovValleyBoy]

I can't see Doug King allowing Hamer back into the club. Personally I would be chuffed if a fit Gus returned.

 

[Shannerz]

He’s been playing mostly out wide for Sheff Utd (a ridiculous decision btw) so of course his defensive numbers won’t be the same. Doesn’t mean he’s lost the ability to do it.

No-one doubts his ability; the question is does he have the stamina to do it?

 

[TomRad85]

Thought I’d have a look on Sheffields forums to see if there was rumours on there.

Only find I could find was someone saying a championship big hitter was looking at £12 million for Hamer and Burrows. Probably absolute shite but fun to think about

I like Burrows personally. Especially if you like your fullbacks to get forward, which we do.

 

[skybluecam]

I can't see Doug King allowing Hamer back into the club. Personally I would be chuffed if a fit Gus returned.

Saddle claims Doug is keen as it would be seen as a coup.

I think Doug would love the optics of us buying him back at a steep discount on our selling price while top of the league while they’re 17th. Basically the ultimate validation of his decision making over the last 2 seasons.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I like Burrows personally. Especially if you like your fullbacks to get forward, which we do.

I don’t mind burrows but worry about his defensive numbers. Much better as a wingback than a fullback imo

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Because good tho he was in a pisspoor team, he wasn’t good enough to make the difference and keep them up.

The following year Ipswich gambled on loaning Kalvin Phillips rather than signing Hamer.
His subsequent performance in the championship only served to reinforce the point that the best player of the division wasn’t enough to get his team promoted.

The fitness issues are real. He was unable to complete 90 mins in two Wembley play off finals and - arguably - both incidents resulted in his team losing the final. Since the start of this season his physical appearance has seemed less athletic and clubs will know all about his rumoured refuelling habits.

In fairness, he got injured in our playoff final but the rest of this is valid.

He's a great Championship player but if we're actually serious about staying up, he probably isn't going to be a starter. I do think a lot of posters on here have a hyper-idealised view of him as a player because he was great for us. He did well in the Prem, but there's a reason Prem teams passed on him and the rumours of his off the field shenanigans have persisted.

Silly question with his defence numbers could this reflect him in part playing on the left wing and not in the centre of the pitch?

Clearly unfit as well but that seems to be the case for the entire United squad

It's benchmarked against other AMs and his numbers are way behind Rudoni's with the exception of interceptions. Him playing further forward is a symptom rather than a cause of his defensive output that's behind most CMs.

Posters have been expressing concern of how 'open we've been' in recent games yet want to put Hamer next Grimes who hasn't really played CM since the Prem years. Hamer would never have to cover the same amount of ground as Torp/Eccles would back in 22/23 because our shape was a lot more compact defensively.

He’s been playing mostly out wide for Sheff Utd (a ridiculous decision btw) so of course his defensive numbers won’t be the same. Doesn’t mean he’s lost the ability to do it.

Hamer's defensive numbers are behind Rudoni, Eccles, Torp, Grimes and Allen. If we sign him, he won't be playing CM and those numbers aren't because he's playing LW, looking back at his historical data does not corroborate your point at all.

The reality is, playing AM/LW is probably his best position now because he has a freer role doing the things he's best at.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

I'm hit or miss on Gus to be honest.

I've never been a fan of players coming back or us having players for a 2nd stint etc.

However, if Hamer went to Ipswich, Boro or one of the other teams in the top half, I'd be thinking 'huh...decent signing that'.

 

[Winny the Bish]

I like Burrows personally. Especially if you like your fullbacks to get forward, which we do.

He doesn't start regularly for Sheffield United anymore, does he?

 

[Grendel]

Last season Sheff Utd would’ve been reluctant to sell and he had plenty to run on his contract.

This season he’s out of favour and has questions over fitness.

He had a release clause in his contract last season?

 

[CovValleyBoy]

Saddle claims Doug is keen as it would be seen as a coup.

