Do you want to discuss boring politics? (26 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yesterday there were 2 people standing on a bridge above the M1 holding a flag on a pole over the bridge. Drove back an hour later and they were still there.

Welfare acroungers

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

I agree, and i think we all hope to see some progress. I hope we do, because surely this shit sandwich we all have to swallow whilst paying our taxes for every month cant get worse. Can it?

What are you so frustrated about and what were you expecting?

then what on earth do you think reform offer!!! Wow

 

[David O'Day]

Have you read what he posted? because that's not all it said. Have a look, lemme know if you feel different.

It's Dom, facts and him are at best in a long distance relationship.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What law has this government brought in to make this happen? Or is the already existing laws that are used and you want to just say "starmers UK".

Genuine question.

You must be the only starmer defender I know, what makes you like him and back him? It’s a serious question so try and avoid the swearing and ranting. I’m genuinely interested as to why you defend everything he does

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

It's Dom, facts and him are at best in a long distance relationship.

Good one, trying to insult someone and failing miserably on an off topic football forum is a good look though, Might get you a few likes

 

[Evo1883]

Seems to be very little support for this ID .. not sure why some seem so keen

 

[David O'Day]

You must be the only starmer defender I know, what makes you like him and back him? It’s a serious question so try and avoid the swearing and ranting. I’m genuinely interested as to why you defend everything he does

I don't defend everything he does and you seem to know very little people.

Care to answer Matt's question about how you feel now you know it wasn't just fuck hamas but also included fuck islam and basially muslims out

 

[Evo1883]

The weirdest thing about starmer is .. is that he seems hell bent on doing everything that pisses people off ? Its a strange strategy that will set Labour back 20 years again with the electorate

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He's using illegal immigration as an excuse to get it through though and people dont trust him.

He should be spedning his time on stopping them getting in here if he really cared. The bloke is hated by almost everybody.

Is this the Marxism shit people are peddling
He is as far from left wing as it’s possible to be for a Labour leader and he’s still described as a Marxist you can’t make the shit up

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I don't defend everything he does and you seem to know very little people.

Care to answer Matt's question about how you feel now you know it wasn't just fuck hamas but also included fuck islam and basially muslims out

You do defend everything he does, start swearing and abusing people that then point it out

Didn’t see that bit but yeah that bit is bad, the fuck Hamas bit isn’t though as you know they are a terrorist organisation.

Very few little people? Makes sense that, don’t know that many little people tbh

 

[David O'Day]

Good one, trying to insult someone and failing miserably on an off topic football forum is a good look though, Might get you a few likes

Not an insult, just pointing out the facts. You hadn't actually found all the information before you dived in.

Now you know what he actually said do you still think it's ok.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Not an insult, just pointing out the facts. You hadn't actually found all the information before you dived in.

Now you know what he actually said do you still think it's ok.

Answered it on the pervious post saying it’s bad, so don’t get why your still trying to make a point of it

 

[David O'Day]

The weirdest thing about starmer is .. is that he seems hell bent on doing everything that pisses people off ? Its a strange strategy that will set Labour back 20 years again with the electorate

Nah, they won't give a fuck come 2029 if the economy is seeming to get better.

People said Cameron was doing things that would will the Tories off for a generation and they still won they next few elections.

The average population has a limited political memory.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Nah, they won't give a fuck come 2029 if the economy is seeming to get better.

People said Cameron was doing things that would will the Tories off for a generation and they still won they next few elections.

The average population has a limited political memory.

It will be an absolute miracle if they get voted in again the way things are currently going, even the most hardcore labour voter will probably agree

 

[Evo1883]

Nah, they won't give a fuck come 2029 if the economy is seeming to get better.

People said Cameron was doing things that would will the Tories off for a generation and they still won they next few elections.

The average population has a limited political memory.

Il be very surprised if he gets another term .. very very surprised everybody thinks hes a c**t

 

[PVA]

Seems to be very little support for this ID .. not sure why some seem so keen

The public have been very much in favour of ID cards for years.

Not sure if it's a minority just making all the noise right now, but yeah general consensus has been UK public is in favour.

 

[David O'Day]

Answered it on the pervious post saying it’s bad, so don’t get why your still trying to make a point of it

Because it's what you normally do, you misunderstand or don't read something and dive in.

The post where you called me a "starmer defender" was asking what laws the Starmer administration had brought in that led to that person being arrested. The answer by the way is none as it would be none as it is likely they acted under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 which as you can guess by the name is 19 years old and was implemented before Starmer was even an MP.

You can't just blame Starmer for everything.

 

[PVA]

Just to back that up:

Britons support ID cards, CCTV monitoring and fingerprint database | YouGov

Support for security measures has, however, dropped over the last five years

yougov.co.uk

Support for the introduction of a system of national identity cards in the UK

Would you support or oppose the introduction of a system of national identity cards in Britain?

yougov.co.uk

 

[Evo1883]

The public have been very much in favour of ID cards for years.

Not sure if it's a minority just making all the noise right now, but yeah general consensus has been UK public is in favour.