I think Doug would love the optics of us buying him back at a steep discount on our selling price while top of the league while they’re 17th. Basically the ultimate validation of his decision making over the last 2 seasons.

Ok I missed that from Saddle.
Delighted if my instinct was wrong.

 

[skybluecam]

In fairness, he got injured in our playoff final but the rest of this is valid.

He's a great Championship player but if we're actually serious about staying up, he probably isn't going to be a starter. I do think a lot of posters on here have a hyper-idealised view of him as a player because he was great for us. He did well in the Prem, but there's a reason Prem teams passed on him and the rumours of his off the field shenanigans have persisted.


It's benchmarked against other AMs and his numbers are way behind Rudoni's with the exception of interceptions. Him playing further forward is a symptom rather than a cause of his defensive output that's behind most CMs.

Posters have been expressing concern of how 'open we've been' in recent games yet want to put Hamer next Grimes who hasn't really played CM since the Prem years. Hamer would never have to cover the same amount of ground as Torp/Eccles would back in 22/23 because our shape was a lot more compact defensively.


Hamer's defensive numbers are behind Rudoni, Eccles, Torp, Grimes and Allen. If we sign him, he won't be playing CM and those numbers aren't because he's playing LW, looking back at his historical data does not corroborate your point at all.

The reality is, playing AM/LW is probably his best position now because he has a freer role doing the things he's best at.

What are these defensive numbers then

 

[skybluecam]

He had a release clause in his contract last season?

How much was it for?

 

[TomRad85]

He doesn't start regularly for Sheffield United anymore, does he?

Nor does Hamer atm and looking at it he's actually played more minutes than McCallum, so yes i guess he still does start a bit. Aside from that, like Hamer, he was a top performer for them last season.

 

[Kingokings204]

Wouldn’t it show the progress though? Doug being Doug would be like now we can take your players and we are going forward. Not Sheffield united

let’s all be honest hamer would be a fantastic signing regardless of what’s gone on before.

 

[SkyBlueBarmy84]

I would assume we’re due a stage payment from SU for Hamer, which has prompted the enquiry - i.e. “rather than pay us money that you owe us - and don’t have / want to spend - why don’t we knock it off your valuation”

On that basis, I think that would be good / smart business - as long as their valuation isn’t inflated, particularly given he is soon to be out of contract (and is currently out of favour).

 

[Para1140]

TBF to Hamer though he wasn't a fat knacker while he was here and was probably one of the fittest players at the club. If he did come back under Lampard and Chris Jones I'd be hopeful he'd rediscover that. It seems like there is a bit of indiscipline at Sheffield Utd, Campbell up front is similar.

Utd have a thread running at the moment about Hamer. Reading several of the posts there seems to be a lot of talk about the old school attitude to training and lifestyle since Wilder came in. Under the previous regime it appears they tried to bring in a more strict professional training and lifestyle that was shunned by some of the senior Pros at the club following Wilder leaving and they rebelled against Selles
since Wilder has returned it appears he has gone back to the old regime and players are back to the same old lifestyle

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

What are these defensive numbers then

For reference, this is FotMob. Jamie Allen v Hamer and the picture is consistent compared to Eccles, Rudoni, Grimes and Torp who all beat him on all but 1-2 metrics.

Hamer, to be fair, is in the top 10% of AMs for ‘possession won final 3rd’.

 

[Para1140]

If we could get Bannan and he was willing to come here on the basis of till the end of the season I think he would be a better fit to revolve with Grimes to rest him or he gets injured. Still a quality player but no where near what we need if we go up so I cant see him agreeing to come here for a few months

 

[skybluecam]

For reference, this is FotMob. Jamie Allen v Hamer and the picture is consistent compared to Eccles, Rudoni, Grimes and Torp who all beat him on all but 1-2 metrics.

Hamer, to be fair, is in the top 10% of AMs for ‘possession won final 3rd’.

Clearances, headed clearances, interceptions- you’re not making many of those on the wing whoever you are…

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

For reference, this is FotMob. Jamie Allen v Hamer and the picture is consistent compared to Eccles, Rudoni, Grimes and Torp who all beat him on all but 1-2 metrics.

Hamer, to be fair, is in the top 10% of AMs for ‘possession won final 3rd’.

Thought to compare him to EMC, where it’s a lot more similar.



It’s an interesting one. Because having a look at his 24/25 stats, his defensive numbers were much better and more in line with the players this season in cm. Less confident mind reviewing his stats for this year

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Thought to compare him to EMC, where it’s a lot more similar.

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It’s an interesting one. Because having a look at his 24/25 stats, his defensive numbers were much better and more in line with the players this season in cm. Less confident mind reviewing his stats for this year

If we were on about playing him LW or RW, then it’s a fair comment to make.

Presumably, we’d find a way to make Hamer work if we signed him but I’m struggling to see where we immediately put him. For me, it’s not so clear that’s a good fit for the team at present. Next season however, we need the squad to be 2 players deep with each position.

Tactically, we’re also not going as ball dominant and high pressing if we were to go up so perhaps there’s a long term plan. Right now, he’s just not going to play CM alongside Grimes where he has to cover a lot of ground that he hasn’t had to do in 2-3 (possibly more) seasons without significant tactical changes.

 

[skybluecam]

If we could get Bannon and he was willing to come here on the basis of till the end of the season I think he would be a better fit to revolve with Grimes to rest him or he gets injured. Still a quality player but no where near what we need if we go up so I cant see him agreeing to come here for a few months

Isn’t he busy undermining democracy and such?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Clearances, headed clearances, interceptions- you’re not making many of those on the wing whoever you are…

Right, if you bothered to check his historical data, it’s comparable to when he actually played CM. Hamer hasn’t really played much CM since the Prem days and there’s a good reason for that.

Besides, whatever the interpretation, the idea that Hamer is going to play CM and cover as much ground as Torp and Eccles is fanciful. That was never his game even at his peak with us.

 

[Marty]

Dream signing. I think Watford probably hold tight until the summer though tbh.

We need to be getting involved at that sort of money.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Ipswich signing mehmeti and going after louza, meanwhile we seem to be not spending a penny! Surely Doug’s biggest admirers have to start getting concerned

 

[TomRad85]

We need to be getting involved at that sort of money.

I don't believe the source and I don't think Watford would sell right now. If we were competing with Ipswich I think they blow us out of the water with wages anyway.

 

[Chris1987]

Ipswich signing mehmeti and going after louza, meanwhile we seem to be not spending a penny! Surely Doug’s biggest admirers have to start getting concerned

Not that parachute money makes any difference at all

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Not that parachute money makes any difference at all

Stop using that excuse ffs, we haven’t spent a penny and we’re top of the league. We are crying out for a ball winning midfielder, It won’t bankrupt the club like all you bedwetters claim all the time

 

[shmmeee]

Hamer has been playing further forward in the Championship at Sheff U. For the nostalgia and clear Championship quality, it’s a no brainer. If it’s on, why not?

However, if anyone thinks we’re putting Hamer alongside Grimes at CM playing as we do… I’ve got bridge to sell them. Rudoni’s defensive numbers are much stronger and I wouldn’t put him at CM.

A player like Matisuwa is what this team needs at that CM role and Onyeka is good profile for this position. Ideally, I’d love to pick up a younger player than him but he’s a player that’ll come in, be a league leading player and be able to be a good squad in the Prem.

I just think if you’re losing Torps forward attributes and replacing them with a pure destroyer with no attacking ability you’re going to have a bad time.

 

[Deity]

Ipswich signing mehmeti and going after louza, meanwhile we seem to be not spending a penny! Surely Doug’s biggest admirers have to start getting concerned

Have you heard of parachute payments ? Are you aware of the income they generated from player sales in the summer ?

If not maybe have a look ….