Could be loud noise .. not spoke to anybody who seems to be in favour.. apart from on here .

 

[Nick]

Just to back that up:

Britons support ID cards, CCTV monitoring and fingerprint database | YouGov

Support for security measures has, however, dropped over the last five years

yougov.co.uk

Support for the introduction of a system of national identity cards in the UK

Would you support or oppose the introduction of a system of national identity cards in Britain?

yougov.co.uk

Another one obsessed with yougov?

 

[David O'Day]

Just to back that up:

Britons support ID cards, CCTV monitoring and fingerprint database | YouGov

Support for security measures has, however, dropped over the last five years

yougov.co.uk

Support for the introduction of a system of national identity cards in the UK

Would you support or oppose the introduction of a system of national identity cards in Britain?

yougov.co.uk

Ipsos also back that up

57% of Britons support national ID card scheme, but have significant concerns over data security and implementation

Over half (57%) of Britons support the introduction of national ID cards, with support highest among Conservative voters and those over 55. Convenience and preventing illegal immigration most popular reasons for support, while concerns around data privacy drive opposition.

www.ipsos.com

With support over 50% in all age ages including surprisingly 16-35

 

[Evo1883]

Another one obsessed with yougov?

Yea its not always reliable

EU referendum: Remain lead at four | YouGov

Latest YouGov / Times EU referendum voting intention: Remain 44%, Leave 40%, Would not vote 3%, Don't know 12%

yougov.co.uk

 

[David O'Day]

Yea its not always reliable

EU referendum: Remain lead at four | YouGov

Latest YouGov / Times EU referendum voting intention: Remain 44%, Leave 40%, Would not vote 3%, Don't know 12%

yougov.co.uk

Ipsos?

57% of Britons support national ID card scheme, but have significant concerns over data security and implementation

Over half (57%) of Britons support the introduction of national ID cards, with support highest among Conservative voters and those over 55. Convenience and preventing illegal immigration most popular reasons for support, while concerns around data privacy drive opposition.

www.ipsos.com

 

[fernandopartridge]

Because it's what you normally do, you misunderstand or don't read something and dive in.

The post where you called me a "starmer defender" was asking what laws the Starmer administration had brought in that led to that person being arrested. The answer by the way is none as it would be none as it is likely they acted under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 which as you can guess by the name is 19 years old and was implemented before Starmer was even an MP.

You can't just blame Starmer for everything.

TBF it isn't even laws that are the issue, it's the police interpretation of them. That law allows criticism of religion.

 

[Evo1883]

Ipsos?

57% of Britons support national ID card scheme, but have significant concerns over data security and implementation

Over half (57%) of Britons support the introduction of national ID cards, with support highest among Conservative voters and those over 55. Convenience and preventing illegal immigration most popular reasons for support, while concerns around data privacy drive opposition.

www.ipsos.com

Im not sure any poll is 100% reliable is it

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What are you so frustrated about and what were you expecting?

then what on earth do you think reform offer!!! Wow

Tbh with the opinions you have, whoever votes for the party you dislike the most is a normal human being. Definitely have you down as a Lib Dem or Green guy which is utterly bizarre

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think people are very much pro the introduction of eg ID cards as long as it isn't for them

 

[PVA]

Another one obsessed with yougov?

Posting a few links to illustrate my point makes me obsessed?

 

[David O'Day]

TBF it isn't even laws that are the issue, it's the police interpretation of them. That law allows criticism of religion.

yep, does stop that being seemingly Starmers fault although I can why the police acted when you see the whole message and to be fair so does the guy himself as he is trying to pretend all he said was "fuck hamas".

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Ipsos?

57% of Britons support national ID card scheme, but have significant concerns over data security and implementation

Over half (57%) of Britons support the introduction of national ID cards, with support highest among Conservative voters and those over 55. Convenience and preventing illegal immigration most popular reasons for support, while concerns around data privacy drive opposition.

www.ipsos.com

No poll is ever massively reliable tbh regardless of the situation. I’m not even that arsed about this ID thing either, just think it’s pointless

 

[fernandopartridge]

yep, does stop that being seemingly Starmers fault although I can why the police acted when you see the whole message and to be fair so does the guy himself as he is trying to pretend all he said was "fuck hamas".

I know, I saw afterwards it was Peter North. He knows what he's doing

 

[David O'Day]

No poll is ever massively reliable tbh regardless of the situation. I’m not even that arsed about this ID thing either, just think it’s pointless

No but when all the polls seem to be leaning in the same direction it is usually a good indication of opinion.

 

[PVA]

I think people are very much pro the introduction of eg ID cards as long as it isn't for them

Yes I think this is it.

'We should introduce ID cards so we know what criminals and forrins are up to'
'Here you go then'
'I don't bloody want one, what an invasion of privacy!'

 

[Evo1883]

Yes I think this is it.

'We should introduce ID cards so we know what criminals and forrins are up to'
'Here you go then'
'I don't bloody want one, what an invasion of privacy!'

I agree

 

[PVA]

Im not sure any poll is 100% reliable is it

Obviously not, it's an indication of public opinion, that's it.